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Liberals increasingly wary of Mormons in office, study shows

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cybrsage said:
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ps-voter-issue/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xsTKAmVb

Oh tolerance, why are you and liberals such strangers?
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You're confusing conservative's desire to defeat Barack Obama with being more 'tolerant'. If Mitt wasn't running, you wouldn't see this at all.

And Mormons have a race problem:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...k-mormons-mormons-confront-black-history.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...m_a_new_controversy_about_old_teachings_.html
 
And again you assume that this has something to do with tolerance of Mormonism. This very well could be simply that they don't want to vote for Romney with Mormonism has no more to do with it than in the past. But since he is a Mormon they answer yes to the the question if they are less likely to vote for a Mormon candidate for president.
 
If Mormons don't like blacks, why are they sending missionaries to Africa to help and convert them? Just did a quick search, and looks like they are in Ghana, Kenya, Liberia, Nigeria, .etc. And we all know that the blacks in Africa are the blackest of them all, so why would are they trying to convert them?
 
cybrsage said:
Again, you are pretending that being intolerant means that person is actually tolerant. You might as well say someone who is awake is asleep and someone who is wet is dry, someone who is naked is clothed...

If someone is intolerant, they are not tolerant. The two terms are opposites...you cannot be both.

But you lie about not "playing these games", YOU are the one who started the game and YOU are continuing it by saying stupid things such as saying an intolerant person is tolerant.
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Mix one part troll-like thread title with 2 parts straw man arguments and you get one fine piece of cybrsage conjecture pie!

See when you cherry pick poll data, and take a narrow view of that cherry picked data, you end up with this kind of nonsense.
 
Phokus said:
You're confusing conservative's desire to defeat Barack Obama with being more 'tolerant'. If Mitt wasn't running, you wouldn't see this at all.

And Mormons have a race problem:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...k-mormons-mormons-confront-black-history.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...m_a_new_controversy_about_old_teachings_.html
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The second article you linked says:

Nobody Knows demonstrates just how far black Mormons have come since the priesthood ban was lifted 33 years ago. Though it’s not mentioned in the film, Africa is currently a prime breeding ground for new members of the church.
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LDS Church growth fastest in Africa, Caribbean
http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_14891709
 
cybrsage said:
Again, you are pretending that being intolerant means that person is actually tolerant. ...
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You're lying again.


But you lie about not "playing these games", YOU are the one who started the game and YOU are continuing it by saying stupid things such as saying an intolerant person is tolerant.
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You're lying again. At this point you are willfully spreading misinformation by claiming I said "an intolerant person is tolerant" when I said nothing of the sort. Deliberate misinformation is a violation of forum rules.
 
cybrsage said:
Here is a link to the study:


http://ussc.edu.au/ussc/assets/media/docs/publications/1206_Smith_Mormons.pdf
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Strange...the word "tolerant" is unexplainably absent from that entire "study"...are you applying new meanings to your little pet word now? You've done it in the past.

>>"Fourth, aversion to voting for Mormons plays an important role in creating doubts among conservatives about voting for Mitt Romney in the general election. Mormon-averse voters are significantly more likely to declare themselves undecided, not voting or voting for a third candidate in a contest between Romney and Obama. Indeed, aversion to Mormons—not Tea Party identification or conservative purity—is by far the most important factor dividing conservatives who say they will vote for Romney from conservatives who do not. While we can expect Romney to consolidate his support among conservatives as the election draws closer, this ambivalence about a Mormon candidate could create an enthusiasm gap that may be the difference in very close contests. Regardless of whether he wins or not, Mormonism certainly makes things more difficult for Romney."<<

:hmm:
 
The Fox article leaves out the most important finding of the study, at least in terms of its impact in November: that evangelicals who have unfavorable views are tending to say they are undecided or will not vote in November. While the unfavorable view is somewhat higher among dems and independents, the data also shows it is less likely to affect their voting behavior. In any event, the big take away from the study is that Romney may be in trouble with the evangelical base.

Leave it to Fox to cherry pick the truth.
 
Bowfinger said:
Two points. First, your title is dishonest, insinuating that this study is considering tolerance broadly when it is, in fact, quite narrowly focused on voters' attitude towards one religion, Mormonism. Second, I'd love to see the methodology behind this study, something Fox conveniently neglects to link. Without such details, it's impossible to determine how much credibility the study deserves. I will say there's a huge difference between posing that question in the abstract, in 2007, vs. posing it today when respondents will tend to conflate Mormon with Mitt Romney.
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A dishonest title by the OP? Never!
 
The post confirms what every sensible person already knew; Conservatives are nothing if not tolerant and accepting of other people. Even those of darker complexion. That is not to say they will have our vote however, we base our votes solely on the issues.
 
cybrsage: Again, you are pretending that being intolerant means that person is actually tolerant. You might as well say someone who is awake is asleep and someone who is wet is dry, someone who is naked is clothed...

