Let's play "what if...."

[akugami]

Straight up horse poo. "a rectangle screen with rounded corners."
A sad world we live in.

it really cant understand how such a BS patent even gets approved

Wow. You guys must be a lot smarter than I am. You can dissect a whole patent, which can run multiple pages, by one small part of one sentence and tell if it is valid or not. Not even a whole sentence mind you. Just a fragment of a sentence.

Can you tell me if, "simultaneously tracking multiple finger and palm contacts" is a valid patent?


Seriously, this issue has been covered already and the same complaints by forum posters have been raised over and over. The only thing new is, Apple seems to be (for now) winning the court battles. I think it bears repeating that this is not a patent infringement lawsuit. This is Trade Dress, or whatever it's called in Europe. The Australian courts also have granted an injunction against Samsung. Germany has done so.

Here's a pretty good article with a comparison of the two products.

part one
part three
The link to part 2 seems to be down.

 

[foghorn67]

I :wub: my MBA 3rd gen, just put a clear mCover on it a few mintes ago, and a silicone keyboard cover.

Pics? Err, update your thread on that. I wanna see.

 

[Mopetar]

Here's a pretty good article with a comparison of the two products.

part one
part three
The link to part 2 seems to be down.

Thanks for the links. That actually looks like a good explanation and an interesting read.

 

[pm]

Thanks for the links. That actually looks like a good explanation and an interesting read.

Yes, I agree with Mopetar, that's a very interesting link. Thanks for that.

 

[theeedude]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/sanjay-jha-hints-at-motorolas-plans-to-collect-patent-royalties/

As a I've been thinking, it's not just an Android vs iOS vs WP7 but more of manufacturer vs manufacturer thing. Taxing HTC with patent levees could simply send Android people towards Motorola, may even turn HTC into a contract manufacturer for a more IP endowed Android player.

 

[Mopetar]

HTC is one of the most profitable third party handset manufacturers, even after they pay Microsoft royalties for each Android device. Even if they get stuck eating additional costs from Apple, Oracle, or other companies, they've got more give room than the others.

 

[vshah]

very very interesting editorial today from Nilay Patel:

http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/11/broken-patent-system/

 

[foghorn67]

very very interesting editorial today from Nilay Patel:

http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/11/broken-patent-system/

It's an effing rant only penned with a delectable assortment of quality delivery and pacing.
Let me repeat that, it's a rant.
It's re-sprouting common knowledge to anybody that has been reading up on the technology patent wars that have took place in the past 15+ years. Even in the most casual manner.
He insults anybody that thinks differently.
He misses the point on why people want it fixed. Not just misunderstanding it, but it's like he showed up to the wrong class and started debating with the teacher on the wrong subject. That's how off it is.
But so many people need information digested to them like little baby birds. Therefore Patel is a god amongst nerds that also think they are intellectual.
It's like he doesn't want the patent system to get fixed because he will lose that ****ing courtroom drama that he based his whole life wacking off to.
It can be "fixed". But it probably won't.

 

[Mopetar]

A simple, "I don't think it's a very good article." would have probably been sufficient.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I thought it was pretty good, and liked it, he alluded to it in the last podcast, and he has a great point.

I don't think Google will really push patent reform as it has the potential to significantly affect it's core business. Although it would be funny as hell to watch "the smartest guys in the room" publicly cut their own throats.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Are you ready for Motorola to start suing other Android manufacturers?

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/11/an...s-motorola-considers-collecting-ip-royalties/

Holy crap...

 

[theeedude]

I thought it was pretty good, and liked it, he alluded to it in the last podcast, and he has a great point.

I don't think Google will really push patent reform as it has the potential to significantly affect it's core business. Although it would be funny as hell to watch "the smartest guys in the room" publicly cut their own throats.

Even if MS used every search patent google had to build a search engine, it wouldn't hurt Google. Hell, they even tried using Google's results directly and people didn't care for it. But MS can hurt Android and Google with lawsuits.

 

[sciwizam]

Are you ready for Motorola to start suing other Android manufacturers?

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/11/an...s-motorola-considers-collecting-ip-royalties/

Holy crap...

