Liberal men least happy

[Exophase]

in all seriousness bradly it brings me no pleasure to point out certain indicies, please understand the context in which i do it (here at this forum), and i'm glad that you're happy, as well as your friends. but, in spite of the article you referenced, if you are willing to broaden your research a bit, you'll discover in no uncertain terms that my statement rings true.

hope you and yours have a safe and sane celebration this evening and that all of your wishes become reality in the new year.

I tried googling for these studies as soon as you made the claim, genuinely having no idea if they were based on anything or not. I couldn't find anything but articles referencing studies that homosexual people were happier, particularly in their relationships. Could you show us your sources please?

 

[bradly1101]

in all seriousness bradly it brings me no pleasure to point out certain indicies, please understand the context in which i do it (here at this forum), and i'm glad that you're happy, as well as your friends. but, in spite of the article you referenced, if you are willing to broaden your research a bit, you'll discover in no uncertain terms that my statement rings true.

hope you and yours have a safe and sane celebration this evening and that all of your wishes become reality in the new year.

Is this better?

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb02/newdata.aspx

 

[Moonbeam]

I must be smarter than Steven Hawking.


Either that or my happiness gland is broken.

What kind of professional help are you seeking. You keep screaming for it on the forum here but reject any that comes your way. Don't get me wrong. That's quite normal. The thing about depression is that it is something we often feel we deserve and won't seek treatment for.

 

[Geosurface]

Moonbeam might I humbly suggest that you try to go a week or even a month without mentioning anything to do with either you or anyone else on these forums needing psychological care or suffering from any sort of psychological issue?

Setting aside the issue of whether it holds any truth either in your case or anyone else's, it really seems like it has become a conversational crutch for you that you employ far, far too often. Challenge yourself to forego its use a while, I think it would be a good thing.

 

[row]

Is this better?

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb02/newdata.aspx

from your source:

"Several large population-based public health studies are discussed in the November American Psychologist (Vol. 56, No. 11) by Susan Cochran, PhD, an epidemiologist in the University of California, Los Angeles School of Public Health, who authored or co-authored many of the studies. Specifically, the studies find:

Higher rates of major depression, generalized anxiety disorder and substance use or dependence in lesbian and gay youth.

Higher rates of recurrent major depression among gay men.

the above obviously answers

Higher rates of anxiety, mood and substance use disorders, and suicidal thoughts among people ages 15 to 54 with same-sex partners.

Higher use of mental health services in men and women reporting same-sex partners."


further (same source):

"The data contradict previous findings that there are no significant differences in the mental health of heterosexuals and LGB people, adds Cochran, who notes she is concerned that these findings may give ammunition to people who want to falsely promulgate the argument that gay people are by nature mentally ill."

this is your argument?

I tried googling for these studies as soon as you made the claim, genuinely having no idea if they were based on anything or not. I couldn't find anything but articles referencing studies that homosexual people were happier, particularly in their relationships. Could you show us your sources please?

ask bradly, he found it

 

[Exophase]

Also in that source:

In a study that examines possible root causes of mental disorders in LGB people, Cochran and psychologist Vickie M. Mays, PhD, of the University of California, Los Angeles, explored whether ongoing discrimination fuels anxiety, depression and other stress-related mental health problems among LGB people. The authors found strong evidence of a relationship between the two.

If this was the case then you'd expect to see studies reflect an increase in happiness and decrease in emotional disorders as society becomes more tolerant of homosexuals and as technology eases barriers - eg, online dating sites.


You might just find that studies since 2002 show a certain trend... and why it's been so hard for me to find studies on this now..

 

[Vic]

If you kick a dog all the time, should you be surprised that the dog is unhappy?

This thread is a perfect example that if you begin with the assumption that your beliefs are right, you will arrive at the conclusion that your beliefs are right.

 

[highland145]

 

[row]

If you kick a dog all the time, should you be surprised that the dog is unhappy?

This thread is a perfect example that if you begin with the assumption that your beliefs are right, you will arrive at the conclusion that your beliefs are right.

your getting off topic, but...

i agree with your first sentence.

the second one i have no idea what your talking about. my particular beliefs are based on fact. if you disagree with what was stated by the experts (supplied by one of your own, mistakenly it appears), then by all means, take it up with them

 

[Vic]

your getting off topic, but...

i agree with your first sentence.

the second on i have no idea what your talking about. my particular beliefs are based on fact. if you disagree with what was stated by the experts (supplied by one of your own, mistakenly it appears), then by all means, take it up with them

Your beliefs are based on broad assumptions and generalizations.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam might I humbly suggest that you try to go a week or even a month without mentioning anything to do with either you or anyone else on these forums needing psychological care or suffering from any sort of psychological issue?

Setting aside the issue of whether it holds any truth either in your case or anyone else's, it really seems like it has become a conversational crutch for you that you employ far, far too often. Challenge yourself to forego its use a while, I think it would be a good thing.

Might I humbly suggest that if you are going to humbly suggest something that it not be something I have done numerous times. Think of my presence here today as an encore.

 

[row]

Your beliefs are based on broad assumptions and generalizations.

prove it

 

[shortylickens]

What kind of professional help are you seeking. You keep screaming for it on the forum here but reject any that comes your way. Don't get me wrong. That's quite normal. The thing about depression is that it is something we often feel we deserve and won't seek treatment for.

Thats the most intelligible thing you've ever said.

 

[shortylickens]

Actually, thats the ONLY intelligible thing you've ever said.