M: This is a lie disguised as a semantical game. A person who is intolerant in one area may not be in another. You can be truthful about a person's intolerance only if you identify the area in which they are intolerant. In order for liberals to be in a state of becoming more intolerant and conservatives going the other way we would have to look at the totality of all intolerance. Are conservatives becoming more tolerant of women's rights, gay rights, of folk on welfare, of immigrants, etc. Your title is totally misleading, period, no if ands or buts. Your defense of the preposterous doesn't flatter your intellect.

c: If someone is intolerant, they are not tolerant. The two terms are opposites...you cannot be both.

M: Certainly you can be both. You can be intolerant of Mexicans and tolerate black people nicely as just one of a huge number of examples.

What you can't be do is be tolerant and intolerant of the same thing which is why your thread title is misleading and inappropriate.

c: But you lie about not "playing these games", YOU are the one who started the game and YOU are continuing it by saying stupid things such as saying an intolerant person is tolerant.

M: Stop lying. You are the one clinging to the stupid. He is saying just what I have said, now, that intolerance discussed in the abstract without identifying the object that intolerance applies to is inaccurate. This is a thread about tolerance or intolerance of Mormons, not that liberals are becoming intolerant and conservative are becoming tolerant. Man up and change your thread title.
 
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Tom said:
I think Americans in general have a pretty good impression of Jesus, take care of each other, don't be greedy, etc. And maybe some idea that there's wisdom in Judaism, Confucism, Buddhist.

We here that Mohammed had some wisdom, but the stuff about the virgins and dying is not exactly top shelf behavior and such.

I don't know that Joseph Smith added anything particularly noteworthy to Christianity, other than some supernatural stuff, considering blacks to be less than human, and it was good for men to have lots of women and girls as wives.

Anyone know of any useful profound philosophical breakthrough brought to us by Mormons ?
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Well, according to past news stories they believe you can convert someone to Mormonism simply by blessing the grave and/or tombstone of the deceased. That's got to have philosophical connotations. Imagine, you're sipping on some of Heavens' special Frankincense & Myrrh Dark Roast, remembering how great it was to be a Catholic or whatever, then WHAM; you're a Mormon. The coffee you had been savoring disappears & you're tumbling towards Hell for having taken it into your heavenly body.
 
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"More" is relative.

If one group started off at Tolerance Level 1 and went up to 2, yes, thats more tolerant.
If the other group started off at Tolerance Level 100 and went to 99, yes, thats less tolerant.

But since you cant quantify tolerance I dont see why we should have a debate about it.
 
cybrsage said:
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ps-voter-issue/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xsTKAmVb

Oh tolerance, why are you and liberals such strangers?
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So basically you are saying that you are becoming more tolerant of non-christians as the only viable option for a president on your side is a non-christian (Mormons do not believe that Jesus was the son of God or even that he was a man who walked the earth, they believe he was an angel).

I would love to see Romney as a President though, the first non Christian president in since Jefferson.

Of course fundies like you would still consider him a Christian even though he does not believe there ever was a Christ, you'd find a way because you're his bestest butt buddy.
 
shortylickens said:
"More" is relative.

If one group started off at Tolerance Level 1 and went up to 2, yes, thats more tolerant.
If the other group started off at Tolerance Level 100 and went to 99, yes, thats less tolerant.

But since you cant quantify tolerance I dont see why we should have a debate about it.
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Well you can, but it's a sum game, you need to retract as well as sum it, this is actually a social science that works.

Discrimination acts as - while approval beyond standards act as + the status quo isn't as is though, it's - for obvious reasons.
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
So basically you are saying that you are becoming more tolerant of non-christians as the only viable option for a president on your side is a non-christian (Mormons do not believe that Jesus was the son of God or even that he was a man who walked the earth, they believe he was an angel).

I would love to see Romney as a President though, the first non Christian president in since Jefferson.

Of course fundies like you would still consider him a Christian even though he does not believe there ever was a Christ, you'd find a way because you're his bestest butt buddy.
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Wrong.

Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge (see Isaiah 9:6, 53:3-7; Psalms 22:16-18).
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http://mormon.org/faq/belief-in-jesus-christ/
 
cybrsage said:
If you are intolerant against Mormons, you are not tolerant. The concept, it is not a difficult one.

I suspect it is because you are intolerant to Mormons but still want to claim you are tolerant. I am right?
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So what does (falsely) believing in Victory Mosques make someone?
 
Uh... Romney is a political snake and a shitty leader. Him being a Mormon is probably his most redeemable quality.
 
bfdd said:
Uh... Romney is a political snake and a shitty leader. Him being a Mormon is probably his most redeemable quality.
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It's rare we agree on anything, but, yeh, Romney gives Mormons a bad name. Hence the results of the poll Cybr references & bases false attribution on...
 
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