Liberals now buying guns

[theeedude]

Liberals should now embrace the second amendment, and not just the second part of it. The "security of a free state" part may become more relevant.

 

[momeNt]

I don't see why a political opinion has to follow a personal choice. I could see a situation where someone could chose to have a gun for their own safety due their high saturation in American society, yet be for gun control in hopes one day they won't need a gun.

I guess I shouldn't fault their motives, the violent crime rates in large cities ostensibly wasn't enough of a reason to own a gun, that much is a fact plain and simple.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So the levels of violence in their immediate proximity didn't phase them enough to purchase a gun, it was simply enough to support gun control. Now Trump's hate campaign has them fearing for their safety enough to drop gun control rhetoric and purchase a gun?

You act like it's far fetched. It's really not.

Those kind of Trump supporters aren't where they are. As the article said, the LGBT saw something on the news in a rural town, knows they live in safety, yet purchased a gun. What do they expect? A the militia of Alabama to come to New York to start checking if born sex matches current sex?

I'm not sure that adds up.

You don't know what they're each going through on a day to day basis. Pretending like you do is nonsense.

Try a math class.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, I hate Christians, I love gays, and I have lots of guns.

But I've been buying them for years, so......

 

[ch33zw1z]

Liberals should now embrace the second amendment, and not just the second part of it. The "security of a free state" part may become more relevant.

Yep, that's what anyone who wants liberty and justice for all is in fear of now.

 

[Blackjack200]

It's kind of paradoxical when you say it that way. Minorities and LGBT wanted gun control in the same basic areas that they generally populate (large cities where gun crime is most prevalent) but never once feared for their personal safety enough to buy a gun. But now that they are afraid of Trump's America they want guns? Why not just want more gun control?

I can't even get my head around that.

I don't personally agree that buying a gun is the rational thing to do in their shoes. I just find it upsetting rather than encouraging that people are feeling threatened.

Do you think that they now accept gun control will never happen so they are gearing up and abandoning hope of gun control laws being passed under Trump? If so. Then THAT is the basis for which I hold hope. Getting over that the 2A is here to stay, and maybe in that common ground, we kind of come together a little bit?

I don't know. I have essentially no hope that sensible gun control laws will be passed no matter who the president is.

 

[Blackjack200]

Liberals should now embrace the second amendment, and not just the second part of it. The "security of a free state" part may become more relevant.

If there is ever a violent coup in this country it will come from the military.

 

[pauldun170]

Well, I hate Christians, I love gays, and I have lots of guns.

But I've been buying them for years, so......

You've been buying gays, christians and guns for years? I think its illegal for at least 2 of those purchases.

What about Gay Christians? Is it a love hate relationship?

Allow me

You've been buying gays, christians and guns for years? I think its illegal for at least 2 of those purchases.

What about Gay Christians? Is it a love hate relationship?

Stop being an asshole Pauldun170

 

[momeNt]

I don't personally agree that buying a gun is the rational thing to do in their shoes. I just find it upsetting rather than encouraging that people are feeling threatened.



I don't know. I have essentially no hope that sensible gun control laws will be passed no matter who the president is.

I'm trying to see the silver lining in the cloud. Obviously it's a bad thing that they feel that they need to buy a gun. I think though that the world is potentially a bad place, so I'm just happy they joined me in a healthy distrust of those around me. And in that distrust, we find some unity.

 

[chucky2]

Damnit Loony Libs, please, no driving up demand! We're just getting to the point where it's stabilizing and you're going to f*ck the pricing up again. Be unarmed miserable whiners like you've been for decades now, a couple more years aren't going to hurt you...

 

[poofyhairguy]

I don't know. I have essentially no hope that sensible gun control laws will be passed no matter who the president is.

The world agrees with you. Gun control support is at all time lows:

And most people feel hopeless about the government being able to stop mass shootings:

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Everyone can enjoy Saturday Night Live now, not just Democrats. Here's the "Show Us Your Guns" clip from 1975.
https://vimeo.com/75713025

 

[momeNt]

I think it's along those lines, exactly.

Minorities and LGBT communities fear what Trump and his supporters stand for, and are preparing for the worst.

So now, they will arm themselves to protect themselves from fellow American's, who voted in a president who ran a campaign of hate and fear directed at them.

It's really not that much to get your head around. Feigned ignorance is not becoming.

You go ahead and count that as a win for the 2A, the rest of us will see it for what it really is...the expansion of fear mongering among citizens of the good ole USofA.

Okay.... let's try an exercise, what was the original basis for the 2A? Let's try a federalist paper

• If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
  -- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

I'll be honest, that's pretty insane fear mongering. Buy a gun because your government might betray you.

