LGA 1155 lifetime (will LGA 2011 obsolete it?)

[jcromano]

I've held off building a new rig for the past four months, waiting for Sandy Bridge, because I wanted to buy a processor/mobo combination that would allow for an easy cpu upgrade in approximately two years. And it seemed that the currently available sockets from both Intel and AMD were nearing the end of their lives.

Now SandyBridge is here, and I'm drooling over it. But then I read that there will be a second SandyBridge socket, LGA 2011, introduced later this year, and I wonder what that means for the longterm prospects for LGA 1155. Will 2011 effectively kill 1155, leaving me without an upgrade path (short of replacing the mobo) in two years?

I'm pretty much a novice in all of this, so please be kind with your answers.

Jim

 

[Castiel]

I give it 2 years at the most but in 2 years will still be decent. People are still rocking 775 rigs and SB destroy's them.

 

[stahlhart]

My understanding is that 2011 will be at a higher cost/performance level than 1155. Wasn't that sort of how it is/was with 1156/1366?

I'm going with 1155 because (a) I've gone way too long without an upgrade, and I'm overdue for it, (b) it fits my budget, and (c) based on what I've seen so far, it will meet needs/expectations.

There will always be something newer/better down the road. At some point you just need to pull the trigger.

 

[Castiel]

I'm going with a 2500K and a P67 WS because i have no practical need for it except to waste money

 

[Rifter]

2011 will offer faster chips with more cache and more cores, so it will be superior for sure. It will also have more PCIe lanes. It will also have a full 22nm lineup.

22nm will make it to 1155 too but i doubt more than 4 cores, while 2011 will see 8 core ivy bridge.

Basically the way i see it if you game but not to the point of needing more than dual GPU's then 1155 is fine.

If you need tri or quad sli/crossfire then waiting for 2011 is a good idea, as it will have the pcie lanes, and CPU's to drive such a setup.

Also if you do alot of cpu heavy work thats multithreaded then waiting for 2011 might be a better idea.

 

[Zap]

I've held off building a new rig for the past four months, waiting for Sandy Bridge, because I wanted to buy a processor/mobo combination that would allow for an easy cpu upgrade in approximately two years.

Why worry about it? In 2 years we may have PCIe 3.0 and of course by then USB 3.0 will be chipset integrated, plus who knows what other technologies will arise? New motherboards will be looking really juicy.

I'm going with a 2500K and a P67 WS because i have no practical need for it except to waste money

:thumbsup:

 

[jcromano]

Thanks for all the advice. I can't imagine that I'd ever need or want more than two graphics cards at a time, so I guess I'm safe with 1155 for a while.

You've all been very helpful.

 

[Castiel]

2011 is going to be overkill.

 

[dangerman1337]

Why worry about it? In 2 years we may have PCIe 3.0 and of course by then USB 3.0 will be chipset integrated.

Actually Sandy Bridge - E motherboards (likely X68) will have PCIe 3.0 and native USB 3.0 support is supposedly going to come in 2012 but not sure when, it probably could mean Haswell at the end of 2012 with 7 series Motherboards.

 

[Rifter]

2011 is going to be overkill.

I agree, like i said in my post unless you are going 3+ GPU, which has to be less than 2% of the market you will be fine on 1155.

That said im still planning to go to 2011 from 1366, im just going to wait till the second revision of the chipset and second stepping of the CPU's. I prefer to wait till the bugs are worked out before jumping on a new platform, prices should be lower then as well. And this gives me 2 years to save up

 

[BBMW]

The 1155 and 2011 with serve parallel market segments, in exactly the same way as 1156 and 1366 did. In point of fact though, the performance of the 1155 may be so good that it "pre-obsoletes" the 2011. While the 2011 will have higher capabilities on paper, I don't think it's real world peformance will justify the cost increase over 1155 based systems.

Also, I believe there are processor (higher core count) and chipset upgrades coming down the path for the 1155 platform. I think the market for the 2011 will end up being very thin.

 

[Minjin]

I give it 2 years at the most but in 2 years will still be decent. People are still rocking 775 rigs and SB destroy's them.

I can't wait. I'm still running an E2180 @2.5ghz. I love big upgrades. Incrementals always seem like a waste of time and money. I already have the DDR3, just waiting on some good H67 boards.

 

[mv2devnull]

Now SandyBridge is here, and I'm drooling over it. But then I read that there will be a second SandyBridge socket, LGA 2011, introduced later this year, and I wonder what that means for the longterm prospects for LGA 1155. Will 2011 effectively kill 1155, leaving me without an upgrade path (short of replacing the mobo) in two years?

The safest bet is to assume that no socket has longterm prospects. You can buy a system now and then use it as long as it works. Any upgrade options that might appear will be an unexpected bonus.

2011 is supposed to be quad-channel and possibly dual-processor -able. There is no way that its multi-core setups will take over the cheap consumer/enterprise market. Therefore, 1155 or similar is likely to stay around.

However, it is quite possible that Intel will later publish CPU's for 1155 socket that no current 1155 board can host, or once again change the socket. That is life in business.

 

[moonbogg]

Hi,
New to forums. I am still on a 780i SLI with E8400 and 2x gtx260-216's. I want to upgrade to the P67 platform with dual GTX570's but I have a huge fear. I am mainly looking foreward to battlefield 3 later this year and other games coming out this year as well.
I can just see it now:
BF3 will not run maxed with dual GTX570's, and Kepler GPU's are what the game is designed to run on. Kepler will require PCIe 3.0 to be fully utilized and the only option will be to buy an X68 setup. PCIe 2.0 and P67 will not be able to fully accomodate the large bandwidth needs of Kepler. So at least GPU wise, P67 has zero upgrade path possibilities and anyone upgrading to P67 will be stuck with current GPU performance capabilities and will be left totally out in the cold in regard to BF3 and other high caliber games coming later this year. So, even though higher end P67 boards do have multiple x16 PCIe 2.0 slots, they still won't be enough for any GPU that is much more powerful than the current ones out now.
Thoughts? Am I over paranoid and just uninformed?

