Lets get ready for some Debating Cage Fights Round 1,2, and 3

[Starbuck1975]

Clinton sounded prepared and polished but also scripted, and stumbled and tripped when trying to land her zingers.

Trump was a hot mess but no fatal errors. His act worked when competing against a stage full of opppnents, not so much 1v1.

 

[Balt]

I actually thought Trump came out pretty strong in the beginning. He held Hillary's feet to the fire over her support of TPP and Bill's support of NAFTA. Her response to that seemed pretty weak, and he was appealing to the voters in places he needs to win like Michigan and Ohio.

After that, though, it was pretty much downhill for him. Just rambling on and on, barely coherent. Hillary was wise enough to just let him speak in that babbling stream-of-consciousness style for minutes at a time.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Lol...In the hallway, Trump responded to a reporter that "he was proud that he did not go after HC on 'Bill's scandals', and implied that he 'knows stuff, unbelievable stuff. Maybe he'll bring it up at the next debate".

He is actually plugging the next debate like it's the next episode of his reality show..

 

[zinfamous]

ALl the reports from his biographers and people that know him closely that Trump doesn't read.

well, that much is obvious.

Kids: this is what happens when you don't learn to fucking read. When you aren't curious about the world around you. You become a mindless, yammering head of cabbage, blistered with scabies.

 

[mizzou]

I just caught the end of the debate unfortunately. I noticed Trump was suffering from diarrhea of the mouth and that Hillary gave him plenty of time to courtesy flush and continue spewing.

if the whole debate went like that, he's not winning any new voters over.

 

[zinfamous]

None of the questions were biased against Trump, he brought a lot of those issues up on his own then had to live with them.

when asking you to confirm or respond to statements that you have repeated over and over again is now called "bias."

we have entered a new paradigm.

 

[MongGrel]

Clinton sounded prepared and polished but also scripted, and stumbled and tripped when trying to land her zingers.

Trump was a hot mess but no fatal errors. His act worked when competing against a stage full of opppnents, not so much 1v1.

She was not scripted, she has been a high level politician for decades.

Which is what you need as a POTUS.

I did not see her stumble and trip at all. Trump is unqualified.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I have this image of the fact checkers at all the networks sitting with their arms crossed saying "fuck that" to the prospect of checking all of Trumps claims tonight.

 

[hardhat]

I think people need to put politics aside and try to look at the debate from the mindset of an average American. Trump responded to each point mostly coherently and defended himself on the basis that he is and has been an effective business leader while Clinton has been directly involved in international affairs and has not been able to enact the change she wishes to make happen. That makes sense to someone who knows nothing about the middle east, except that we are at war with multiple countries over there for no good reason. And his 'deal' on releasing his taxes in return for releasing the e-mails makes sense to someone who has no grasp of confidentiality, or believes there is an ongoing conspiracy protecting Clinton.

His rhetoric range true with his constituents, the low information voters, and he will probably gain more support from the debate. I don't want him to be elected, but calling this a knockout in favor of Clinton is foolish, and exposes the common hubris that appears among supporters of the status quo. Clinton needs to do more to show how bad Trump's tax plan is, expose his lack of foreign policy experience, and continued waffling on issues. Obama was effective at pointing out problems and offering solutions. It is harder to get people to support more of the same when people's lives aren't perfect (and never will be) and someone is offering something new.

 

[MongGrel]

I think people need to put politics aside and try to look at the debate from the mindset of an average American. Trump responded to each point mostly coherently and defended himself on the basis that he is and has been an effective business leader while Clinton has been directly involved in international affairs and has not been able to enact the change she wishes to make happen. That makes sense to someone who knows nothing about the middle east, except that we are at war with multiple countries over there for no good reason. And his 'deal' on releasing his taxes in return for releasing the e-mails makes sense to someone who has no grasp of confidentiality, or believes there is an ongoing conspiracy protecting Clinton.

His rhetoric range true with his constituents, the low information voters, and he will probably gain more support from the debate. I don't want him to be elected, but calling this a knockout in favor of Clinton is foolish, and exposes the common hubris that appears among supporters of the status quo. Clinton needs to do more to show how bad Trump's tax plan is, expose his lack of foreign policy experience, and continued waffling on issues. Obama was effective at pointing out problems and offering solutions. It is harder to get people to support more of the same when people's lives aren't perfect (and never will be) and someone is offering something new.

Trump isn't offering anything new though, just making a lot of noise has always been his thing.

He just says he will solve things like the Wizard of Oz, without having a real solution.

And from what I watched of Pence earlier in the day, the US would really be screwed over if he's planning on letting him handle things if elected.

I think I have mentioned Dan Quayle 2.0 in the past in that regard, he looked like a bobble head doll/parrot repeating lame mediocre BS.

 

[JSt0rm]

trump has the best word salad

 

[Sunburn74]

I think people need to put politics aside and try to look at the debate from the mindset of an average American. Trump responded to each point mostly coherently and defended himself on the basis that he is and has been an effective business leader while Clinton has been directly involved in international affairs and has not been able to enact the change she wishes to make happen. That makes sense to someone who knows nothing about the middle east, except that we are at war with multiple countries over there for no good reason. And his 'deal' on releasing his taxes in return for releasing the e-mails makes sense to someone who has no grasp of confidentiality, or believes there is an ongoing conspiracy protecting Clinton.

His rhetoric range true with his constituents, the low information voters, and he will probably gain more support from the debate. I don't want him to be elected, but calling this a knockout in favor of Clinton is foolish, and exposes the common hubris that appears among supporters of the status quo. Clinton needs to do more to show how bad Trump's tax plan is, expose his lack of foreign policy experience, and continued waffling on issues. Obama was effective at pointing out problems and offering solutions. It is harder to get people to support more of the same when people's lives aren't perfect (and never will be) and someone is offering something new.

Stop and frisk and Sean Hannity.

 

[Starbuck1975]

She was not scripted, she has been a high level politician for decades.

Which is what you need as a POTUS.

I did not see her stumble and trip at all. Trump is unqualified.

The delivery of the "Trumped up trickle down" comment was particularly flat.

Despite her flaws, Trump is unqualified

 

[Commodus]

What was hilarious was just how vehemently Trump would deny making objectively, unquestionably false statements.

Sorry, Trump, but stop-and-frisk was ruled unconstitutional, and you did say you supported the war in Iraq. Lying louder doesn't change that you lied.

 

[Grooveriding]

What a joke. As expected Trump got demolished. That idiot really is the candidate for the bottom of the barrel of the gene pool.

 

[BUTCH1]

Trump did make the valid point that our money is being squandered away with crumbling infrastructure which will indeed haunt us over the next decade or two.

$$$ gets poured into the industrial-military complex so we can be, (as Trump said) the "police-force" of the world while countries NOT called the United States of America get to spend their tax $$ on infrastructure, education, and other important issues to THEM. This has chapped my ass for a long time and probably the one thing Trump got right tonight.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump seemed to have the sniffles and was drinking a lot of water...whats he hiding!!

 

[jingramm]

when asking you to confirm or respond to statements that you have repeated over and over again is now called "bias."

we have entered a new paradigm.

No,the same type of attacks or confirmations were not asked to Hillary. Hillary wasn't asked about her email server, Clinton foundation, Benghazi, TPP, and others. Clearly some bias.

Lester Holt negative questions to Trump: tax returns, birther issue ,Iraq war, Hillary presidential
looks

Negative direct questions to Clinton: None

Only after Trump brought them up

 

[yllus]

I actually thought Trump came out pretty strong in the beginning. He held Hillary's feet to the fire over her support of TPP and Bill's support of NAFTA. Her response to that seemed pretty weak, and he was appealing to the voters in places he needs to win like Michigan and Ohio.

After that, though, it was pretty much downhill for him. Just rambling on and on, barely coherent. Hillary was wise enough to just let him speak in that babbling stream-of-consciousness style for minutes at a time.

Hillary is at her most vulnerable on trade and its effects domestically. I don't think Trump can win (demographics) so it probably doesn't matter, but hammering on this point is useful to him.

 

[zinfamous]

What was hilarious was just how vehemently Trump would deny making objectively, unquestionably false statements.

Sorry, Trump, but stop-and-frisk was ruled unconstitutional, and you did say you supported the war in Iraq. Lying louder doesn't change that you lied.

I like how Hillary--and Lester--just let him double down on his lie over stop and frisk, trying to deflect the birther thing to Hillary, and his lie about his taxes. Lester demanded he actually answer questions, which is good.

Trump partisans will complain that he didn't badger Hillary like that...well he never had to. She actually stayed on topic and addressed the actual questions with complete sentences and coherent thoughts.

Trump didn't lose any support from his most treasured supporters and his favorite demographic: "the uneducated; I love the uneducated! You know you are, the beautiful uneducated!" But he certainly didn't gain any new support.

I think the 4 black people that were supporting him are now voting for Johnson

 

[WelshBloke]

Trump seemed to have the sniffles and was drinking a lot of water...whats he hiding!!

 

[zinfamous]

No,the same type of attacks or confirmations were not asked to Hillary. Hillary wasn't asked about her email server, Clinton foundation, Benghazi, TPP, and others. Clearly some bias.

She was asked about her email server--directly from Holt. THey spend like 8 minutes on it. She was asked about TPP.

She was not asked about Bengazi because that is a fucking joke. After sitting through the congressional hearing for 11 hours where her most hated foes dismantled themselves over the absolute nothing that they had, asking her about Bengazi now would be like trying to "debate" evolution in public schools after the Dover trial in Pennsylvania so roundly squashed that.

The Clinton foundation? consider that a merciful omission because it would have only redirected to Trump and the fraud that he has been committing for years with his "foundation."

 

[MongGrel]

No,the same type of attacks or confirmations were not asked to Hillary. Hillary wasn't asked about her email server, Clinton foundation, Benghazi, TPP, and others. Clearly some bias.

Lester Holt negative questions to Trump: tax returns, birther issue ,Iraq war, Hillary presidential
looks

Negative questions to Clinton: None

Several of those issues came up.

Don't show up late and sound like you know what you are talking about.

 

[flexy]

I think people need to put politics aside and try to look at the debate from the mindset of an average American. Trump responded to each point mostly coherently and defended himself on the basis that he is and has been an effective business leader while Clinton has been directly involved in international affairs and has not been able to enact the change she wishes to make happen. That makes sense to someone who knows nothing about the middle east, except that we are at war with multiple countries over there for no good reason. And his 'deal' on releasing his taxes in return for releasing the e-mails makes sense to someone who has no grasp of confidentiality, or believes there is an ongoing conspiracy protecting Clinton.

His rhetoric range true with his constituents, the low information voters, and he will probably gain more support from the debate. I don't want him to be elected, but calling this a knockout in favor of Clinton is foolish, and exposes the common hubris that appears among supporters of the status quo. Clinton needs to do more to show how bad Trump's tax plan is, expose his lack of foreign policy experience, and continued waffling on issues. Obama was effective at pointing out problems and offering solutions. It is harder to get people to support more of the same when people's lives aren't perfect (and never will be) and someone is offering something new.

Don't get me wrong, I severely dislike Trump but what you say is correct. I had the same impression.
For the "simple minded", he performed exactly as they would expect and want, probably even "totally winning" this debate from their P.o.V.

 

[Sunburn74]

No,the same type of attacks or confirmations were not asked to Hillary. Hillary wasn't asked about her email server, Clinton foundation, Benghazi, TPP, and others. Clearly some bias.

Lester Holt negative questions to Trump: tax returns, birther issue ,Iraq war, Hillary presidential
looks

Negative questions to Clinton: None

She was directly asked about all of those except for Benghazi.