Google can easily curb this idiocy...no Google Apps for Moto. Moto can have fun with the AOSP code.

 

[Mopetar]

Google can easily curb this idiocy...no Google Apps for Moto. Moto can have fun with the AOSP code.

I don't think Google would go that far. They're already catching enough flack for some of the things they've been doing with regards to Android already.

 

[Pliablemoose]

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/samsung-pleaded-unsuccessfully-against.html

Seems that Samsung was untruthful and is trying to spin the truth a bit when it claimed it had no chance to defend itself...

 

[smartpatrol]

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/motorola-doesnt-have-license-to-kill.html

Another very interesting post about Motorola potentially going after other Android device manufacturers.

He speculates that Motorola could even get out of the Android game altogether and switch to WP7. That way they could sue everybody without fear of countersuits targeting their own Android phones.

It sounds crazy. . . but when you consider that Motorola's handset division is actually losing money, it actually makes sense.

The Android market is going to get really ugly in the next year or so. . .

 

[Pliablemoose]

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/motorola-doesnt-have-license-to-kill.html

Another very interesting post about Motorola potentially going after other Android device manufacturers.

He speculates that Motorola could even get out of the Android game altogether and switch to WP7. That way they could sue everybody without fear of countersuits targeting their own Android phones.

It sounds crazy. . . but when you consider that Motorola's handset division is actually losing money, it actually makes sense.

The Android market is going to get really ugly in the next year or so. . .

I'll never forget how pissed Sanjay looked when he was onstage and the Google folks announced the Nexus One. It was just after the orig Droid was released and was making some serious noise with sales and really brought Android to the public's attention.

I have no doubt Moto will do something, and they were/are working on their own OS.

 

[foghorn67]

Motorola loves to burn bridges. Eff those guys as well. I hope the talented engineers leave for something better. I'm this close to willing Motorola to the cornfield.

 

[theeedude]

MMI enterprise value is lower than what Nortel Patents went for.
$7.27B Market cap, $3.05B in cash, and only $0.1B in debt, enterprise value of $4.3B.
That is with 3X as many patents of all sorts. Google should bid for Motorola Mobility.
They can then keep the patents and sell the handset business off to a Chinese manufacturer, like IBM sold the PC business to Lenovo.

 

[theeedude]

MMI enterprise value is lower than what Nortel Patents went for.
$7.27B Market cap, $3.05B in cash, and only $0.1B in debt, enterprise value of $4.3B.
That is with 3X as many patents of all sorts. Google should bid for Motorola Mobility.
They can then keep the patents and sell the handset business off to a Chinese manufacturer, like IBM sold the PC business to Lenovo.

Looks like I called it the night before. Too bad they didn't wait for me to load up on MMI
Basically, after taking out cash, it's paying $9.5B. But, expect it to unload the handset business in a hurry once they transfer the patents. That's why they said it will operate as a separate entity. Google doesn't want to be competing with its partners.

 

[Mopetar]

I imagine this should be enough to end most of the outright litigation from Apple and Microsoft, but it still doesn't solve the Oracle problem. It will also be interesting to see how it impacts the relationship between Google and the other manufacturers as Google will also be making hardware.

 

[alent1234]

Looks like I called it the night before. Too bad they didn't wait for me to load up on MMI
Basically, after taking out cash, it's paying $9.5B. But, expect it to unload the handset business in a hurry once they transfer the patents. That's why they said it will operate as a separate entity. Google doesn't want to be competing with its partners.

how much will they get for the hardware business? these days it's a little more complicated than playing with lego's? why would anyone pay any money for the hardware business? it's like AOL

 

[theeedude]

how much will they get for the hardware business? these days it's a little more complicated than playing with lego's? why would anyone pay any money for the hardware business? it's like AOL

Brand + relationship with carriers and Google.

 

[Pliablemoose]

sensamp, that was an awesome call.

Damn it, I hate it when other people outguess me.

 

[Doboji]

Is it just me, or does it always seem like Mueller's FOSS Patents blog is always doom and gloom towards Google? His reaction today is that the breakup fee represents desperation, and that Moto's patents won't help Google anyway.