Lets go burn some books!

Bateluer

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/florida.burn.quran.day/index.html?hpt=C2

I'm not a very religious person, but burning any books like this rubs me the wrong way. Too much of human history has been lost by things like this. We shouldn't be going down this road again.

(CNN) -- In protest of what it calls a religion "of the devil," a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The Dove World Outreach Center says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, it invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book at the church from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

"We believe that Islam is of the devil, that it's causing billions of people to go to hell, it is a deceptive religion, it is a violent religion and that is proven many, many times," Pastor Terry Jones told CNN's Rick Sanchez earlier this week.

Jones wrote a book titled "Islam is of the Devil," and the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase.

Muslims and many other Christians -- including some evangelicals -- are fighting the initiative.

The church launched a YouTube channel to disseminate its messages.

"I mean ask yourself, have you ever really seen a really happy Muslim? As they're on the way to Mecca? As they gather together in the mosque on the floor? Does it look like a real religion of joy?" Jones asks in one of his YouTube posts.

"No, to me it looks like a religion of the devil."

The Islamic advocacy group Council on American-Islamic Relations called on Muslims and others to host "Share the Quran" dinners to educate the public during the monthlong fast of Ramadan beginning in August. In a news release, the group announced a campaign to give out 100,000 copies of the Quran to local, state and national leaders.

"American Muslims and other people of conscience should support positive educational efforts to prevent the spread of Islamophobia," said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper in the release.

The National Association of Evangelicals, the nation's largest umbrella evangelical group, issued a statement urging the church to cancel the event, warning it could cause worldwide tension between the two religions.

"The NAE calls on its members to cultivate relationships of trust and respect with our neighbors of other faiths. God created human beings in his image, and therefore all should be treated with dignity and respect," it said in the statement.

Dove's Facebook page, set up for the September event, has more than 1,600 fans.

"Eternal fire is the only destination the Quran can lead people to, so we want to put the Quran in it's [sic] place -- the fire!" the page says.

But another Facebook group with more than 3,100 fans says it stands "against the disrespect and intolerance that these people have for the Muslim people" and encourages people to report Dove's page to Facebook.

Targeting another group it calls "godless," the Dove center is also hosting a protest against Gainesville Mayor Craig Lowe, who is openly gay, on Monday at Gainesville's City Hall. The group previously fought -- unsuccessfully -- to derail Lowe's election campaign.

"We protest sexual perversion because the Bible protests it. ... What is acceptable to today's leadership becomes acceptable to tomorrow's society," the church says in its blog entry about the event.

Lowe and other government figures and media outlets received e-mails from the church about the event, The Gainesville Sun reported. Lowe isn't concerned with Monday's event.

"I've got other things to do," he said, The Sun reports.

On the outreach center's front lawn, alongside a sign reading "Aug. 2 Protest, No Homo Mayor, City Hall," stands not just one, but three signs bearing the slogan "Islam is of the Devil."

One of the signs -- one reading "Islam" on one side, "Devil" on the other -- was vandalized. On its blog last week, the church said the sign will be replaced.

"This is private property and vandalism is a crime here in America," the blog says. "In Islam, many actions that we consider to be crimes are encouraged, condoned or sheltered under Islamic teaching and practice, though. Another reason to burn a Quran."
 

bullbert

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From the title, I was expecting a thread on censorship. Wrong. The is just symbolic protest. Although I have already heard/read where the REAL nutjobs have equated this to burning down other people's houses. There are loons and then there are REAL loons.
 

Red Dawn

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From the title, I was expecting a thread on censorship. Wrong. The is just symbolic protest. Although I have already heard/read where the REAL nutjobs have equated this to burning down other people's houses. There are loons and then there are REAL loons.
Imagine all the loons crying about this if it was the Bible that was being burned.
 

CallMeJoe

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It appears the Phelps family may have some kindred souls in Florida.

Christianity - the true Religion of Hate...
 

PeshakJang

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From their website, looks like they've always been that screwed up. Known for anti-Islam sentiments, and have staged several similar protests in the past.

It's always a shame when the little kids are raised in this type of culture though.
 

IronWing

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The internet has made all of Douglas Adams' predictions about the babblefish come true with a vengeance. Back in the good old days, two cultures, nations, states would interact through diplomats who developed elaborate protocols to smooth over inter-cultural tensions (my culture/people/religion is awesome, yours screws sheep) and so nations could get on with the business of trade without offering constant offense. In the modern world every yahoo with a keyboard can reach into other cultures and give them the finger. From other folks burning American flags to the yokels in the OP's story everyone can reach out and piss others off.
 

