Let's say you recieved a spreadsheet and ...

[alkemyst]

This was a huge goof by someone and only sent to one person. I don't think they even realize they left the tab in the workbook.

I am not sure what they should or should not do, but it shows room to negotiate their salary.

I told them it's like the golden egg of what they really don't want them to know.

Å

 

[captains]

rename tab 2 to salaries
forward allusers

 

[spidey07]

Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

 

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

wow......a little hostile take over hum? hehe

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

wow......a little hostile take over hum? hehe

Heh, it's all a game. You just have to know how to play.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

then you get the deal you want, destroy the file (to them at least) and get laid off 3 weeks later due to lack of funds. company didnt lose much, no one else knows about it.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

Kinky... I like it!

 

[ScottFern]

Were you happy with what you saw?

 

[Linflas]

Funny thing, a large Fortune 500 company that I used to work for sent out an email to all employees in certain career bands telling us that they were disappointed that we had not contributed to the corporate PAC like they requested. That email included a link to a speadsheet on the corporate intranet with the names of all of us that did not contribute. The spreadsheet evidently was created from a database that contained all our information, name, address, salary etc and whoever was responsible for creating it had simply marked the columns containing all the personal info as not visible. Since I was coming in at 6 AM I was one of the people that got to see the spreadsheet and save it to my desktop. A co-worker noticed that the other info was there and available for anyone to see by simply unchecking the hidden property.

By 8:30 AM the link was broken and about 2 hours later all references to it were removed. Everyone in the office by then was calling the email the Paulie Walnuts PAC email and I managed to print out a version with the corporate logo modified to include a pic of Paulie. I am guessing the corporate lawyers saw the email and had a fit about the implications well before anyone realized that the speadsheet also contained all that private info.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

Well they did immediately email it to themselves and then to me and asked what do I think?

I said it really depends on what they want to accomplish (they want more money of course), and that more than likely using the list will result in the sender being terminated.

 

[dullard]

If I didn't already know all of the salaries, I would delete the file immediately. I've seen such files bring a business down to its knees in a gloryous ball of fire.

[*]Person A sees she is jipped and quits.
[*]Person B demands more money even though he isn't a model employee, gets rejected, and creates a horrible office scene for months on end.
[*]Person C demands more money, gets it even though the company can't afford it, and then the compay can't hire Person D to replace person A get the work done. Now everyone is overworked.

Repeat. Suddenly you have 1/3rd fewer employees, 1/3rd of the employees are angry and making everyone miserable, and 1/3rd of the employees are paid too much and are thus overworked in a nasty work environment. The whole company collapses soon.

Been there, done that.

You are paid less because (1) you aren't a good worker, (2) you didn't demand to be paid more, or (3) your company is on the verge of layoffs and can't afford it. You don't need to have a spreadsheet to get paid more. Either (1) become a good worker, (2) demand a raise, or (3) realize you are at a dead end position in which case a spreadsheet won't help.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Linflas
Funny thing, a large Fortune 500 company that I used to work for sent out an email to all employees in certain career bands telling us that they were disappointed that we had not contributed to the corporate PAC like they requested. That email included a link to a speadsheet on the corporate intranet with the names of all of us that did not contribute. The spreadsheet evidently was created from a database that contained all our information, name, address, salary etc and whoever was responsible for creating it had simply marked the columns containing all the personal info as not visible. Since I was coming in at 6 AM I was one of the people that got to see the spreadsheet and save it to my desktop. A co-worker noticed that the other info was there and available for anyone to see by simply unchecking the hidden property.

By 8:30 AM the link was broken and about 2 hours later all references to it were removed. Everyone in the office by then was calling the email the Paulie Walnuts PAC email and I managed to print out a version with the corporate logo modified to include a pic of Paulie. I am guessing the corporate lawyers saw the email and had a fit about the implications well before anyone realized that the speadsheet also contained all that private info.

theres a salesman i deal with that does this for his mark up. he left the macros for figuring his profit as well as his price in the sheet also, so ive been watching how his markup changes. if his software is sole sourced his mark up has been up to 35 and 38%, where it will be down to 12 and 15% if he is bidding against a competitor. pretty shady. my mark up is 20% all the time. if its a contractor i hire a lot ill give a 5% break but for general customers its 20%

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: dullard
If I didn't already know all of the salaries, I would delete the file immediately. I've seen such files bring a business down to its knees in a gloryous ball of fire.

[*]Person A sees she is jipped and quits.
[*]Person B demands more money even though he isn't a model employee, gets rejected, and creates a horrible office scene for months on end.
[*]Person C demands more money, gets it even though the company can't afford it, and then the compay can't hire Person D to replace person A get the work done. Now everyone is overworked.

Repeat. Suddenly you have 1/3rd fewer employees, 1/3rd of the employees are angry and making everyone miserable, and 1/3rd of the employees are paid too much and are thus overworked in a nasty work environment. The whole company collapses soon.

Been there, done that.