It isn't the expansion of fear-mongering, it is re-affirming the fear-mongering that this nation is not defined by its government, but by the people. Gun control is anathema to a free state.

 

[Blackjack200]

Okay.... let's try an exercise, what was the original basis for the 2A? Let's try a federalist paper

I'll be honest, that's pretty insane fear mongering. Buy a gun because your government might betray you.

It isn't the expansion of fear-mongering, it is re-affirming the fear-mongering that this nation is not defined by its government, but by the people. Gun control is anathema to a free state.

Do you read the federalist papers in your spare time? I'd prefer to hear your own original arguments, and if you want to copy/paste from nra dot com, at least be honest about where you got it from.

Hamilton suggested that citizens turn to arms when "the representatives of the people betray their constituents"

So, would you consider state sanctioned killing of black people, as we've seen on cell phone video over the last few years to be a betrayal? Do you think that BLM or any protest movement in response would be justified in bearing arms against the police, because MAN, it sure doesn't look like the 2A people in here think that.

If there is ever a violent coup in this country it will come from the military.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Re: moment...

That's not the discussion at hand.

I'm not for more gun control.

I gave you reasoning behind what you believe is a quality that potentially unites American's on both sides of the political divide, fear.

But, is it fear of our government? No, it's fear of our fellow American's that's driving it.

So again, count it a win in your book. Not everyone is.

 

[Blackjack200]

The world agrees with you. Gun control support is at all time lows:

That's a national survey, not global, and it shows an even split as far as I can tell.

 

[chucky2]

Do you read the federalist papers in your spare time? I'd prefer to hear your own original arguments, and if you want to copy/paste from nra dot com, at least be honest about where you got it from.

Hamilton suggested that citizens turn to arms when "the representatives of the people betray their constituents"

So, would you consider state sanctioned killing of black people, as we've seen on cell phone video over the last few years to be a betrayal? Do you think that BLM or any protest movement in response would be justified in bearing arms against the police, because MAN, it sure doesn't look like the 2A people in here think that.

BLM? BLM is a joke. However, as bad as the police are in some areas, I'm legitimately surprised the local populace there hasn't 'sent a message' a decade or two sooner than now and just lit an entire station/force up, directly. Then again, in many of these locales, the citizenry is at such a scum level, it's hard to say who's worse.

 

[Blackjack200]

BLM? BLM is a joke. However, as bad as the police are in some areas, I'm legitimately surprised the local populace there hasn't 'sent a message' a decade or two sooner than now and just lit an entire station/force up, directly. Then again, in many of these locales, the citizenry is at such a scum level, it's hard to say who's worse.

So you think that kind of behavior is consistent with what Hamilton wanted? Like, the Dallas sniper was just acting in accordance of what the founding fathers said we should do when betrayed by the state?

 

[ultimatebob]

So you think that kind of behavior is consistent with what Hamilton wanted? Like, the Dallas sniper was just acting in accordance of what the founding fathers said we should do when betrayed by the state?

Hamilton is a bad example for gun control support. If that guy could aim a gun properly, he probably would have lived to be 80.

His life story wouldn't have made for as good of a musical, though.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well, I hate Christians, I love gays, and I have lots of guns.

But I've been buying them for years, so......

You don't hate me do you?

 

[shortylickens]

I do hate you.


Since when did you become a Christian?

 

[Blackjack200]

Hamilton is a bad example for gun control support. If that guy could aim a gun properly, he probably would have lived to be 80.

His life story wouldn't have made for as good of a musical, though.

I think anyone who gave their opinion in the age of flintlock muskets is a bad example for 2A support.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I do hate you.


Since when did you become a Christian?

As soon as Trump was elected

 

[Puffnstuff]

I do hate you.
Since when did you become a Christian?

About 40 years ago.

 

[momeNt]

So you think that kind of behavior is consistent with what Hamilton wanted? Like, the Dallas sniper was just acting in accordance of what the founding fathers said we should do when betrayed by the state?

I think that without the Dallas sniper, and heroes like Chris Dorner, the cops would have operated for much longer with impunity.

Obviously Chris Dorner is a better example, he knew who the pigs were before going after them, the Dallas sniper did not operate with as much scrutiny into the particular cops he was targeting.

It sends a clear message that there is a problem, and it needs to be fixed. It basically a shot across the bow, and to continue down that course would invite real conflict.

Without some person who really transcends what it means to be human like MLK, an inspirational visionary and leader of people, it will take actions of men like the Dorner to spur a greater level of accountability among those we entrust with our governance.