 

[Moonbeam]

M: .......You should have said that among the folk tested who are all high risk for depression, having a family history of it, say, that those among those unfortunate genetic inheritors of such a predilection who professed an interest in religion or spirituality also showed increased resistance to the depression for which they were still at high risk.

r: sort of a convoluted sentence, but thanks for making my point professor.

M: If that was your point then it was no point at all. You actually said this:

"i know you're all familiar with the recent research by Columbia University which shows that a persons spirituality (religiosity) offers protection against depression. using new imaging techniques scientist have discovered that people who are spiritually predisposed have a thicker cortex, for the uniformed amongst you (regressives/leftists) the cerebral cortex is the brain's outermost layer made of gray matter that forms the organ's characteristic folds, areas of which are important hubs of neural activity for processes such as sensory perception, language and emotion.

being secular progessives, heathen compatriots or just plain lame athiests, you're all obviously part of the small cortex demographic. pretty depressing huh. psychotropic meds anyone?"

So you used the bolded "a persons" to imply it referred to "secular progessives, heathen compatriots or just plain lame athiests", the incorrect spelling yours, when the data applied only to folk with a family history of depression. In short, you tried to fake a connection and it didn't work. You can't handle the simple intellectual requirements of properly extrapolating from a study. Vic nailed you when he said, "Your beliefs are based on broad assumptions and generalizations", and let's not forget conformational bias. Just imagine how you would feel if somebody called your conservative inability to think a brain defect. But don't worry. I am sure that the day is coming when some liberal genius invents a pill that will cure your defect.

 

[Moonbeam]

Actually, thats the ONLY intelligible thing you've ever said.

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to tell me why you think so.

 

[shortylickens]

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to tell me why you think so.

Nope.
New Years starts in 6 hours. I just dont have enough time to research everything you've ever said and make up an argumentative essay.

I'll see if maybe they let me use you in my next writing class at GMU.

 

[Vic]

prove it

Easy. What you're saying and what your experts are saying are not the same thing. They show probabilities ("gays are slightly more likely to be unhappy" ), you claim certainties ("gays are unhappy" ).

Further proof: I wasn't talking to you when I posted about this thread in general.

 

[row]

Easy. What you're saying and what your experts are saying are not the same thing. They show probabilities ("gays are slightly more likely to be unhappy" ), you claim certainties ("gays are unhappy" ).

fact, i said gays were unhappy

fact, your sources said gays are unhappy

your attempt to spin the facts are pretty pathetic, much like your comment about my mother. you should probably give up while behind, you sound more stupid by the moment.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nope.
New Years starts in 6 hours. I just dont have enough time to research everything you've ever said and make up an argumentative essay.

I'll see if maybe they let me use you in my next writing class at GMU.

I'm not interested in why you think all my other posts, but why you thought well of the one you mentioned. You need only deal with the one post if you want.

 

[Vic]

fact, i said gays were unhappy

fact, your sources said gays are unhappy

your attempt to spin the facts are pretty pathetic, much like your comment about my mother. you should probably give up while behind, you sound more stupid by the moment.

And I rest my case. Although, I must know, what sources are my sources? I didn't post any sources, you did.

 

[Moonbeam]

fact, i said gays were unhappy

fact, your sources said gays are unhappy

your attempt to spin the facts are pretty pathetic, much like your comment about my mother. you should probably give up while behind, you sound more stupid by the moment.

This is a well known conservative phenomenon. The more a conservative is shown that he lives in an altered reality the more strongly he believes that altered reality to be real. Unfortunately, that means that a conservative can never quit while he is behind, he's impelled to get further and further behind all the time.

 

[IGBT]

no surprise. sooner or later they figure out liberalism is a mental disorder and rooted in liberal mythology.

 

[row]

M: .......You should have said that among the folk tested who are all high risk for depression, having a family history of it, say, that those among those unfortunate genetic inheritors of such a predilection who professed an interest in religion or spirituality also showed increased resistance to the depression for which they were still at high risk.

r: sort of a convoluted sentence, but thanks for making my point professor.

M: If that was your point then it was no point at all. You actually said this:

"i know you're all familiar with the recent research by Columbia University which shows that a persons spirituality (religiosity) offers protection against depression. using new imaging techniques scientist have discovered that people who are spiritually predisposed have a thicker cortex, for the uniformed amongst you (regressives/leftists) the cerebral cortex is the brain's outermost layer made of gray matter that forms the organ's characteristic folds, areas of which are important hubs of neural activity for processes such as sensory perception, language and emotion.

being secular progessives, heathen compatriots or just plain lame athiests, you're all obviously part of the small cortex demographic. pretty depressing huh. psychotropic meds anyone?"

So you used the bolded "a persons" to imply it referred to "secular progessives, heathen compatriots or just plain lame athiests", the incorrect spelling yours, when the data applied only to folk with a family history of depression. In short, you tried to fake a connection and it didn't work. You can't handle the simple intellectual requirements of properly extrapolating from a study. Vic nailed you when he said, "Your beliefs are based on broad assumptions and generalizations", and let's not forget conformational bias. Just imagine how you would feel if somebody called your conservative inability to think a brain defect. But don't worry. I am sure that the day is coming when some liberal genius invents a pill that will cure your defect.

i'm beginning to believe that you and vic must have had the same parents. were they brother and sister, or just close cousins? anyway, sorry you were unable to correctly interrupt what was almost a quote from the article in question. your feeble attempt at spin is worse than your sibling's. the article stated in very simple terms, those that believe in GOD have a physical protection from depression (thicker cortex), heathens don't possess it, hence more depression. get over it.

 

[shortylickens]

no surprise. sooner or later they figure out liberalism is a mental disorder and rooted in liberal mythology.

Could you try to add a little more depth to the conversation?