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Lets give Texas back to Mexico

Phokus

Lifer
If not for oil and Austin, Texas would be literally worthless (ok, maybe tex-mex food too)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...napr06,0,5597484.story


The crime Aaron Hart confessed to was undeniably repellent.

Last September, the 18-year-old man was charged with sexually assaulting a 6-year-old neighbor boy behind a tool shed in the small east Texas town of Paris. A relative of the victim said she walked outside and saw Hart with his pants pulled down, standing next to the boy.

Police read Hart his Miranda rights and he quickly admitted his guilt. On Feb. 11, Hart's court-appointed attorney entered guilty pleas to each of five related felony counts, a jury recommended multiple sentences and a judge then ruled that the prison terms be served consecutively, for a total of 100 years.

That might have been the end of Cause No. 22924 in the 6th Judicial District Court of Lamar County, Texas?just another dismal criminal case on the docket of an obscure town.


Except that now, less than two months after Hart was sentenced, every court official who had a hand in the case seems to agree that he doesn't really belong in prison for what amounts to the rest of his life.

That's because Hart is profoundly mentally retarded. He has an IQ of 47, and his parents say he functions at the level of a 9-year-old. The boy he confessed to molesting is mentally retarded as well.

What's more, the judge and the jury never heard any expert testimony about Hart's diminished mental functioning, his capacity to understand his Miranda rights or his ability to assist in his own defense, because his defense attorney never subpoenaed any experts.

And since he has been in jail, Hart himself has been repeatedly raped, according to his parents. The first assault, allegedly by an inmate who is serving a far shorter sentence of just 8 years for sexual indecency with a child, so disturbed the alleged rapist's mother that she called Hart's parents to apologize.

"I have nightmares thinking about Aaron in prison and how he is going to survive in there," said Robert Hart, Aaron's 70-year-old father. "He's the type of kid who his whole life people beat him up, took stuff from him, and he wouldn't defend himself. He can't read or write. He can't hardly talk."

Hart's complex case is threatening to once again bring unwelcome outside scrutiny to the functioning of the criminal justice system in Paris.

The town of 26,000 drew national civil rights protests in 2007 following a Tribune report contrasting the judicial treatment of a 14-year-old black girl, who was sentenced to up to 7 years in youth prison for shoving a hall monitor at her high school, with the treatment of a 14-year-old white girl, who was given probation for the more serious crime of arson. More racial tensions erupted last year after the slaying of a 24-year-old black man, allegedly at the hands of two whites.

This time, though the issues are not racial?both Hart and his victim are white?black civil rights leaders in Paris are still advocating on Hart's behalf, because of their concerns that he was not treated fairly by the local justice system.

A spokesman for the local prosecutor, Gary Young, acknowledged that more serious sexual offenders have received much shorter sentences.

"You don't want to send [Hart] to prison for life, but you cannot put him back on the street and worry about what he may do to some other kid," Allan Hubbard, victim's advocate for the district attorney, told the local newspaper, the Paris News. "Speaking for myself and not for the district attorney's office, this illustrates the need for some system between probation and life in prison for someone like this."

Hart's court-appointed defense attorney, Ben Massar, said he had recommended that Hart plead guilty only because he thought his client would be sentenced to probation.

"To me, this was a punishment case," Massar said. "And usually, in order to gain the benefit of more lenient punishment, like the probation we were hoping for, juries and judges like it when people plead guilty and take responsibility for their actions."

The judge who stacked Hart's prison terms to run consecutively for 100 years, Eric Clifford, said he's still agonizing over his decision, which was driven by his concern that Hart poses a danger to society.

"It was a sad situation. I was about to cry. The jury was crying," Clifford said. "Everybody looked at everybody like, 'What the hell do we do?' The only option we were presented was prison. We don't have any facilities in the state of Texas for any type of care for somebody like that. That's the problem. It's a terrible problem. I don't know what you do with him other than what we did."

On Tuesday, Hart's newly appointed appellate attorney is scheduled to go before Clifford with a motion seeking a new trial on the grounds that Hart could not have understood any of the legal proceedings for his arrest, guilty plea and sentencing.

Clifford sounded like he's inclined to grant the motion. "I approved [the appellate attorney] to hire all the experts he wanted on competency," he said. "I said, 'Whatever you need moneywise, I will sign the order.' If they can work something out on that appeal, I'm not going to be hard on them."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6365320.html

A North Texas legislator during House testimony on voter identification legislation said Asian-descent voters should adopt names that are ?easier for Americans to deal with.?

The comments caused the Texas Democratic Party on Wednesday to demand an apology from state Rep. Betty Brown, R-Terrell. But a spokesman for Brown said her comments were only an attempt to overcome problems with identifying Asian names for voting purposes. [?] ?Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese ? I understand it?s a rather difficult language ? do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?? Brown said.

Really Texas? REALLY? Do we really need to point out how absurd your society is?
 
i live in Texas... theres an ibm here, sony etc... we can't have mexico getting their hands on this technology can we? 😛
 
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?
 
Let's send Phokus back to the bottom of the sea. and his family too, because we can generalize that all of Phokus' family are just like him.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
If not for oil and Austin, Texas would be literally worthless (ok, maybe tex-mex food too)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...napr06,0,5597484.story


The crime Aaron Hart confessed to was undeniably repellent.

Last September, the 18-year-old man was charged with sexually assaulting a 6-year-old neighbor boy behind a tool shed in the small east Texas town of Paris. A relative of the victim said she walked outside and saw Hart with his pants pulled down, standing next to the boy.

Police read Hart his Miranda rights and he quickly admitted his guilt. On Feb. 11, Hart's court-appointed attorney entered guilty pleas to each of five related felony counts, a jury recommended multiple sentences and a judge then ruled that the prison terms be served consecutively, for a total of 100 years.

That might have been the end of Cause No. 22924 in the 6th Judicial District Court of Lamar County, Texas?just another dismal criminal case on the docket of an obscure town.


Except that now, less than two months after Hart was sentenced, every court official who had a hand in the case seems to agree that he doesn't really belong in prison for what amounts to the rest of his life.

That's because Hart is profoundly mentally retarded. He has an IQ of 47, and his parents say he functions at the level of a 9-year-old. The boy he confessed to molesting is mentally retarded as well.

What's more, the judge and the jury never heard any expert testimony about Hart's diminished mental functioning, his capacity to understand his Miranda rights or his ability to assist in his own defense, because his defense attorney never subpoenaed any experts.

And since he has been in jail, Hart himself has been repeatedly raped, according to his parents. The first assault, allegedly by an inmate who is serving a far shorter sentence of just 8 years for sexual indecency with a child, so disturbed the alleged rapist's mother that she called Hart's parents to apologize.

"I have nightmares thinking about Aaron in prison and how he is going to survive in there," said Robert Hart, Aaron's 70-year-old father. "He's the type of kid who his whole life people beat him up, took stuff from him, and he wouldn't defend himself. He can't read or write. He can't hardly talk."

Hart's complex case is threatening to once again bring unwelcome outside scrutiny to the functioning of the criminal justice system in Paris.

The town of 26,000 drew national civil rights protests in 2007 following a Tribune report contrasting the judicial treatment of a 14-year-old black girl, who was sentenced to up to 7 years in youth prison for shoving a hall monitor at her high school, with the treatment of a 14-year-old white girl, who was given probation for the more serious crime of arson. More racial tensions erupted last year after the slaying of a 24-year-old black man, allegedly at the hands of two whites.

This time, though the issues are not racial?both Hart and his victim are white?black civil rights leaders in Paris are still advocating on Hart's behalf, because of their concerns that he was not treated fairly by the local justice system.

A spokesman for the local prosecutor, Gary Young, acknowledged that more serious sexual offenders have received much shorter sentences.

"You don't want to send [Hart] to prison for life, but you cannot put him back on the street and worry about what he may do to some other kid," Allan Hubbard, victim's advocate for the district attorney, told the local newspaper, the Paris News. "Speaking for myself and not for the district attorney's office, this illustrates the need for some system between probation and life in prison for someone like this."

Hart's court-appointed defense attorney, Ben Massar, said he had recommended that Hart plead guilty only because he thought his client would be sentenced to probation.

"To me, this was a punishment case," Massar said. "And usually, in order to gain the benefit of more lenient punishment, like the probation we were hoping for, juries and judges like it when people plead guilty and take responsibility for their actions."

The judge who stacked Hart's prison terms to run consecutively for 100 years, Eric Clifford, said he's still agonizing over his decision, which was driven by his concern that Hart poses a danger to society.

"It was a sad situation. I was about to cry. The jury was crying," Clifford said. "Everybody looked at everybody like, 'What the hell do we do?' The only option we were presented was prison. We don't have any facilities in the state of Texas for any type of care for somebody like that. That's the problem. It's a terrible problem. I don't know what you do with him other than what we did."

On Tuesday, Hart's newly appointed appellate attorney is scheduled to go before Clifford with a motion seeking a new trial on the grounds that Hart could not have understood any of the legal proceedings for his arrest, guilty plea and sentencing.

Clifford sounded like he's inclined to grant the motion. "I approved [the appellate attorney] to hire all the experts he wanted on competency," he said. "I said, 'Whatever you need moneywise, I will sign the order.' If they can work something out on that appeal, I'm not going to be hard on them."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6365320.html

A North Texas legislator during House testimony on voter identification legislation said Asian-descent voters should adopt names that are ?easier for Americans to deal with.?

The comments caused the Texas Democratic Party on Wednesday to demand an apology from state Rep. Betty Brown, R-Terrell. But a spokesman for Brown said her comments were only an attempt to overcome problems with identifying Asian names for voting purposes. [?] ?Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese ? I understand it?s a rather difficult language ? do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?? Brown said.

Really Texas? REALLY? Do we really need to point out how absurd your society is?

stereo type much? sounds like you're the dumbass retard who should get ass raped in prison. what happened in that article happens everywhere

 
Originally posted by: bargetrav


stereo type much? sounds like you're the dumbass retard who should get ass raped in prison. what happened in that article happens everywhere

An excellent first post.
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?

Oh, pipe down. He's just saying that this case is fucked up. Your burritos and guns have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Originally posted by: bargetrav
stereo type much? sounds like you're the dumbass retard who should get ass raped in prison. what happened in that article happens everywhere

You sound like a wonderful human being. We should hang out sometime. This does not happen everywhere. I think the burden of proof is on the person who disagrees with Texas having an incredibly fucked up history with mentally retarded people and the state justice system.
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?

Hyper-American?
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?

Exactly. Im eating a burrito and shooting my .22 in the air as I type this. Remember the Alamo!
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?

i'd get bored.
 
Hey, OP how about you fucking grow a brain and grow the hell up. Stupid shit happens all over the country in every single state and probably damn well in every single city. Where in the fuck do you live that is so goddamn peachy keen with no problems?

Also there is no "giving Texas back to Mexico" in that the Republic of Texas fought Mexico in a revolutionary war. . . ever hear of the Alamo??!!
 
haha ya just saw the asians adopting easier names thing. it's funny, the spokesperson saying it's not all about race when that's what it's exactly about. that said, I still love texas.
 
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: MichaelD
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?

i'd get bored.

You're not very creative. 😉
 
LtPage1: My post has everything to do with Texas. You've obviously not lived there long, if at all. Dallas doesn't count. The gun thing is just one, albiet a major, example of the freedoms afforded in America's free state.

Imagine countryside...with miles and miles of nothing but trees, rocks and various wildlife (some of which is poisonous) and the freedom to live your life....while still being within reach of cable TV/internet, Dominos and Home Depot. Ah, the wonder!!!
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
What the fuck does that story have to do with the fact that Texas was won fair and square? So...there are only child-molesting-retarded-folks in TX, huh? Been to the midwest lately? WV is a stunning compilation of gene-defect-enthusiasm any day of the week as well.

Texas is one of the few remaining states where I can buy land, set up a shooting range and blow shit to high heaven any day of the week. I am also free to defend my property and not go to jail. Guns, beer and burritos; what the fuck else could I possibly want?

How about not sentencing a 14 year old black girl that shoved someone to 7 years prison when a 14 year old white girl gets no time after committing arson.

Assuming what the article said is true.
 
How about we focus on the fact that a mentally retarded man is being raped in prison for something he didn't really understand he did.
 
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