Lga775 Or P478 Prescott Abit As8??

[Tuscani]

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Hello ALL!!

I have made my decision, I am going Intel P4 3.0 Prescott, BUT before I order I have a question for everyone which lies in should I go with LGA775 Interface OR S478. Heres the deal I just bought an ATI RADEON X800PRO 256 AGP8X video card, so I am not going to be jumping on the PCI-EXPRESS Wagon This time around. That said I need a sound AGP solution from Intel, I have decided to go ABIT and here are the choices I have narrowed down to:

S478
AI7 (865PE With GAT)
IC7 (875P)

LGA775
AS8 (865PE)

Now here is where I need the feedback I need to know by morning so that I can order and have the stuff here by end of week. I have not been able to find anything off the AS8 yet, anyone have this board? Do they LGA775 Prescotts run any cooler?

Thanks a lot in advance, I really need some help picking!

 

[karlreading]

i would go for the 775, simply beacuse later on you will be able to put in a cpu with EM64T ( 64 bit capable ) enabled, there will be no more socket 478 cpu AFAIK, yet the socket 775 is here to stay for atleats a year, and all 800 fsb 775 chips to come shoul work in that motherboard. Im glad to see as well that the 775 mobo you are looking at is a hybrid board : as in it has the new socket, but not all the crap to go with it ( DDR2 / PCI-e ) that makes most 775 platforms so prohebative cost wise. 865 is a great chipset to power your 775 based rig with. of course i would not be poerforming my dutys as a true AMD fanboy without saying R U SURE U DONT WANT A SHINY ATHLON 64???? LOL
all the best with your rig mate
karlos

 

[Tuscani]

Thanks for your great feedback dude, an AMD fanboy but you didn't push the envelope like so many others must do. I am a big athlon fan myself, just going to try the other side for once here and grab up a P4, The AS8 seems like a pretty logical solution right now if you asked me. I just wonder how much longer they will keep making 800FSB CPU's and if the board will support 1066fsb with a bios revision?

 

[Darknessxk]

If you do get this, please post back on how it is. I'm looking at both this board and the gigabyte one and would like to know some opinions. Seeing as how I wont be able to get parts for my new computer for a few weeks, you will probably get it before me.

 

[Tuscani]

Help looking for anymore feedback anyone has for me on this topic?????

 

[humanusj0r]

i posted a thread about this some time ago. i have the same problem, i just got a FireGL X1-128 AGP 8x videocard and was wondering about the PCIe/s775 thing too. i was looking at that same motherboard, AS8, and got to the conclusion that it was better for me than the Gigabyte one.

there's also an ECS 915P-A board which supports AGP AND PCIe at the same time on an Intel 915 chipset/ICH6, but i haven't read any reviews of it.

here's the newegg link - $98

here's the ECS website link

 

[Darknessxk]

Dont get the ECS one. I saw that and another Gigabyte 915 board. Do not get these if you want something with AGP. I did a little read up and either anandtech or tomshardware also did something on it. The fact is that the AGP slots on these boards are not true AGP slots. they run off of the PCIe slots. You could also possibly damage your card this way. If your looking for a LGA775 socket with AGP, you need to choose between Gigabyte and Abit.

Oh ya, humanus, how is the AS8? I heard some people saying that the AGP slot doesn't properly line up with the back of the computer. Also, a few people on the Abit forums have problems booting up. Did you encounter anything?

 

[humanusj0r]

my bad, i don't have the AS8, i was just trying to decide based on thespecs, but now that you mention it, i'll check the Abit forums as well. Anyhow, at monarch they have a warning that one should be careful while placing the processor, because of socket sensitivity or something.

i think that this lga775 technology mixed with 865 or 875 or 915 chipsets won't be doing any good right now. maybe i'll stick to s478 until Intel and the other board manufacturers resolve this whole 775 deal and bring a true AGP solution to this, since PCIe is not exactly cheap at the moment.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Only the "dual" PCIe + AGP mobos cheat and run the AGP off the PCI.

The AS8 is 865-based and has a "real" AGP port.

 

[cirthix]

amd amd amd!!!

 

[skreet]

I belive there is a version of the 915 chipset with DDR2 _and_ AGP, I would go that route, give yourself the ability to go past DDR400 so that if a faster front-side-bus CPU comes out and you want to upgrade you can still match the memory. PC2-3200 and PC2-4200 arn't very far apart in price (Both rediculously expensive!). The X800 shouldn't become depricated too fast, however.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Originally posted by: Darknessxk
Dont get the ECS one. I saw that and another Gigabyte 915 board. Do not get these if you want something with AGP. I did a little read up and either anandtech or tomshardware also did something on it. The fact is that the AGP slots on these boards are not true AGP slots. they run off of the PCIe slots. You could also possibly damage your card this way. If your looking for a LGA775 socket with AGP, you need to choose between Gigabyte and Abit.

Oh ya, humanus, how is the AS8? I heard some people saying that the AGP slot doesn't properly line up with the back of the computer. Also, a few people on the Abit forums have problems booting up. Did you encounter anything?

No damage will occur. You might as well buy a regular PCI card for much less. The bandwidth will be so hampered, and only running on PCI's slow bus.
Underclocking is the way of AGP's future on Intel's 9xx chipssets... LOL.

Now getting back onto topic, if you sell that video card, you got a good down payment for a PCIe video card I see the future in PCIe, but before I jump the gun. I am giving AMD one more chance on a NF2 solution. If it performs well. I am going to upgrade to a more modern platform with PCIe and dump AGP. If it does not perform well, I will never buy AMD products again but will upgrade to a Intel solution with PCIe. I see DDR2 as the mainstay future also, but it is too early to jump on the boat as they are still working things out on Intel's 9xx's being slower than the 865/875 chipsets.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Isn't that strange how no sleep makes you type with such poor grammer.... lol I am too tired to edit the above post. But it is smack on anyways... I think :confised;

 

[exospire]

I am in the same boat as you, choosing which motherboard to get that supports the LGA775 and has AGP/DDR, and I think I have found my solution.

Soltek 865Pro-775

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2169

Seems to me this motherboard is overall better than the ones offered by Gigabyte and Abit, and overclocks extremely well.

 

[Darknessxk]

I saw that too. The reason I didnt say anythign about it earlier was because no one sells it. There is not a single online store that I have found with that board. If someone did find it though, I personally will get that over the gigabyte or abit ones.

"I belive there is a version of the 915 chipset with DDR2 _and_ AGP, I would go that route, give yourself the ability to go past DDR400 so that if a faster front-side-bus CPU comes out and you want to upgrade you can still match the memory. PC2-3200 and PC2-4200 arn't very far apart in price (Both rediculously expensive!). The X800 shouldn't become depricated too fast, however."

Like I and a few others said earlier, any AGP on a 915 chipset is faked. It isn't a real AGP slot. The only boards for you to be able to use both a LGA775 chip and true AGP are the AS8, gigabyte, and the Soltek 865Pro-775.

 

[humanusj0r]

yeah that's right, they call it AGP Xpress, at least the ECS boards.

anyhow, between AS8 and the gigabyte, which one would be better?

 

[Darknessxk]

If I were to buy one right now I would probably get the gigabyte. Though no firewire is kind of bugging me. My opinion might change later though as I still have some time before I have to choose.

 

[Darknessxk]

Haha, btw, another motherboard just came out. The P5P800. from Asus. I might go with this since my computer right now is an asus and I haven't had any problems with them so far and same with my friend.

 

[MikeyC]

I purchased an Athlon 64 3200 and a Gigabyte K8NS Pro baord, but was dismayed to learn that if I wanted to run 3 sticks of DDR400, they would only run at 333 no matter how much I tweaked the volatges and timings. So I took it back after learning that this was endemic to Athlon boards (some will, some won't, but you shouldn't have to play with it for hours and hours just to get it to work) and picked up the AS8 and a Socket T 540.

While not quite as zippy as the Athlon board/chip seemed to be (while roaming around 2D apps and system navigation), the AS8 ran out of the box with four sticks of DDR400 and posted higher numbers in PCMark and 3DMark than the Athlon did.

I'm planning on two Raptors to RAID-0 on the SATA in a few weeks (only have one drive on the IDE), and then I'm sure this board will really fly. As it is, I was able to boot up all the way while overclocked 300mhz without any voltage tweaks with a Thermaltake fan, but I haven't had time to make it stable enough to run any benches just yet.

 

[Adn4n]

May I ask what you'll be doing primarily with your new system?

 

[ChineseDemocracyGNR]

Originally posted by: Darknessxk
I saw that too. The reason I didnt say anythign about it earlier was because no one sells it. There is not a single online store that I have found with that board. If someone did find it though, I personally will get that over the gigabyte or abit ones.

It's out now, here.

 

[Darknessxk]

Oh damn, its on newegg now. Well now my choices are between this and the P5P800 as I don't feel like going with the AS8 as of now.

 

[humanusj0r]

what's wrong about the Abit AS8 ? it seems that not many people like it. that Asus looks great, i've been on Asus for a long time now, and it has never failed.

 

[Darknessxk]

Exactly, that is why I'm leaning towards ASUS right now. I haven't had any problems with them so far. I just dont want to get the Abit one because it has been the only one that I've read problems on. If you go to Abit's forums, you will see a lot people people not being able to boot it properly and they say it doesn't work with certain ram. So I'm probably just going to stick with the ASUS. Its also cheaper by a little

 

[caz67]

Asus LGA775 925X chipset..