Murloc

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usually you can't say this stuff without legal consequences and having the billboards removed. Oh wait, it's in the US, the country of batshit crazy religious people, you're used to this stuff XD
 

Kappo

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usually you can't say this stuff without legal consequences and having the billboards removed. Oh wait, it's in the US, the country of batshit crazy religious people, you're used to this stuff XD

Yeah, that whole freedom of speech thing just burns all you little guys up, huh? :D
 

DucatiMonster696

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Why would this make me feel sorry for the Islamic Jihadists who have declared war on Western civilization and the so called "moderates" Muslims who stand by idly doing nothing but holding their hands in their pockets?
 

Robor

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Yeah, that whole freedom of speech thing just burns all you little guys up, huh? :D

Like RD said, this would be an entirely different story if Muslims were burning bibles. Or would you be defending THEIR freedom of speech?
 

DucatiMonster696

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Like RD said, this would be an entirely different story if Muslims were burning bibles. Or would you be defending THEIR freedom of speech?

Name one Islamic lead country where Christians are free to counter-protest a Muslim equivalent of this symbolic action without fear of government cracked down or reprisal murders from Jihadist elements?
 

Red Dawn

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Name one Islamic lead country where Christians are free to counter-protest a Muslim equivalent of this symbolic action without fear of government cracked down or reprisal murders from Jihadist elements?
That's why it's great to live in a secular nation and not some theocracy.
 

Robor

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Name one Islamic lead country where Christians are free to counter-protest a Muslim equivalent of this symbolic action without fear of government cracked down or reprisal murders from Jihadist elements?

LOL... Way to justify the idiotic actions of radical Christians in the US by comparing them to more idiotic actions of radical Muslims in the ME. :awe:
 

Kappo

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Yes there is varying degrees of insanity.

Yes, I agree. Our insanity includes trying to make laws or admonishing things. Theirs includes killing themselves off to take out a few non-followers.

Tomato, tomatoe /rollseyes.
 

Lemon law

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The point is and remains, the Koran and the Christian religions are somewhat sister religions clones offshoots of Judaism.

Anyone can make a good case that one or all are religions of war, religions of peace, or just plain FOS. It all depends what part of the text in each you want to cherry pick. But at the end of the day, they are so similar that they are lumped in the same classification in any studies of comparative religions.

Or we can examine the behavior of nations that tend to be politically dominated by Islam, Judaism, or Christianity and come to the same conclusion. Its just depends on what behaviors we want to cherry pick.

Or we can look at the intellect and technology of nations dominated by said religions, 800 years ago, hands down, Islam had the better technology and intellect
while Christians in Europe were far behind. A few hundred years later, Europe made that technological leap, that if nothing else, allowed Christians to be much better at warfare and dominating other people around the globe. As a somewhat morally repugnant force of European Colonialism started, grew, flowered, and now is a dying force. But still, however much we want to demonize Colonialism, it was still the force that has shaped the modern world for good or ill.

But still, IMHO, the main reason we have a clash of Christianity and Islam is more by happenstance, because its the wide swath of Muslim Countries that are last to throw off the Colonial yoke. And as the Christians still covet the wealth that rightfully belongs to those Muslims residents, we have to demonize them and their religions to justify or re justify that thievery. Fast forgetting that 50-70 years ago, we had similar problems with the Japanese, the Vietnamese, and India with religions we demonized as godless.

But its still true, that there are thousands of Muslim extremists we are fighting, but compared to some 1.4 billion Muslims, the violence percentage is very low.
 

Red Dawn

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Yes, I agree. Our insanity includes trying to make laws or admonishing things. Theirs includes killing themselves off to take out a few non-followers.

Tomato, tomatoe /rollseyes.
Yep it's a good thing that for the most part Christians love themselves and their children enough not to commit such heinous crimes.
 

Lemon law

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Yep it's a good thing that for the most part Christians love themselves and their children enough not to commit such heinous crimes.
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What about the Jews in Masada, whom, once the jig was up, killed their own children, women, and all their men. Or Jonestown.

People are people, and people fight with the weapons they have. Humans are just remarkably stubborn animals, why is the Christian the Romans fed to the lions somehow more noble than than a Buddhist monk willing to burn himself to death in non violent protest. And why is it more noble to kill someone using high technology when its riskier to resist using low tech?
 

Red Dawn

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What about the Jews in Masada, whom, once the jig was up, killed their own children, women, and all their men. Or Jonestown.

People are people, and people fight with the weapons they have. Humans are just remarkably stubborn animals, why is the Christian the Romans fed to the lions somehow more noble than than a Buddhist monk willing to burn himself to death in non violent protest. And why is it more noble to kill someone using high technology when its riskier to resist using low tech?
Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near?:rolleyes: