Lets play a game.. Lets guess when the United States will Attack Iraq.... and Predict the future...

[The Stigenator]

The US does not give a peice of crap about the UN.. to them the UN is a bunch of money grabbing lazy and corrupt people who really take their sweet time to react.

My prediction is this.

1. US is in full battle readiness by end of November 2002 or the beginning of December 2002. Its logical.. you want to go in when the weather is nice and comfy.
2. US will attack on a City Front.. and Saddam will put all his Republican Gaurds in place this time. In gulf war apparently he used only 1 battalion or 2. It will be fought in bagdad and in basra.
3. Iraq will use the SCUD's that they have lying around tipped with Chemical Agents and shoot as Israel. These are teh same chemical weapons that the US gives Iraq in the 1980's to fight against Iran.
4. Israel attacks with Nukes provided by the US at some point.
5. Egypt, Syria, Iran, Lebanon will attack Israel.
6. India and Pakistan will start with each other because now the US isnt going to be there to intervene
7. UN tries to intervene. EU backs away, blair is in a tough position for backing the US.. under pressure Blair backs down and prevent Europe getting into the war.
8. Bush and aides hides in a secret place and wish they didnt start this thing.
9. In 6 months.. middle east is a deserted.. millions killed.
10. US Economy is in shambles.. Global economy had gone down the drain just when things were getting better.

11. 5 years later the world reconciles and new laws are drawn up learning from mistakes in the past. The UN is given more power than just a standing "congratulatory" body.

These were predictions we made in Class today + some that I had thought of.. Not all was from class.. but some were.

TGG

 

[T2T III]

Similar to your your scenario, but a bit more brief:

1) Attacks start just before Thanksgiving
2) Saddam (or one of his look-alikes) surrenders by mid-December
3) The economy starts to take off because there is no longer a fear of war

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

WW3

 

[Sachmho]

i think you went off track at #4, but till then it was likely

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Sachmho
i think you went off track at #4, but till then it was likely

Yeah, just replace number four with, "Saddam runs to the bathroom several times a day" and you should have it.

 

[singh]

I can tell you for sure that (6) won't happen

 

[charrison]

1. The military could strike tommorow if need be.
2. Inspectors will get a final chance to look around, but they will be kicked out.
3. Iraq is attacked.
4. The republic guard turns on Iraq(they dont want another major asskicking) and it will be over within 2 weeks.
5. Hussein is killed or exhiled or held for warcrimes.
6. russia and germany get the iraq debt repaid
7. french companies get to operate on the oilfields.
8. Democratic goverment is setup and iraq prospers
9. Saudi and iran head for civil war because of a democratic iraq.
10. OPEC is mostly destroyed.
11 Peace starts to form in the middle east.


You are too pessimistic.

 

[CubicZirconia]

I'll say January 17th 2003, the 11 year anniversary of the start of the Persian Gulf. As for the future, I'm doubting the U.N. will ever become more than it is today. Way too many parties involved to get anything done quickly.

 

[etech]

"4. Israel attacks with Nukes provided by the US at some point."

France provided the start to the Israeli nuclear program. The US did not and in fact protested against it.

Basic facts.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
4. Israel attacks with Nukes provided by the US at some point.

Israel developed their nuclear weapons program in conjunction with the French. France built their Dimona reactor. France provided Israel with their Uranium. Israel detonated their first nuclear weapon with help from South Africa in 1979. The Israeli nuclear program has nothing to do with the US.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia
I'll say January 17th 2003, the 11 year anniversary of the start of the Persian Gulf. As for the future, I'm doubting the U.N. will ever become more than it is today. Way too many parties involved to get anything done quickly.

I'm convinced that the U.N. will never function correctly with France involved.

 

[Tripleshot]

charrison

you da man.

That outcome I like very much. Its plausable but not likely. Somewhere along the line, Arabs are going to get all upset and make an end around to the whole democratic install process. The fabric of their society is totally based on a patriarchial foundation. Democracy is a threat to their existance, and they will wage a holy war against anything that threatens it.

Then, we will have to do some more nation building, and that is worrysom.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: charrison

8. Democratic goverment is setup and iraq prospers

I belive it should be: "democratic" government is setup and iraq prospers because US supports puppet leader in charge

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: charrison

8. Democratic goverment is setup and iraq prospers

I belive it should be: "democratic" government is setup and iraq prospers because US supports puppet leader in charge

So Japan and Germany are just puppet goverments?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
charrison

you da man.

That outcome I like very much. Its plausable but not likely. Somewhere along the line, Arabs are going to get all upset and make an end around to the whole democratic install process. The fabric of their society is totally based on a patriarchial foundation. Democracy is a threat to their existance, and they will wage a holy war against anything that threatens it.

