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LFA Dynoed

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exdeath said:
Comparing this car to a Mustang is retarded. Compare it to Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and Aston Martins that are all better in many areas, and still half the p price.
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Lexus LFA - 3263lb, 552hp; 3263/552=5.9lb/hp
Ferrari 599GTB Fiorano - 3722lb, 612hp; 3722/612=6.1lb/hp
Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 - 3458lb, 552hp; 3458/552= 6.26lb/hp
Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro - 3571lb, 518hp; 3571/518=6.90lb/hp

I'm pretty sure it is faster than you give it credit for, and based on this dyno the HP is likely highly underrated. Considering the 599GTB puts out roughly the same power on a (admittedly different) dyno. The 599GTB and LFA are within .2 seconds of each other to 100mph. The LFA pulls higher Gs on the skid pad and stops faster as well.
 
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SonicIce said:
why would anyone buy this when a ferrari or lamborghini costs less and performs better
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because this is unique. because it is supremely engineered (ask anyone who has driven it or even seen all the little bits).

i'm no toyota fanboy by any means, but they put detail into every little touch on this car.

and a yamaha-tuned engine? YES PLEASE.
 
Hehe. That must have been a cherry picked loaner they gave to Edmunds. The stock figures put it at 552hp at the crank. If they put down 515 on the dyno, there's no way that car was production vehicle. Its been tuned.

Also I could be wrong but shouldn't you not be down shifting on a dyno? Pretty sure they tell you to put it in neutral and let them use the brake on the dyno to stop the wheels. Although I suppose this thing is probably paddle shifted with no manual clutch so I guess you might have to down shift.
 
Fenixgoon said:
because this is unique. because it is supremely engineered (ask anyone who has driven it or even seen all the little bits).

i'm no toyota fanboy by any means, but they put detail into every little touch on this car.

and a yamaha-tuned engine? YES PLEASE.
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Yamaha + Toyota always result in good things 😀
 
SonicIce said:
why would anyone buy this when a ferrari or lamborghini costs less and performs better
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I don't think there are any current production Ferraris or Lamborghinis that perform better. Still, the Murcielago LP 670-4 SV probably does. Reventon doesn't count as it's a million+.
 
Howard said:
I don't think there are any current production Ferraris or Lamborghinis that perform better. Still, the Murcielago LP 670-4 SV probably does. Reventon doesn't count as it's a million+.
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Ahem.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1101_ferrari_458_italia_vs_ducati_1198_s/specs.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1008_2012_lexus_lfa_2010_nissan_gtr_comparison/specs.html

0-60 as tested, 3.0 vs. 3.8
0-100 7.0 vs. 7.9
1/4 mile 11.1@125.2 vs. 11.8@123.7
Top Speed* 202mph vs. 202mph
Passing 45-65 1.4 vs. 1.5
Braking 60-0 99' vs. 94'
Lateral Accel 1.02g vs. 1.05g
Price $230,275 vs. $370,000


Seems pretty close to me 🙂 F458 wins all straight-line runs handily, and is a hair away on the braking and lateral accel numbers. All for $160k less.

* = Top speed numbers confirmed from other tests.

EDIT = Predictably, the bike purely annihilates both of them in almost all areas.
 
Arkaign said:
Ahem.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1101_ferrari_458_italia_vs_ducati_1198_s/specs.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1008_2012_lexus_lfa_2010_nissan_gtr_comparison/specs.html

0-60 as tested, 3.0 vs. 3.8
0-100 7.0 vs. 7.9
1/4 mile 11.1@125.2 vs. 11.8@123.7
Top Speed* 202mph vs. 202mph
Passing 45-65 1.4 vs. 1.5
Braking 60-0 99' vs. 94'
Lateral Accel 1.02g vs. 1.05g
Price $230,275 vs. $370,000


Seems pretty close to me 🙂 F458 wins all straight-line runs handily, and is a hair away on the braking and lateral accel numbers. All for $160k less.

* = Top speed numbers confirmed from other tests.

EDIT = Predictably, the bike purely annihilates both of them in almost all areas.
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Hm, my bad
 
Howard said:
I don't think there are any current production Ferraris or Lamborghinis that perform better. Still, the Murcielago LP 670-4 SV probably does. Reventon doesn't count as it's a million+.
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I'd be surprised if the new shooting brake doesn't. 651hp with AWD, dual clutch transmission. Plus, the Challenge version of the 458 should be out soon (and actually the 458 already should be pretty competitive with this). The 599GTO I believe the Avantador is actually almost in production (close enough to be considered) and it should be a big step up over the Murcielago.

The LFA is a weird car. Not that great of performance (far from awful, but still), most of it really doesn't translate into much for Toyota, the costs are way out of whack, and most of the engineering seems to have gone to waste. Its cool, but, there's just something about it that just makes you go, meh, and that's before you even get to the price.

Its the same with that Honda that's been sorta around.

Funny thing is, I feel the same way about the 90s Japanese sports cars like the RX-7, Supra, NSX, etc.

Even the GT-R almost feels that way, if it weren't for the ridiculous performance and price.

Now, the GT-R's chassis and transmission, paired with the LFA's engine, in a modern NSX body would be amazing.

I definitely agree about the sound though.

This would be a perfect engine for a new Esprit. Get it below 3000lbs or around the LF-A's weight with AWD maybe. Basically a Lotus version of the Audi R8 V10.
 
Arkaign said:
Ahem.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1101_ferrari_458_italia_vs_ducati_1198_s/specs.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1008_2012_lexus_lfa_2010_nissan_gtr_comparison/specs.html

0-60 as tested, 3.0 vs. 3.8
0-100 7.0 vs. 7.9
1/4 mile 11.1@125.2 vs. 11.8@123.7
Top Speed* 202mph vs. 202mph
Passing 45-65 1.4 vs. 1.5
Braking 60-0 99' vs. 94'
Lateral Accel 1.02g vs. 1.05g
Price $230,275 vs. $370,000


Seems pretty close to me 🙂 F458 wins all straight-line runs handily, and is a hair away on the braking and lateral accel numbers. All for $160k less.

* = Top speed numbers confirmed from other tests.

EDIT = Predictably, the bike purely annihilates both of them in almost all areas.
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I agree that the 458 completely demolishes it from a performance perspective, but I feel like they're also very different categories of vehicles. The LFA is a GT car, the 458 is a race car on the street. In Ferrari's lineup the 599 makes far more sense.


That being said... [bieber screamer voice]GOD I WANT A 458 SO FREAKING BAD.[/bieber screamer voice]
 
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crazySOB297 said:
I agree that the 458 completely demolishes it from a performance perspective, but I feel like they're also very different categories of vehicles. The LFA is a GT car, the 458 is a race car on the street. In Ferrari's lineup the 599 makes far more sense.


That being said... [bieber screamer voice]GOD I WANT A 458 SO FREAKING BAD.[/bieber screamer voice]
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Hehehe. My math was a little bit off I just noticed, it's actually only ~$140k different, which to someone with 100+ million dollars, I guess those people just get both 😛

And yes, the F458 is extremely exciting! It looks like insane fun when taken to the limit, so controlled and balanced. When you see most cars at the limit, they look like they're chewing their tires and about to go completely off the rails, but something about the F458 looks like it's begging for more at that point.

I'm rewatching the review now 😀

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbML_lrq_d4&playnext=1&list=PL621D2ACBD57AB0A5
 
^10 second driver

You can't compare the two cars. They're two different cars serving two different purposes.
 
I don't get all the love over the 'engineering' of the car. It is not $370,000 fast, but the engine sounds awesome. So what? It is only good engineering if that translates into exceptional performance. The look and sound of the car can be had with exceptionally poor engineering. Not a terrible car, but stop with the engineering talk because there is nothing that indicates this car does anything much better (or even competitively) with other cars in it's class. If it looks great, awesome, some people will buy it for that (good for them) but don't hype engineering when it doesn't appear to add anything appreciable to the car.
 
ExarKun333 said:
I don't get all the love over the 'engineering' of the car. It is not $370,000 fast, but the engine sounds awesome. So what? It is only good engineering if that translates into exceptional performance. The look and sound of the car can be had with exceptionally poor engineering. Not a terrible car, but stop with the engineering talk because there is nothing that indicates this car does anything much better (or even competitively) with other cars in it's class. If it looks great, awesome, some people will buy it for that (good for them) but don't hype engineering when it doesn't appear to add anything appreciable to the car.
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Look at the weight in comparison to it's nearest competitors such as the Murcielago, 599 GTB, Aston DBS, etc. If you thing good engineering doesn't anything appreciable to a car unless it directly affects performance, you're an idiot. The way you sit in the car, it's stance, the quality of the materials, the way it feels when you turn the wheel, those are due to solid engineering.

A poorly engineered car can still be fast (see Ultimate Aero) without having any of the qualities you want to be in a super car. You want to have great road feel, you want to have an interior that makes you feel like a race car driver (and stay comfortable), you want the car to have a solid thud when you close the doors.
 
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geokilla said:
^10 second driver

You can't compare the two cars. They're two different cars serving two different purposes.
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No they arent.. and this is coming from the same publication that is doing all the other coverage on the car this week.
So they agree it is very comparable..
super car to super car.

Please just because the car costs 450k doesn't mean it's worthy of the status that comes with it. Weight, HP, performance etc.. puts it right in the same class with the GT-R and many other 100K-200k super cars.. very worthy comparison.
 
CVSiN said:
No they arent.. and this is coming from the same publication that is doing all the other coverage on the car this week.
So they agree it is very comparable..
super car to super car.

Please just because the car costs 450k doesn't mean it's worthy of the status that comes with it. Weight, HP, performance etc.. puts it right in the same class with the GT-R and many other 100K-200k super cars.. very worthy comparison.
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A Bentley Mulsanne has similar weight, hp, and performance to a Ford F250 as well. We should start comparing them. The GTR and LFA aren't aimed at the same person, Jesus, wtf don't you get about this?

I'ts funny that you guys bitch because Lexus is going to sell every single one of them.
 
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crazySOB297 said:
A Bentley Mulsanne has similar weight, hp, and performance to a Ford F250 as well. We should start comparing them. The GTR and LFA aren't aimed at the same person, Jesus, wtf don't you get about this?

I'ts funny that you guys bitch because Lexus is going to sell every single one of them.
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Well they're both Japanese not-quite-exotics. The same ricers are nutting over both of them. I'm guessing the same rich guidos aren't going to buy either because they'd rather have a Ferrari.

The LFA also looks suspiciously similar to the GT-R. The triangular headlights make it almost like a family resemblance.
 
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