Lets go burn some books!

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DucatiMonster696

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If it showed up at a Koran Burning, you bet it would make the News. I suspect a Bible Burning would make the News though.

Burning a bible by itself would not make news.

Be honest here it would be a non-event and would barely register on the media blip of news items let alone receive any remarks or condemnation from government officials.
 

sandorski

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Burning a bible by itself would not make news.

Be honest here it would be a non-event and would barely register on the media blip of news items let alone receive any remarks or condemnation from government officials.

Well ya, 1 Bible wouldn't make the News. Unless someone made it into an Event. Same with 1 Koran, who would even know?
 

DucatiMonster696

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Well ya, 1 Bible wouldn't make the News. Unless someone made it into an Event. Same with 1 Koran, who would even know?

Right...so a artist drawing a picture of Jesus wearing a dress in a political cartoon would require to him/herself to fear for their life in the same from as the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Mohammad?

Highly doubt it, again....bible burning, Christianity = safe target and thus no news.
 

sandorski

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Right...so a artist drawing a picture of Jesus wearing a dress in a political cartoon would require to him/herself to fear for their life in the same from as the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Mohammad?

Highly doubt it, again....bible burning, Christianity = safe target and thus no news.

I disagree. I suppose there is only one way to find out.
 

Zebo

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So you guys think Barnes and Noble Stocks the Qu'ran? Guess I could DL and print the USC version.
 

spacejamz

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It is truly disgusting that Muslims (radical or not - were all of the Danish cartoon protesters across the globe radical Muslims?) can burn symbols important to others (like the flags of other countries) when they feel they have been slighted, but then get offended when someone does the EXACT same to them.

Why is it not okay for Western civilization to not respect their culture/beliefs/traditions/laws but it is okay for Muslims to ignore Western laws, beliefs and traditions (like freedom of expression)?

This is why there will never be peace because one side is always acquiescing to the other. They will NEVER accept freedom of speech/expression that goes against their beliefs or offends them. There is a reason why Europe is having so many Muslim issues...Muslims want to impose their laws and beliefs into whatever society they migrate to instead of trying to integrate with that society. How can two sides co-exist when one side believes that its way is the only right way?

How long will Western civilization continue to walk on egg shells in their attempts to appease Muslims while the West slowly loses their identity (it still chaps my ass that we can no longer say Merry Christmas during the holidays or call the thing that we put presents under a Christmas tree because it offensive)?

I think the church's decision to burn the Quran is a truly stupid idea, but the double standard that we consistently see when it comes to offending Muslims is a tell tale sign that this cannot end well.
 

Orignal Earl

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Right...so a artist drawing a picture of Jesus wearing a dress in a political cartoon would require to him/herself to fear for their life in the same from as the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Mohammad?

Highly doubt it, again....bible burning, Christianity = safe target and thus no news.

The permissibility of depictions of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, has long been a concern in Islam's history. Oral and written descriptions are readily accepted by all traditions of Islam, but there is disagreement about visual depictions.[1][2]

The Qur'an does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith (supplemental traditions) which have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating the visual depictions of figures under any circumstances. Most contemporary Sunni Muslims believe that visual depictions of the prophets generally should be prohibited, and they are particularly averse to visual representations of Muhammad.[3] The key concern is that the use of images can encourage idolatry, where the image becomes more important than what it represents. In Islamic art, some visual depictions only show Muhammad with his face veiled, or symbolically represent him as a flame; other images, notably from Persia of the Ilkhanate, and those made under the Ottomans, show him fully.[1]

Other Muslims have taken a more relaxed view. Most Shi'a scholars accept respectful depictions and use illustrations of Muhammad in books and architectural decoration, as have Sunnis at various points in the past.[4] However, many Muslims who take a stricter view of the supplemental traditions, will sometimes challenge any depiction of Muhammad, including those created and published by non-Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad


See the thing is, pictures of Muhammad is overall not a good thing within a lot of Islam.
Christians are perfectly fine with pictures of Jesus.
 

1prophet

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad


See the thing is, pictures of Muhammad is overall not a good thing within a lot of Islam.
Christians are perfectly fine with pictures of Jesus.


Just because the Saudi's/Wahhabi's hijacked Islam and are using their vast oil wealth to push their version doesn't mean they are right, furthermore they purposefully started the riots over the cartoons over Muhammad to deflect internal problems in their country.

The most ironic thing is those cartoons were published in Egypt months before and Muslims didn't riot or burn buildings until the Saudi instigators ignited the flames.


http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/792/print
Cartoons in Egypt: Last October

By Paul Belien
Created 2006-02-09 11:22
While most British and American mainstream media refuse to print the cartoons "out of respect for Muslims," one of Egypt's largest papers Al Fagr printed them last October, during Ramadan.

Guess what? Not a single Egyptian stormed the paper's offices to burn it down, not a single Jihadist threatened to assassinate its journalists. And not a single Egyptian embassy was torched in neighbouring countries. French supermarket chain Carrefour did not boycott Egyptian products either.
Apparently Muslim papers are allowed to do what Western papers are not: republish the Muhammad cartoons. The Egyptian blogger Sandmonkey has copies of the paper on his website.
I wonder whether the BBC and The Guardian will bring this news?
 

zinfamous

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So I'm hoping a group of forward-thinkers, or perhaps simply atheists show up and burn a stack of Bibles across the street from the Quran burning.

the reaction from the church side would likely provoke some violence, and the skirmish would probably take care of a few Florida-related problems. :D
 

Orignal Earl

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Just because the Saudi's/Wahhabi's hijacked Islam and are using their vast oil wealth to push their version doesn't mean they are right, furthermore they purposefully started the riots over the cartoons over Muhammad to deflect internal problems in their country.

The most ironic thing is those cartoons were published in Egypt months before and Muslims didn't riot or burn buildings until the Saudi instigators ignited the flames.

Yup
 

Fear No Evil

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So I'm hoping a group of forward-thinkers, or perhaps simply atheists show up and burn a stack of Bibles across the street from the Quran burning.

the reaction from the church side would likely provoke some violence, and the skirmish would probably take care of a few Florida-related problems. :D

So why is it that if a group burned a Bible in protest they are 'forward thinkers' but the Quran burners are a bunch of rednecks/hateful/bigots etc?
 

zinfamous

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So why is it that if a group burned a Bible in protest they are 'forward thinkers' but the Quran burners are a bunch of rednecks/hateful/bigots etc?

b/c they would be pointing out the idiocy of those thinking that burning a book in direct offense is somehow relevant these days? that their direct antagonism is no real Christian value?

basically, anyone pointing out the idiocy and hypocrisy inherent within the actions of a group of inbred redneck cultists is thinking ahead of those cultists.
 

Zebo

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b/c they would be pointing out the idiocy of those thinking that burning a book in direct offense is somehow relevant these days? that their direct antagonism is no real Christian value?

basically, anyone pointing out the idiocy and hypocrisy inherent within the actions of a group of inbred redneck cultists is thinking ahead of those cultists.

Forwards thinkers would do better to tell people that in America we have freedom of speech and expression and that we put up with it without trying to kill those saying things we don't like.
 

Infohawk

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b/c they would be pointing out the idiocy of those thinking that burning a book in direct offense is somehow relevant these days? that their direct antagonism is no real Christian value?

basically, anyone pointing out the idiocy and hypocrisy inherent within the actions of a group of inbred redneck cultists is thinking ahead of those cultists.

Go for it. (Although as I said previously I would rather see holy books get shredded and recycled.) Bet you the number of deaths resulting from burned bibles is less than the number of deaths resulting from burned qurans.
 

zinfamous

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Forwards thinkers would do better to tell people that in America we have freedom of speech and expression and that we put up with it without trying to kill those saying things we don't like.

indeed. Notice i didn't mention that burning the Quran was wrong. They are idiots for thinking that their piddly gesture is worth their time. let them burn the Quran. Let others burn the Bible, as well as all other religious texts with them.

it's all the same type of meaningless idiocy. ;)

here's the thing: the illiterate and the foolish burn books because they fear education and progress. Those who burn books take this as a gesture that promotes the stagnation of human cultural and technological progress. They are idiots for thinking that their gesture will halt such advances, and foolish for thinking that there is any inherent meaning in the act of burning a piece of text in this age of digital storage.

There was a time (think Savanarola in Florence; known for his bonfire of the vanities) when burning books actually destroyed progress and knowledge. With such limited resources and archived materials, there was a real loss, and a real cultural impact.

Idiots and fools antagonizing other idiots and fools is something that should simply be ignored.
 

Zebo

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Except you already said you hope people burn Bibles. But cowards are never consistent they seek safety, it's normal don't feel bad. I am against burning. Much better to read it and get informed but it's their right just like burning flags, bibles and whatnot is. It's a freedom unique in this world and lots of blood spent to achieve worth defending IMO.
 
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