Liberals now buying guns

[momeNt]

BBCNews seems to have pushed out one of those "Crazy Americans" articles. Americans with out current partisan BS isn't the target audience for this piece.

Here is key piece of info from the article


This isn't a "liberal issue". This is a basic personal safety concern.



I've always looked at Gun culture as regional. Not political.

Good points, I'll stress the motives for gun ownership is not where the potential to unify this nation can be found, but rather the end results of gun ownership could provide some sort of unity.

edit: as to the regional not political, look at the electoral district map. Politics correlates pretty highly with region! So my argument is basically that we can kind of come together as gun owners and be friendly, and not really view eachother as "other" people but the same people.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yea, you don't just buy a gun, you buy a safe, cleaning kit, all sorts of other goodies to go along with it. Don't let kids discourage you though, I guarantee you can be responsible enough to always keep it in the safe and not leave it unattended, give yourself some credit. You're responsible enough to think you're capable of raising a kid right?

Don't be ridiculous, you need that gun to be immediately accessible when the scary people invade your home. You can't be fucking around with a safe.

 

[theeedude]

Yea, you don't just buy a gun, you buy a safe, cleaning kit, all sorts of other goodies to go along with it. Don't let kids discourage you though, I guarantee you can be responsible enough to always keep it in the safe and not leave it unattended, give yourself some credit. You're responsible enough to think you're capable of raising a kid right?

It's just one more thing to worry about. I live in a very safe area, and I don't have time to go to the range to enjoy it, so the risk/reward is not there for me at this time.

 

[interchange]

I imagine such a thing could become a unifying issue in this country, and if so, I would support it.

But I highly doubt we would ever make it there. Especially if the impetus to buy guns is to protect ourselves from each other.

Aside from that, individually, I think the risks outweigh the benefits of guns. Similar to super fast cars. If not used responsibly, people can kill themselves (mostly) and others very easily. But I can absolutely see the appeal, and don't think the appeal in itself is bad.

So I am anti gun and pro gun rights.

 

[momeNt]

Don't be ridiculous, you need that gun to be immediately accessible when the scary people invade your home. You can't be fucking around with a safe.

That's pretty immediately accessible, and satisfies California DOJ ruling for securing the gun.

 

[highland145]

Yeah, it's wonderful that minorities and LGBTs now feel that their safety is threatened by a bunch of emboldened white supremacists.

Pretty sure they should be looking towards the radical muslins.

 

[SP33Demon]

If this trend continues, GOP is going to be for gun control in no time.

The strawman has arrived! Please greet him accordingly.

 

[momeNt]

The strawman has arrived! Please greet him accordingly.

He came around pretty quickly. Like I said, nothing is healed YET but I remain cautiously optimistic that this trend may prove to be fruitful in the end.

 

[umbrella39]

LOL... now? Ah yes, the old only conservatives hunt and own guns fallacy...

 

[Blue_Max]

this is not a serious thread, right?

People are talking about rampant white supremacists, so definitely not.

 

[momeNt]

People are talking about rampant white supremacists, so definitely not.

It's a serious thread. I recognize your name but not where you fall on the issues. I think liberals supporting the 2A is a good thing. There was a couple turds slung initially but I think its heading in the right direction.

 

[highland145]

The up tic in Cali is before the semi auto ban in Jan, correct?

 

[pauldun170]

Good points, I'll stress the motives for gun ownership is not where the potential to unify this nation can be found, but rather the end results of gun ownership could provide some sort of unity.

edit: as to the regional not political, look at the electoral district map. Politics correlates pretty highly with region! So my argument is basically that we can kind of come together as gun owners and be friendly, and not really view eachother as "other" people but the same people.

I'm in New York, work in NYC. Live out in the burbs. Friend and family spread throughout.
Historically a lot of gun enthusiast around my area.
Known people some might refer to as "bleeding heart liberal" who have been visiting gun ranges for years. Pretty sure their voting record has been strict democrat for ages. When the ranges around here have that "try any gun...just pay for the ammo" fest the places are packed.
Same goes for the hunting brigade.

You don't hear them going apeshit over gun ownership because we live in a safe region and our crime rates are low.

You won't unify anyone over gun ownership.
They will just find something else to demonize the "other people who live in a part of the country I've never lived in."

 

[Roflmouth]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345





This is really great news. I think that gun culture could be something that we can use as a unifying force in this country. There is so much that we disagree about, between anarchists, constitutionalists, conservatives, and liberals, but maybe guns are the key to it all, to bring about some cohesion in this country.

I think Washington, Jefferson, and the rest of the framers would be smiling right now. Maybe liberals and conservatives can start competing for better 3-shot groups and strike a friendship instead of screaming at eachother over the internet or in coffee bars.

This is certainly a step up since they used to just steal them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I live in a blue state. I haven't met a single person, outside of inner city peeps, who think we need more gun control.

Plenty of liberals around here support gun rights.

The people I refer to in the city areas have seen what gun violence is like, and don't like it one bit. That has more to do with USA's ongoing war on drugs, and most people know it.

Round here, at least.

 

[Jhhnn]

Initially yes, but as they come across each other in gun clubs, gun stores, etc, maybe that common ground is somewhere to start healing.

Gun healing!

 

[Blackjack200]

I live in a blue state. I haven't met a single person, outside of inner city peeps, who think we need more gun control.

Plenty of liberals around here support gun rights.

The people I refer to in the city areas have seen what gun violence is like, and don't like it one bit. That has more to do with USA's ongoing war on drugs, and most people know it.

Round here, at least.

It's almost like the people that live in areas where guns are frequently used to kill people want to see more gun control, and the ones that live in other areas don't. But this isn't really a gun control thread anyway. This is a thread where the OP thinks it's good that minorities and LGBTs are fearing for their safety.

 

[ch33zw1z]

United in fear, what could go wrong.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Don't be ridiculous, you need that gun to be immediately accessible when the scary people invade your home. You can't be fucking around with a safe.

Depends on why you have a gun.

 

[Blackjack200]

Depends on why you have a gun.

Need it for my side gig.

https://www.amazon.com/Make-Money-Your-Spare-Time/dp/1499128304

 

[momeNt]

It's almost like the people that live in areas where guns are frequently used to kill people want to see more gun control, and the ones that live in other areas don't. But this isn't really a gun control thread anyway. This is a thread where the OP thinks it's good that minorities and LGBTs are fearing for their safety.

It's kind of paradoxical when you say it that way. Minorities and LGBT wanted gun control in the same basic areas that they generally populate (large cities where gun crime is most prevalent) but never once feared for their personal safety enough to buy a gun. But now that they are afraid of Trump's America they want guns? Why not just want more gun control?

I can't even get my head around that.

Do you think that they now accept gun control will never happen so they are gearing up and abandoning hope of gun control laws being passed under Trump? If so. Then THAT is the basis for which I hold hope. Getting over that the 2A is here to stay, and maybe in that common ground, we kind of come together a little bit?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think it's along those lines, exactly.

Minorities and LGBT communities fear what Trump and his supporters stand for, and are preparing for the worst.

So now, they will arm themselves to protect themselves from fellow American's, who voted in a president who ran a campaign of hate and fear directed at them.

It's really not that much to get your head around. Feigned ignorance is not becoming.

You go ahead and count that as a win for the 2A, the rest of us will see it for what it really is...the expansion of fear mongering among citizens of the good ole USofA.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm a liberal (by your standards) and I love guns. I believe that people's rights should be preserved whether you agree with them or not including the right of women to get an abortion. You self labeled conservatives should spend more time practicing what you preach instead of pointing biased fingers at other people..

 

[poofyhairguy]

Do you think that they now accept gun control will never happen so they are gearing up and abandoning hope of gun control laws being passed under Trump?

I don't see why a political opinion has to follow a personal choice. I could see a situation where someone could chose to have a gun for their own safety due their high saturation in American society, yet be for gun control in hopes one day they won't need a gun.

 

[momeNt]

I think it's along those lines, exactly.

Minorities and LGBT communities fear what Trump and his supporters stand for, and are preparing for the worst.

So now, they will arm themselves to protect themselves from fellow American's, who voted in a president who ran a campaign of hate and fear directed at them.

It's really not that much to get your head around. Feigned ignorance is not becoming.

So the levels of violence in their immediate proximity didn't phase them enough to purchase a gun, it was simply enough to support gun control. Now Trump's hate campaign has them fearing for their safety enough to drop gun control rhetoric and purchase a gun?

Those kind of Trump supporters aren't where they are. As the article said, the LGBT saw something on the news in a rural town, knows they live in safety, yet purchased a gun. What do they expect? A the militia of Alabama to come to New York to start checking if born sex matches current sex?

I'm not sure that adds up.