Then, we will have to do some more nation building, and that is worrysom.

I agree, the shockwaves of saudi and iran could be problematic. I left that openended for a reason.

 

[fatbaby]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: charrison

8. Democratic goverment is setup and iraq prospers

I belive it should be: "democratic" government is setup and iraq prospers because US supports puppet leader in charge

yes and then democracy becomes addictive and spreads all over the middle east, the sultans/princes that weren't elected lose their power and poof! one big disorganized middle east

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: charrison

8. Democratic goverment is setup and iraq prospers

I belive it should be: "democratic" government is setup and iraq prospers because US supports puppet leader in charge

So Japan and Germany are just puppet goverments?

If you honestly think that the United States government is going to setup free democratic elections and not a pupet government to serve their interests *cough* oil *cough* then I hope it's nice down there in the sand

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: charrison

8. Democratic goverment is setup and iraq prospers

I belive it should be: "democratic" government is setup and iraq prospers because US supports puppet leader in charge

So Japan and Germany are just puppet goverments?

If you honestly think that the United States government is going to setup free democratic elections and not a pupet government to serve their interests *cough* oil *cough* then I hope it's nice down there in the sand

I never claimed there would not be spoils of war. But this is far from being all about oil. Would you prefer that after we set up a goverment we dont allow any oil to be pumped? Do you also realize that if we lower the price of oil too much, we kill oil jobs here in the states? Do you realize oil revenue will be needed to rebuild Iraq and to possibly pay for liberation.

 

[Colt45]

1) the US bombs the sh!t out of Iraq from planes for months.
2) men go in on foot once everything is dead.
3) People consider said men heros
4) /me shakes head in disgust
5) bullsh!t govnt is set up
6) conflict occurs again in the middle east at a later date.

 

[Aceman]

1. The military could strike tommorow if need be.

Riiiiigggghhhhht! Never been in the military have you? It takes months for the logistics of a mission to become operational before ground troops can assault. Notice most military folks are not even touching these threads? We already see handwriting on the wall. We're in the saber rattling stage right now. I can only tell you that the saber rattling will become louder in the next couple months.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
The US does not give a peice of crap about the UN.. to them the UN is a bunch of money grabbing lazy and corrupt people who really take their sweet time to react. My prediction is this. 1. US is in full battle readiness by end of November 2002 or the beginning of December 2002. Its logical.. you want to go in when the weather is nice and comfy. 2. US will attack on a City Front.. and Saddam will put all his Republican Gaurds in place this time. In gulf war apparently he used only 1 battalion or 2. It will be fought in bagdad and in basra. 3. Iraq will use the SCUD's that they have lying around tipped with Chemical Agents and shoot as Israel. These are teh same chemical weapons that the US gives Iraq in the 1980's to fight against Iran. 4. Israel attacks with Nukes provided by the US at some point. 5. Egypt, Syria, Iran, Lebanon will attack Israel. 6. India and Pakistan will start with each other because now the US isnt going to be there to intervene 7. UN tries to intervene. EU backs away, blair is in a tough position for backing the US.. under pressure Blair backs down and prevent Europe getting into the war. 8. Bush and aides hides in a secret place and wish they didnt start this thing. 9. In 6 months.. middle east is a deserted.. millions killed. 10. US Economy is in shambles.. Global economy had gone down the drain just when things were getting better. 11. 5 years later the world reconciles and new laws are drawn up learning from mistakes in the past. The UN is given more power than just a standing "congratulatory" body. These were predictions we made in Class today + some that I had thought of.. Not all was from class.. but some were. TGG

Mostly correct, but add perpetual terrorism here in the US from the survivors of the Middle East, or if there are no survivors, from other countries less than thrilled with the outcome.

People generally prefer their own dictator to benevolent uninvited invaders. Citizens will not see US soldiers as buddies sent to set them free, but as the enemy, even if they did not see the US as the demon before. Be prepared for nasty urban warfare.

There is no way to prevent SCUDS from launching against Israel.

There is no way to prevent Israel from attacking.


Alternate ending- the above scenario coming true, politicians claim events show how right we were in attacking. First strike against any potential enemy becomes policy. US defeats world (really only possible outcome) US becomes New Rome.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Aceman

1. The military could strike tommorow if need be.

Riiiiigggghhhhht! Never been in the military have you? It takes months for the logistics of a mission to become operational before ground troops can assault. Notice most military folks are not even touching these threads? We already see handwriting on the wall. We're in the saber rattling stage right now. I can only tell you that the saber rattling will become louder in the next couple months.

I never said logistics happen over night, but I think they have been happening over the past 6 months. We also left alot of stuff behind in 91.