You are paid less because (1) you aren't a good worker, (2) you didn't demand to be paid more, or (3) your company is on the verge of layoffs and can't afford it. You don't need to have a spreadsheet to get paid more. Either (1) become a good worker, (2) demand a raise, or (3) realize you are at a dead end position in which case a spreadsheet won't help.

i would say that's the absolute worst case scenario

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

That would be a very bad idea.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dullard
If I didn't already know all of the salaries, I would delete the file immediately. I've seen such files bring a business down to its knees in a gloryous ball of fire.

[*]Person A sees she is jipped and quits.
[*]Person B demands more money even though he isn't a model employee, gets rejected, and creates a horrible office scene for months on end.
[*]Person C demands more money, gets it even though the company can't afford it, and then the compay can't hire Person D to replace person A get the work done. Now everyone is overworked.

Repeat. Suddenly you have 1/3rd fewer employees, 1/3rd of the employees are angry and making everyone miserable, and 1/3rd of the employees are paid too much and are thus overworked in a nasty work environment. The whole company collapses soon.

Been there, done that.

You are paid less because (1) you aren't a good worker, (2) you didn't demand to be paid more, or (3) your company is on the verge of layoffs and can't afford it. You don't need to have a spreadsheet to get paid more. Either (1) become a good worker, (2) demand a raise, or (3) realize you are at a dead end position in which case a spreadsheet won't help.

i would say that's the absolute worst case scenario

My friend came on a little low, but the match was good for them and has been getting steady raises every 6months to 1 year, it was when there wasn't so much of a shortage for their line of work. They have a lot of responsibilites as they have been there a while now...however; new hires are coming on at a higher rate of pay (about 10%) and this is what they are concerned about. Especially since at their last review they were told to 'wait' until the end of last year for consideration...then they were told well the market is slow so give them until mid-year. Since that is when they have been hiring more people at the higher rate.

I looked at the sheet on a whole and they are all in the upper half of pay with the top 24% being all management....however; the new guys are making more money with less skills and responsibilites as there is a shortage in our area for that job.

I don't know what to tell them. They don't know why they should wait any longer.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

That would be a very bad idea.

Not really, you could share with your boss and both of you could get a little extra because of it.

win-win.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

That would be a very bad idea.

Not really, you could share with your boss and both of you could get a little extra because of it.

win-win.

In theory. Not in reality.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: JS80
i would say that's the absolute worst case scenario

True, but letting this information get out is never a good idea. You could potentially take advantage of it and help yourself or a friend. But never, ever share it with any significant portion of the company.

 

[DeadByDawn]

I would try for the raise, but never acknowledge you saw the #'s. Just because you "know" doesn't mean you deserve anything.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

wow......a little hostile take over hum? hehe

Heh, it's all a game. You just have to know how to play.

Yeah good luck with that. :thumbsup:

 

[vi edit]

It's really only an issue in small(er) and/or private companies that do not have defined or structured positions/ranges.

I worked for 5 years in that type of an environment. I was actually assigned by HR to do Crystal Reports for all salaries/bonuses for employees in the company. I knew down to the penny how much somebody made per paycheck and how much they were being bonused. It was interesting knowing how much somebody made, but I never used that as a barganing chip. I'm just not that type of person.

My father's salary is publicy posted in the paper each year. My wife has been in similar siutations where her salary was public information (municipal and state workers, respectively).

In my current position the jobs pay a defined range of pay with about 10k-20k of float between the ranges. I really don't care what somebody else makes. I just know that I am satisfied with my pay and that it is a fair wage. Would I take more? Sure, but would I use this for vindictive reasons? No way.

As far as what I would do, I would notifiy the sender that I received it and probably my manager as well for a CYA policy. I'd delete it and go on my merry way.

 

[VTHodge]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: JS80
i would say that's the absolute worst case scenario

True, but letting this information get out is never a good idea. You could potentially take advantage of it and help yourself or a friend. But never, ever share it with any significant portion of the company.

True true. I wouldn't tell a single other person. Those who think they can get it should ask for more. But you can't use that sheet as an argument. You know you shouldn't have it.

I would also let the errant person know they sent it to you. Someone will realize it eventually and might ask why you didn't do the "right thing".

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This was a huge goof by someone and only sent to one person. I don't think they even realize they left the tab in the workbook.

I am not sure what they should or should not do, but it shows room to negotiate their salary.

I told them it's like the golden egg of what they really don't want them to know.

Å

Copy the info to another page so it can;t be traced and do a blind forward from a free e-mail account, like yahoo.

As the saying goes, the truth will set you free.

 

[Mermaidman]

Some secrets are too good to share with everyone. Use the knowledge, but keep it to yourself!

e.g. Before USAirways revamped their website, I found a glitch that allowed me to choose any seat I want, even those reserved for their elite flyers. It wouldn't have benefitted me to publicize that info :evil:

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Immediately copy to thumb drive and e-mail to gmail account.

Begin negotiations. If it gets sticky, present proof. Threaten to e-mail to entire company if demands are not met and be prepared to follow through.

this did happen to me...

I did a TON of work, and things would pretty much die when I took a day off, of if they had me go out of town...

I didn't tell them I had it, but I did ask for (and get) a ~28% pay raise this year