AlienCraft
Lifer
Repudiate with facts and not aspersions and rhetoric, or stfu.
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Lets say you brother has a sex change operation done...
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thahenchman
Member
what an educated response :roll:
for the first 7 weeks the fetus is undifferentiated. The imput of androgens triggers the basic organs to differentiate into male organs. Fetus with only one x chromosome (and no hormonal triggering develop external femine sex organs) lead to the concept that male hormones must be added and the basic development of the fetus is feminine. any legitimate published medical text will tell you that.
here's a website on sex development in humans - educate yourself
BoberFett
Lifer
Science lessons aside...
Psychologically, I've wondered about people that want a sex change. While transgenders generally seem to ally with with the gay, lesbian, and bisexual community (both politically and socially) the mindset of transgenders seems opposite of the opinions of the other three sexual choices.
The consensus among gays, lesbians, and bisexuals is that their sexual orientation is not a choice but is due to their DNA. By that logic, they then argue that their sexual orientation is natural and not a "sin" or something to be "fixed". They want to be accepted for who they are and what they are by nature.
Transgenders on the other hand see their body as a mistake. They feel like they were born in a body of the wrong sex. They don't want to be accepted as they are, but as who they could become after radical surgery.
Given this dichotomy, who are we supposed to believe? If homosexuality is natural and to be embraced, then shouldn't transexuals embrace who they are? Conversely, if nature can be wrong and actually assign the wrong sex to a person which needs surgery to fix, then couldn't homosexuality also be a mistake of nature which rather than surgery requires a psychiatrist to fix?
Personally, I side with the GLB who simply want to be accepted as nature created them, and not so much with the T who need to change sexes to fit in. Transexuals actually do seem like more a of a psychological problem to me, needing serious help to learn to accept themselves as is rather than adding/removing a penis to feel whole. That and some of them really creep me out. Most men can't become believable women and vice versa. 😛
Psychologically, I've wondered about people that want a sex change. While transgenders generally seem to ally with with the gay, lesbian, and bisexual community (both politically and socially) the mindset of transgenders seems opposite of the opinions of the other three sexual choices.
The consensus among gays, lesbians, and bisexuals is that their sexual orientation is not a choice but is due to their DNA. By that logic, they then argue that their sexual orientation is natural and not a "sin" or something to be "fixed". They want to be accepted for who they are and what they are by nature.
Transgenders on the other hand see their body as a mistake. They feel like they were born in a body of the wrong sex. They don't want to be accepted as they are, but as who they could become after radical surgery.
Given this dichotomy, who are we supposed to believe? If homosexuality is natural and to be embraced, then shouldn't transexuals embrace who they are? Conversely, if nature can be wrong and actually assign the wrong sex to a person which needs surgery to fix, then couldn't homosexuality also be a mistake of nature which rather than surgery requires a psychiatrist to fix?
Personally, I side with the GLB who simply want to be accepted as nature created them, and not so much with the T who need to change sexes to fit in. Transexuals actually do seem like more a of a psychological problem to me, needing serious help to learn to accept themselves as is rather than adding/removing a penis to feel whole. That and some of them really creep me out. Most men can't become believable women and vice versa. 😛
eits
Lifer
that's the response of someone who knows he doesn't really know jack-****** about embryology.
since i'm getting my doctorate, i guess it would be appropriate to say that i learn my "junk science" from textbooks and credible doctors and professors.
so, i guess all well-educated people in the healthcare/medical profession who have actually studied courses like embryology, for one, are learning "junk science."
being gay is just as sinful as being straight.... it's all about lust. that's all. fundamentalists (who, unfortunately, give christianity a bad name) are too damn stupid and way too bigotted to figure that out.
No not really.
If he didn't admit he was gay...how would I have known? He struggled with it for quite a while and I was actually one of the first people he talked to about it.
I never said anyone deserved death. I warned about consequences that could occur in this world...and whether anyone likes it or not it can, has, and will happen.
I did not say that anyone was disgusting. I said that it disgusts me, which is completely different...and I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, but a possible situation that would disgust me.
Hacks was not said in an insulting way and if you took it as such then I apologize. I do believe differently than a lot of these psychologists etc. I have taken several courses on the topic (and other related ones) and though I'm not an expert on it I am neither ignorant about it.
I've never been one for following the "rules" of society. I'm different, I'm outspoken...I'm not at all politically correct, I don't give a damn about what other people think because of it either. If you actually knew me you would have a completely different opinion of me. But most of my personality is lost in translation into a post on a message board.
As for your last comment, thankfully that will never happen.
AlienCraft
Lifer
Empathy is one quality you seem to be in dire need of.
You seem to have plenty of youthful arrogance.
As for my last comment, the pun was emphasised for your benefit and the "little secret" I referred to could be ANYTHING. People most often keep secrets out of a fear of loss. Unless one is totally and completely honest about everything, which I highly doubt ever occurs, one must at some point acknowledge how much we depend on other's acceptance of us inspite of our faults in order to move through our daily lives.
Again, I say if YOU don't agree with Sexual Reassignment Surgery, Don't have one.
But don't think your opinion of other's having one holds much sway, nor does your opinion allow you the luxury of denigrating and marginalizing those that do want / need one.
You seem to have plenty of youthful arrogance.
As for my last comment, the pun was emphasised for your benefit and the "little secret" I referred to could be ANYTHING. People most often keep secrets out of a fear of loss. Unless one is totally and completely honest about everything, which I highly doubt ever occurs, one must at some point acknowledge how much we depend on other's acceptance of us inspite of our faults in order to move through our daily lives.
Again, I say if YOU don't agree with Sexual Reassignment Surgery, Don't have one.
But don't think your opinion of other's having one holds much sway, nor does your opinion allow you the luxury of denigrating and marginalizing those that do want / need one.
BoberFett
Lifer
Gussy it up all you want, there's no such thing as "Sexual Reassignment Surgery". You can can add or subtract fake parts all day but you can reassign somebody's sex. In the end it's still just plastic surgery, and all the hormones in the world won't change who you are. Ask Michael Jackson.
AlienCraft
Lifer
The correct term for the procedure is exactly that. Dumb it down all you want, but there's much more to it than being "just plastic surgery". You don't know as much about "it" as you think you do.
BoberFett
Lifer
What are your qualifications for knowing about "it"? You know a couple of transsexuals? That's about as good an argument as the old "I know a black guy, so I know everything about blacks" argument. You said it yourself above, gender dysphoria is a recognized malady. One which should be treated with psychiatry, not surgery.
NikPreviousAcct
No Lifer
You would until they try to kill you and your mother. Fvck my family.
cavemanmoron
Lifer
LOL I don't have a brother.
TomKazansky
Golden Member
why do you even support him/her in the first place?
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