Liar Andrew Breitbart

Craig234

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This guy has been exposed again and again as someone not honest, the source of multiple false attacks, providing the platform to James O'Keefes lies etc.

Here's another example discrediting him, why he does not deserve to be listened to.

It's about an attack on a couple professors he posted.

One example:

This comment by Professor Ancel is presented on its own. Listen closely.

JUDY ANCEL: Violence is a tactic, and it’s to be used when it’s appropriate—the appropriate tactic.

What he actually said that was not shown:

AMY GOODMAN: Again, that clip from the Big Government video has Ancel saying, quote, "Violence is a tactic, and it’s to be used when it’s the appropriate tactic." But what the video doesn’t show is that Professor Ancel was actually quoting a person interviewed in a film she had screened for the class. This is Professor Ancel’s actual statement, without the editing.

JUDY ANCEL: The one guy in the film, one of the guys who had been one of the young SNCC types, said—

STUDENT: The Invaders.

JUDY ANCEL: What?

STUDENT: The Invaders.

JUDY ANCEL: The Invaders, thank you.

STUDENT: That’s the name of the—

JUDY ANCEL: Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, but he represented the kind of thinking that went into the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, and then later probably—well, coinciding with the Black Panthers, I’d say. You know, he said violence is a tactic, and it’s to be used when it’s appropriate—the appropriate tactic.

http://www.truthout.org/getting-wis...ve-right-wing-smear-campaign-andrew-breitbart

Now, a case can be made defending the quote even if it had been made. We have people in this forum daily stating how the 2nd amendment is all about 'the people being able to resist a corrupt government with force' - defending violence in some cases, and in fact I suspect most would defend it in some cases. But the point here is that Breitbart lied about the professor's comments with false editing.
 

woolfe9999

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I don't know much about Breitbart. Never visited his website. Looks like a pretty clear case of dishonesty to me.
 

Craig234

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I don't know much about Breitbart. Never visited his website. Looks like a pretty clear case of dishonesty to me.

You must remember the ACORN lies from O'Keefe, where he did things like put on his 'pimp costume' and splice in the footage making it look like he'd gone to ACORN that way.

Or the Shirley Sherrod scandal where he speech about how she'd made a mistake long before was edited to make it look like she was discriminating as a government official.

You may not much recognize Breitbart, but it's his web site that has been the vehicle for these and other lies that get into the national media - sort of a Matt Drudge Jr.
 

woolfe9999

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You must remember the ACORN lies from O'Keefe, where he did things like put on his 'pimp costume' and splice in the footage making it look like he'd gone to ACORN that way.

Or the Shirley Sherrod scandal where he speech about how she'd made a mistake long before was edited to make it look like she was discriminating as a government official.

You may not much recognize Breitbart, but it's his web site that has been the vehicle for these and other lies that get into the national media - sort of a Matt Drudge Jr.

Yeah, I do remember the O'Keefe business, but somehow I wasn't connecting it to Breitbart. I also remember Sherrod being the only time I ever heard about Breitbart before. These people are preaching to the choir, of course. Virtually no one who frequents those websites will ever check any of the facts. Heck almost no one here bothers to check facts so long as they are ideologically convenient.
 

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The 2nd Amendment prohibits the Federal government from infringing upon the rights of states to revolt, plain and simple.

"A well regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
 

PokerGuy

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Gotta fight fire with fire. Breibart is just the right wing equivalent of the main stream media.
 

MovingTarget

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Gotta fight fire with fire. Breibart is just the right wing equivalent of the main stream media.

Brietbart and Drudge (where I usually run across links to Brietbart's site) are more like the right wing equivalent of Pravda. The mainstream media isn't some monolithic liberal boogeyman that FOX makes it out to be.
 

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@ MT: Fox News isn't non-liberal either. Rupert Murdoch is a neocon, so that means he's not non-liberal. Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly are also liberal idiots because they don't vote for conservative candidates. For example, I know that Sean Hannity supported Rockefeller Republican Mitt Romney and in the general election he didn't vote for Chuck Baldwin (who was the most conservative candidate). Another example of how Fox News is progressive is the fact that Sean Hannity (and Bill O'Reilly) would vote for Hillary Clinton over Dr. Paul.

Sean Hannity may say that he doesn't like taxation and regulations, when he does like them--he only cares about spreading democracy to the middle east through our socialist military which requires excessive taxation.
 

shiner

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This guy has been exposed again and again as someone not honest,

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thraashman

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I think the intelligent of us have learned that if something is posted by Andrew Breitbart to assume that it's a complete falsehood to attack those the right dislikes but are unassailable by the filth that is the right.
 

PokerGuy

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The mainstream media isn't some monolithic liberal boogeyman that FOX makes it out to be.

Yes, for the most part, it is. When the vast majority of journalists self identify as democrats, you have to be pretty darn stupid or naive to believe that their views don't factor into their work at all.
 

fskimospy

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Yes, for the most part, it is. When the vast majority of journalists self identify as democrats, you have to be pretty darn stupid or naive to believe that their views don't factor into their work at all.

Oh, the age old 'I don't care what facts are, I know what I know' argument. A classic to be sure.
 

umbrella39

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Gotta fight fire with fire. Breibart is just the right wing equivalent of the main stream media.

Yeah! So MSM like Fox does this, too? They take clips and purposely edit them to look like something else instead of playing the whole clip which clearly shows a different picture? I kind of figured they did this but never watching TV news I have to leave it up to the experts like you to paint us the truth. I hope Breibart never sets his sights on you.
 

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Yes, for the most part, it is. When the vast majority of journalists self identify as democrats, you have to be pretty darn stupid or naive to believe that their views don't factor into their work at all.

I suppose you have some facts to support that position?
 

umbrella39

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After all of Dana Loesch's repeated lying, why has this compulsive lying twat been hired by evil right wing MSM player CNN for the 2012 elections? It's fun to watch the Tea Party circling the drain.
 

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Yeah! So MSM like Fox does this, too? They take clips and purposely edit them to look like something else instead of playing the whole clip which clearly shows a different picture? I kind of figured they did this but never watching TV news I have to leave it up to the experts like you to paint us the truth. I hope Breibart never sets his sights on you.

This current example is about as egregious as can be imagined. It's more than out of context; it's a blatant lie.
 

MovingTarget

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Yes, for the most part, it is. When the vast majority of journalists self identify as democrats, you have to be pretty darn stupid or naive to believe that their views don't factor into their work at all.

Can it play a role? Yes. However, self-identification does not correllate to a lack of journalistic integrity. It doesn't matter what they self-report as, so long as they stand by accepted journalistic principles.
 

PokerGuy

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Oh, the age old 'I don't care what facts are, I know what I know' argument. A classic to be sure.

Once again our clueles elitist can't differentiate fact from opinion. There's a wealth of information out there showing that more journalists are democrats than republicans, both in terms of donations and affiliation. That's a FACT. The only point of contention is whether that translates into biased coverage. http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

As I said before, anyone who believes people's personal opinion doesn't seep into their work is naive and/or stupid, plain and simple.
 

PokerGuy

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It doesn't matter what they self-report as, so long as they stand by accepted journalistic principles.

That's one of those things that sounds great in theory, but is plain laughable in the real world. It might be possible for some, but it just doesn't work that way for most.
 

fskimospy

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Once again our clueles elitist can't differentiate fact from opinion. There's a wealth of information out there showing that more journalists are democrats than republicans, both in terms of donations and affiliation. That's a FACT. The only point of contention is whether that translates into biased coverage. http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

As I said before, anyone who believes people's personal opinion doesn't seep into their work is naive and/or stupid, plain and simple.

Where did I say that more journalists didn't self define as Democrats/liberals? What I was taking issue with was that this somehow translates into macro effect media bias, something that has been heavily researched, with the vast majority of the literature finding next to no effect.

You think that because your gut tells you something must be true that it is. I on the other hand, read actual research on the issue. But hey, I'm sure reading is for all us ivory tower elitists. That's your problem, your view of the worst is based on emotion, so contrary facts are just thrown away as they are inconvenient.
 

Craig234

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This whole 'more journalists identify as democrats' is used as a lie about the media.

First, a few journalists in America have very disproportionate influence - it doesn't matter if 10 local reporters with very small audiences are Democrats for each of the big national journalists who put out right-wing news. It'd be like using a statistic for 'all US business heads' on something where there are many small business/sole proprietership are at odds with Fortune 500 CEOs.

More importantly, the reporters are not the ones who determine the coverage. They don't go out and pick what stories to cover, and how to cover them, except a few.

The fact is, the US media is almost entirely owned by 4 or 5 mega corporations, and generally, they have a corporate bias.

It's the EMPLOYERS, the PUBLISHERS, who set the tone for the content, hiring and directing the editors who do what they want, who hire and direct the reporters.

And this OWNERSHIP has a RIGHT-WING bias, reflected in the news.

There are books and easy cases to be made showing the news is right-wing except for minor outlets, but you can't get anywhere with facts with the righties here.

The only major ideologically driven media ownership in the US is News Corp; a minor example is the Washington Times.

And even News Corp is right-wing for business reasons, recognizing that he could create a market for right-wing lies and therefore own that market, instead of being just one more player in the 'mainstream' market competing with the same type of product already well filled by competitors. He paid to build that audience (after the first attempt failed), and it's worked. 90% of talk radio is right-wing, too.

The 90% of reporters statistic, from one poll long ago, takes advantage of some people's ignorance about how the media works - ignoring the right-wing orientation of the owners or the actual, measured slant in the news. The facts clearly show the lie of the right-wing bias - which is so widely parroted it only further reinforces the real slant of the media, spreading the myth that serves the right-wing media.

Usually I'd provide some link to more info for the people who want to get a little informed; I have before on this, and it's a waste of time IMO, they don't want facts.

The most influential media figure in recent years has been Matt Drudge, who has a strongly right-wing bias and often false or even made-up stories, but has dominated the national media's story agenda, who have a huge appetite for gossipy, personality, attack stories the right specializes in.

(63% of stories (in national media, not Drudge) covered the 'horse race' issues; 1% covered candidates' records).

One example might help serve to show the real 'bias', because it's typical.

Leading up to the 2008 election, someone noticed John Edwards got a $400 haircut - which fit the media's narrative of attacking Democrats as 'feminine' (or 'fags').

Drudge linked the story and pushed it - and it was very widely repeated by the national media, who did their usual routine of covering it, covering the 'story' about the media covering, justifying coverage by other media covering it, and doing stories about how it was getting too much airtime.

Soon after, there was a second story about Mitt Romney having a $300 makeup expense - a very similar story that did not fit the media 'feminine Democrat' narrative.

The Edwards story, pushed by Drudge, had 2,372 stories in the media; the Romney story, ignored by Drudge (and Romney's communications director was a longtime Drudge source for headlines, so Drudge was biased not to report the story against his source's candidate) had 21.

As one article in New York Magazine reported:

"[Matt Drudge's web site] is America's bulletin board, and much more than that," NBC's Brian Williams said recently. "Matt Drudge is just about the most powerful journalist in America", said Pat Buchanan...

In 2000, he helped defeat Al Gore by turning up the volume on such stories as Al Gore's fund-raising appearance at a Buddhist temple. IN 2004, he did more than anyone to upend Kerry by playing up a small ad buy by the Swift Boat Veterans. In this campaign season, he has made a virus of the John Edwards $400 haircut...

His audience is decidely right-wing... the audience is 78 percent male... only 8 percent Democratic.

Politico was closely linked to Drudge, often linking its stories; in their eighth story in two weeks on the haircut, they said they were 'reluctantly' covering the story that was getting way too much coverage again, with information justifying the high amount of coverage:

This is bad. When you go to Google and enter "Edwards haircut", the first item that comes up is a story by Bill Wundram in the Quad-City Daily Times of Davenport, Iowa...

The article got 324 comments from readers. When people inside the beltway are talking about your haircut, it doesn't matter much.

When people in Iowa are talking about your haircut, you may have a problem.

As Glenn Greenwald tells this story in "Great American Hypocrites", about how Politico used the Iowa 324 responses to say it HAD to cover it, but didn't want to:

But what Simon omitted is that the reason the item in the Iowa newspaper received so many comments is that Drudge had linked to it, just as he linked to Politico's stories on this "issue." That sent hundreds of thousands of right-wing Drudge fanatics to the Iowa article, producing hundreds of comments."

The media's bias is first the 'corporate' bias - from protecting a pro-corporate ideology, to the low cost of 'fluffy' stories over real issues, especially gossipy attacks the Republican political operatives specialize in; and where is is 'right' of 'left' bias, it follows the OWNERS and PUBLISHERS, to the right far more than the left, with only small outlets for 'the left', such as The Nation, or some MSNBC hosts the last few years (after copying Fox didn't go too well), or single-digit percent of talk radio.

Of course the right has no problem with the conflict between claiming the media is 'left-wing', yet also saying the low representation for the left shows 'the market doesn't want left-wing media', ignoring the facts about the reasons, including all the money that has subsidized the right-wing media.

The constant parroting of the old poll about reporters is nothing but a highly misleading attempt to say something false about 'media bias'.

This thread is about Breitbart, and shouldn't get derailed to 'media bias', but it's almost inevitable for some to make that false attack, so there's this response.

It is telling, though, how the people on the right here are failing to condemn Breitbart as they rush to try to parrot the 'liberal media' talking points.