 

[Spikesoldier]

Hi,
New to forums. I am still on a 780i SLI with E8400 and 2x gtx260-216's. I want to upgrade to the P67 platform with dual GTX570's but I have a huge fear. I am mainly looking foreward to battlefield 3 later this year and other games coming out this year as well.
I can just see it now:
BF3 will not run maxed with dual GTX570's, and Kepler GPU's are what the game is designed to run on. Kepler will require PCIe 3.0 to be fully utilized and the only option will be to buy an X68 setup. PCIe 2.0 and P67 will not be able to fully accomodate the large bandwidth needs of Kepler. So at least GPU wise, P67 has zero upgrade path possibilities and anyone upgrading to P67 will be stuck with current GPU performance capabilities and will be left totally out in the cold in regard to BF3 and other high caliber games coming later this year. So, even though higher end P67 boards do have multiple x16 PCIe 2.0 slots, they still won't be enough for any GPU that is much more powerful than the current ones out now.
Thoughts? Am I over paranoid and just uninformed?

i think your over paranoid. i would predict that 2500K @ 4.4 and twin 570's should run bf3 maxed @ 1080p

 

[Zap]

The safest bet is to assume that no socket has longterm prospects.

Exactly!

However, it is quite possible that Intel will later publish CPU's for 1155 socket that no current 1155 board can host, or once again change the socket. That is life in business.

I forgot about this, but yes it is a possibility. I remember Intel doing a (relatively speaking) last minute update to Prescott voltages that instantly obsoleted many motherboards that were fully expected to support Prescott.

Also, how about earlier Nvidia LGA 775 boards and their lack of Wolfdale support? Heck, some earlier LGA 775 Intel boards didn't support Conroe even.

Maybe that's why Intel changed sockets? To avoid confusion and returns when people bought CPUs for the same socket, but was incompatible electrically.

Am I over paranoid and just uninformed?

Hello moonbogg, and welcome to AnandTech forums.

Yes, you are being over paranoid.

 

[stahlhart]

Hi,
New to forums. I am still on a 780i SLI with E8400 and 2x gtx260-216's. I want to upgrade to the P67 platform with dual GTX570's but I have a huge fear. I am mainly looking foreward to battlefield 3 later this year and other games coming out this year as well.
I can just see it now:
BF3 will not run maxed with dual GTX570's, and Kepler GPU's are what the game is designed to run on. Kepler will require PCIe 3.0 to be fully utilized and the only option will be to buy an X68 setup. PCIe 2.0 and P67 will not be able to fully accomodate the large bandwidth needs of Kepler. So at least GPU wise, P67 has zero upgrade path possibilities and anyone upgrading to P67 will be stuck with current GPU performance capabilities and will be left totally out in the cold in regard to BF3 and other high caliber games coming later this year. So, even though higher end P67 boards do have multiple x16 PCIe 2.0 slots, they still won't be enough for any GPU that is much more powerful than the current ones out now.
Thoughts? Am I over paranoid and just uninformed?

And here I am worrying about whether or not I'll be able to afford to see a doctor when I'm retired...

 

[wirednuts]

i dont know where these people get the money either. it seems like they spend over $3k every year on computers. that would be like me spending $21k on my used truck 7 years ago when i only had to spend the $7k that i actually did.

 

[Zap]

i dont know where these people get the money either. it seems like they spend over $3k every year on computers. that would be like me spending $21k on my used truck 7 years ago when i only had to spend the $7k that i actually did.

See, it's like this. Used parts have resale value. If the used part is only 6-12 months old, the resale value can be a decent portion of the new value, especially if you choose wisely and don't go for the lowest end (most worthless) or the highest end (drops the most value when something new comes out). So, spending $3k/year on parts might mean receiving $1.5k selling the old parts after the year, so really you've only spent $1.5k. Spending $3k let's say every 4 years might mean getting $300 back in resale value after that time. Do you still save money if you upgrade less often? Yes. However, frequent upgrades don't necessarily mean you're spending anywhere near that whole amount either.

Come to think of it, sometimes I've gotten back 80-90% of my cost when upgrading after 6-9 months if nothing new came out in the meantime and I got a super hot deal on it.

 

[smangular]

Actually Sandy Bridge - E motherboards (likely X68) will have PCIe 3.0 and native USB 3.0 support is supposedly going to come in 2012 but not sure when, it probably could mean Haswell at the end of 2012 with 7 series Motherboards.

PCIe 3.0 is possible as it was ratified late 2011 although Its usefulness is not clear for Graphics cards in 2011 other than perhaps PCIe lane starved multi GPU setups.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...Group_Publishes_PCI_Express_3_0_Standard.html

 

[Patrick Wolf]

What the hell is Sandy Bridge-E? If that's Ivy Bridge why wouldn't Anand just say that?

It couldn't be... because he says it'll have no integrated GPU, however that seems incorrect as both wiki and this article states that it will. Wiki also says it's 1155 compatible, while Anand says it requires s2011. He also said Ivy Bridge only adds 4 EUs to the array, but wiki says up to 24... so who's right?

 

[Mark R]

What the hell is Sandy Bridge-E? If that's Ivy Bridge why wouldn't Anand just say that?

Sandy Bridge E is supposed to mean socket 2011 CPUs without GPU - intended for high-end workstations.

 

[biostud]

2011 will not make 1155 obsolete but socket 1154 wil