Let's Go Back to Reading US Mail...

BoomerD

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OK, not yet, but it's under consideration...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...nsoring-mail-necessary-suggest-182932835.html

Sen. Lindsey Graham would propose censoring Americans' "snail" mail if he thought it would help protect national security, the South Carolina Republican said Tuesday. But for now, he says he doesn't think it's necessary.

Faced with questions about the disclosure that the National Security Agency has been collecting phone and email records of citizens, Graham pointed to a World War II-era program in which the federal government censored mail. He said it was appropriate at the time and that he would support reinstating the program if it aided security efforts.

"In World War II, the mentality of the public was that our whole way of life was at risk, we're all in. We censored the mail. When you wrote a letter overseas, it got censored. When a letter was written back from the battlefield to home, they looked at what was in the letter to make sure they were not tipping off the enemy," Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, told reporters on Capitol Hill. "If I thought censoring the mail was necessary, I would suggest it, but I don't think it is."

The Guardian newspaper revealed last week details of a government surveillance program enacted in response to terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, that secretly collects digital communication data from U.S. citizens. The source who provided the information to The Guardian, a Hawaii-based former government contractor named Edward Snowden, fled to Hong Kong and his whereabouts are currently unknown.

The new details about the program have sparked a debate over civil liberties and the extent of lawful government surveillance. On Tuesday, Graham suggested that Americans should be more willing to give up certain civil liberties to prevent future terrorist attacks.

"The First Amendment right to speak is sacrosanct, but it has limits," Graham added. "In World War II, our population understood that what we say in letters could be used against [us by] our enemies. It was designed to protect us and ensure that we would have First Amendment rights because under the Japanese and Nazi regime, they weren't that big into the First Amendment. We don't need to censor the mail, but we do need to find out what the enemy's up to."

What? OMFG! It's not a librul Democrat who said that!

All your communications belong to us.

Big Brother is watching YOU!
 

Nintendesert

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He's a moron along with everyone else that supports this shit. At least Udall doesn't support this crap from what I've read.
 

Doppel

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Fucking shit, terrorism is not this profound country-ending threat, these politicians who continue to play it up as potential extinction for our way of life are the ones who threaten it most with their narrative.

Since 1985 132 people per year die in the US from terrorism and that includes 911! Last year SIX people died from terrorism in the US.
 

Double Trouble

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Holy crap, he's completely nuts. Serious WTF there. How can someone be so shortsighted about the dangers of giving up your liberties for the illusion of security?
 

Smoblikat

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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin
 

Hayabusa Rider

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This is a very weird article. He said if it would help do it but doesn't think it would help - so why even mention it?

I think he's testing the waters for support. If he gets a lot of heat over this then it's not yet time. When the next terrorist act occurs (because let's face it, it's not entirely preventable) he can point back to this and Americans just might embrace such a thing. Look at how far we've fallen on this forum alone. Those Founders were stupid and ignorant and had no idea what living in an unsafe world was like, yada, yada, yada.

Oh, the potential for "Well I had an idea, but no one but me was brave enough to suggest it" is a possibility for later as well.
 

SheHateMe

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They can censor my snail mail all they want. And those stupid coupon books too. Please, keep it all!

I rarely check my mailbox. Any bills I need to pay are done online.


Even lab results are called in to me. I think the mail system is pretty dead, imo.
 

Harabec

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The great thing about the War on Terror is that it never ends.
Perfect for any admin to pass dumb anti-citizenry laws.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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They can censor my snail mail all they want. And those stupid coupon books too. Please, keep it all!

I rarely check my mailbox. Any bills I need to pay are done online.


Even lab results are called in to me. I think the mail system is pretty dead, imo.

Well that makes it all better.
 

NesuD

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It certainly appears that neither party has any kind of monopoly on this latest attempt to subvert our constitutional rights. Both seem to be equally complicit. Time to fire them all.
 

LTC8K6

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This is what you get with career politicians, imo.

They are a separate elite class with no connection to the regular citizens.

They don't give a damn as long as they can stay in office.
 

Darwin333

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They can censor my snail mail all they want. And those stupid coupon books too. Please, keep it all!

I rarely check my mailbox. Any bills I need to pay are done online.


Even lab results are called in to me. I think the mail system is pretty dead, imo.

Sweet, since it doesn't bother you personally fuck it
 

Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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It certainly appears that neither party has any kind of monopoly on this latest attempt to subvert our constitutional rights. Both seem to be equally complicit. Time to fire them all.

NO NO NO! The other party started it and did it first!!!! That means that my side is much less bad for just following along, if it wasn't for the other side doing it first my side would have never thought about doing it! Heck my side isn't even bad at all but the other side are horrible for supporting this crap!
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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I think he's testing the waters for support. If he gets a lot of heat over this then it's not yet time. When the next terrorist act occurs (because let's face it, it's not entirely preventable) he can point back to this and Americans just might embrace such a thing. Look at how far we've fallen on this forum alone. Those Founders were stupid and ignorant and had no idea what living in an unsafe world was like, yada, yada, yada.

Oh, the potential for "Well I had an idea, but no one but me was brave enough to suggest it" is a possibility for later as well.

:hmm: Thats a disturbing theory
 

JTsyo

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This is what you get with career politicians, imo.

They are a separate elite class with no connection to the regular citizens.

They don't give a damn as long as they can stay in office.

You would think with all the deals they make, they would be the last ones who want overall surveillance. Of course any bill they pass will probably have an exemption for them.
 

sixone

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I wonder if he would support prison camps, as was done to the Japanese.

You know, if it helps. :rolleyes: