let's discuss artificial intelligence

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3 laws of robotics allways works

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Muse
I agree with you up to a point, and that point is your belief that machines will replace us.

They won't replace us, they will be us and we will be them. He's right, biological humans and intelligence in general is horribly inefficient and downright catastrophic on resource consumption. It's inevitable that one day, very likely one day not too long from now we will obtain enough technology and enough sensibility to change this.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
All human-created AI is and will be always be human. Humans are indistinguisable from their technology To give you an extreme example, the fictional Cylons from Battlestar Galactica are human.

AI is the next step of human evolution. This may sound absurd on it's face, but it is quite logically true. We are used to evolution taking immense amounts of tme, but we have effectively sped up evolution with the creation of AI. Example: An animal evolves a trait that helps it survive; longer claws, bigger eyes, faster legs, a more fluid-dynamic design, a BIGGER BRAIN. A human has a big brain which helps it maniupulate the world around it. Humans have since used their brains to speed up evolution by using tools, forming language and culture, and organizing. We are now at the point where our tools themselves are beginning to think. We are also at the point where our tools are themselves augmenting or surpassing our ability to design more better faster tools. It is only a matter of time before the tools we have made are capable of fully modeling the form and function of the human brain itself. Then they will make it bigger better faster (probably smaller actually). Augmentation of the human brain will just be an intermediary step. Eventually it will be replaced by a mechanical brain, as will the body.

The questions most people have are self-centered, non-thinking drivel. What will be the law? How will we treat AI people and computer intelligences? This is the garbage of the William Gibson realm. We will be the machines. We will be enhanced and then move completely to machines. Why? because they will be better.

The only serious moral question will be what to do with the innefficient resource-sucking meat people too ignorant, stupid, to desire this. My guess is we will exterminate them.

Oh, and in case you think this is like 500 years or more in the future, try about 100, and you will be alive (and doing science).

I agree with you up to a point, and that point is your belief that machines will replace us. They are extensions of ourselves, in that you are correct, and like Marshall McCluhan reflected, the computer is an extension of the brain, just as my roller skates (and cars) are extensions of my feet. However, you are not going to remove or replace my feet if I can help it and you better get up your guard if you try to replace my brain!

Edit: I knew a guy (only met him) who was a fellow student of one of my very best friends who attended Cal Tech. He seemed like quite a nice guy, but reserved. It was many years ago (before the advent of the personal computer) and he had the same opinion, that machines would replace us in terms of brain power, make us obsolete. Not long afterward he committed suicide. Somehow it didn't surprise me.

Like I said, you will want to. It's not even a debate in my mind, the only question is IF we get there, and the only reason we won't is if western civilization fails, either through our own bad behavior, or a natural calamity.

For a far better and clearer explanation backed up by data, I highly recommend The Singularity is Near, by Kurzweil. Whether you buy all of it or not, it is mindblowing and entertaining anyway because you may be able to discount a lot of it, but a lot of it will happen, and none of it is not mindblowing.

 

[Vageetasjn]

I haven't read through this whole thread so I don't know if there are other like-minded people other than NanoStuff and SphinxnihpS, but you guys don't happen to live in new york or thereabouts, do you? Cause meeting up with people who share a part of my worldview might be a worthwhile effort.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Muse
I agree with you up to a point, and that point is your belief that machines will replace us.

They won't replace us, they will be us and we will be them. He's right, biological humans and intelligence in general is horribly inefficient and downright catastrophic on resource consumption. It's inevitable that one day, very likely one day not too long from now we will obtain enough technology and enough sensibility to change this.

Umm, well we are them now and they are us. However, I don't think the human body will be replaced, and that includes the brain, of course.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS


Like I said, you will want to. It's not even a debate in my mind, the only question is IF we get there, and the only reason we won't is if western civilization fails, either through our own bad behavior, or a natural calamity.

For a far better and clearer explanation backed up by data, I highly recommend The Singularity is Near, by Kurzweil. Whether you buy all of it or not, it is mindblowing and entertaining anyway because you may be able to discount a lot of it, but a lot of it will happen, and none of it is not mindblowing.

The Berkeley Public Library has 6 copies and none of them is checked out. I just went online and a copy will come to my local branch for my pickup, probably Monday. I've heard of it before.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Vageetasjn
I haven't read through this whole thread so I don't know if there are other like-minded people other than NanoStuff and SphinxnihpS, but you guys don't happen to live in new york or thereabouts, do you? Cause meeting up with people who share a part of my worldview might be a worthwhile effort.

Toronto, but in the future New York will be just 2 milliseconds away.

Originally posted by: Muse
Umm, well we are them now and they are us.

You're not aware how literal I was being

Originally posted by: Muse
However, I don't think the human body will be replaced, and that includes the brain, of course.

With constantly improving technology and our ability to manipulate the world and ourselves, you don't suppose we will try to do just that, not a thousand years... a million? It doesn't seem very logical to me that we will possess all this technology and not use it, historically it just doesn't make sense. This is something that is inevitable, however it's not so much that but rather how long from now that's the real shocker.