lets cut off israel

[smc13]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Dari
israel will only move closer to china. Remember the levi fighter?

Heh, yeah take on the whole Muslim world so they can do little arm deal with Isreal? Chinese is smarter then you think. Oh and plus Chinese don't have bunch of Jewish people in their gonvernment or paying their politicians, so I highly doubt Chinese government is gonna take over America and be the protector of Isreal.

No, actually Israel is allying itself with India, Turkey and other decent countries around the world. Israeli's ties with Russia have certainly warmed in the recent years. If I'm not mistaken, there are about 1 million Russians who live in Israel. There is a lot more commonality between Russia and Israel than differences and they are both fighting Radical Islamists, just like India is.

You're a typical hater who repeats all the lies that have been said before. What Jews are in the Bush administration? Just because America is a strong supporter of Israel doesn't mean the evil Jews are forcing pressure on the government to support it.

Harry S. Truman was probably one of the most strongest backers of Israel and instantly recognized the state, was he being pressured by Jews as well? In fact, since Israel's creation in 1948, every American administration has had very good ties with Israel, so were there Jews in every America administration that pressured the government?

Also, why would America back Israel, a country so tiny and with only about 6 million people? It has very little natural resources, not an abundant labor force and a limited clout. Clearly, America should back those tyrannical Arab countries which have so much land and hundreds of millions of people and billions of barrles of blood oil. Right?

There is something called standing up for what is right.

Haha, that's right, there are countries other than America that gives Israel $3 billion every year for the last 20 years, mostly in military assistance. And if you really think American government does that out of goodness of heart, I am not going to waste my time debating with a naive person like you.

We give Egypt billions each year. And thats just aid, not military equipment.

Yout point?

Egypt gets 1/2 of Israel's assistance while having 10x the population and much worse economic condition. Care to explain that?

Israel is a Democracy while Egypt has had the same "President" for twenty years. Egypt's economic condition is the result of their leadership. Israel has helped the US to obtain intelligence (as well has acted as the middle man in Iran-Contra). Egypt used to have strong ties with the Soviet Union. When Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal in '56 they gave the Soviet Black sea fleet a way to get to the Indian Ocean. Anyway, the reason Israel has gotten more money from America is that they have always been an ally and Egypt wasn't.

 

[dmcowen674]

Topic Title: Let's cut off Israel

I have many Jewish friends however I cannot condone the way they hate and discriminate. We should cut them off and let them fend for themselves again.

 

[dannybin1742]

Also, why would America back Israel, a country so tiny and with only about 6 million people? It has very little natural resources, not an abundant labor force and a limited clout. Clearly, America should back those tyrannical Arab countries which have so much land and hundreds of millions of people and billions of barrles of blood oil. Right?

think about it, they are our only allies in the middle east, we can park ships and launch planes and sit troops there if we need to..... thats just common sense right there, should anything happen to the oil flow, we got troops, ships and planes there........

 

[dannybin1742]

my thoughts exactly

All foreign aid could be directed towards our schools were its most needed to continue our success

 

[dannybin1742]

Syria is a large supporter of terrorism.

this is only parially true, they are one of the largest supporters of hammas, they do not support al Qida

open a history book...assad the first wiped out the muslim brotherhood in syria in the 70s, the were the pre al Qida jihad troops, they became al Qida

and no i can't spell, its late here, and i hate proof reading and looking up words

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

Also, why would America back Israel, a country so tiny and with only about 6 million people? It has very little natural resources, not an abundant labor force and a limited clout. Clearly, America should back those tyrannical Arab countries which have so much land and hundreds of millions of people and billions of barrles of blood oil. Right?

think about it, they are our only allies in the middle east, we can park ships and launch planes and sit troops there if we need to..... thats just common sense right there, should anything happen to the oil flow, we got troops, ships and planes there........

Like that's really working with Iraq???

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

Also, why would America back Israel, a country so tiny and with only about 6 million people? It has very little natural resources, not an abundant labor force and a limited clout. Clearly, America should back those tyrannical Arab countries which have so much land and hundreds of millions of people and billions of barrles of blood oil. Right?

think about it, they are our only allies in the middle east, we can park ships and launch planes and sit troops there if we need to..... thats just common sense right there, should anything happen to the oil flow, we got troops, ships and planes there........

Like that's really working with Iraq???

Like that has anything to do with anything? What the @#$! is your hamburger? Care to explain the outward bound motor perimeter? What the hell are you talking about?

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

Syria is a large supporter of terrorism.

this is only parially true, they are one of the largest supporters of hammas, they do not support al Qida

open a history book...assad the first wiped out the muslim brotherhood in syria in the 70s, the were the pre al Qida jihad troops, they became al Qida

and no i can't spell, its late here, and i hate proof reading and looking up words

So because they don't support al-qaeda, they are only a "partial" supporter of terrorism?

Syria is fledging with terrorists willing to kill Americans and Israeli's at will. No one disputes this. I can't believe people on this forum spout ignorant stuff like this. "I hate looking up words and proofreading" ... that's all I should have read.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Yeah, fvck those Jews. Too bad the Holocaust was ended prematurely. After all they've been through, they certainly don't deserve even a 20-mile wide stretch of beach in the most desolate, violent, theocratic, archaic, fanatic, ignorant, generally disgusting region on the entire planet. Here's hoping Hamas kills every last Jew, one woman and child at a time.

Give Palestine back to the Palestianians (even though it never fvcking existed in the first place)! Child-killers are freedom-fighters! Anti-Semitism is trendy! Down with the only democracy in the entire God-forsaken Middle East! Lalalalalalalalalalala!

You disgust me. Go throw a rock.

 

[judasmachine]

there can simply never be peace while american churches are pouring millions into helping jewish people move to israel so they can build new houses on palestinian land. if a foriegn power was helping huge groups of sometimes violent people move to america to build a house on your property, you'd stone, shoot, and blow them up too.

 

[Dissipate]

The Jewish lobby in the U.S. is far too strong to cut off the welfare to Israel.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
there can simply never be peace while american churches are pouring millions into helping jewish people move to israel so they can build new houses on palestinian land. if a foriegn power was helping huge groups of sometimes violent people move to america to build a house on your property, you'd stone, shoot, and blow them up too.

Timeout Cowboy.

The Palestinians never had their own land just like the Israeli's didn't have their own land.

The solution is for the Palestinains to have their own land but the Israeli's vow to never allow that to happen.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
The Jewish lobby in the U.S. is far too strong to cut off the welfare to Israel.

 

[raildogg]

I bet some of you really mean "Those bastid evil Jews! My, the Holocaust ended 50 years too soon. Evil Jews!".

The Jewish lobby in the U.S. is far too strong to cut off the welfare to Israel.

Translates into:

"Evil, devious Jews plotting a true evil takeover. Those rotten Jews control the media and our government. Why didn't Hitler just finish the job."

Hey guys, I have a plan.

Lets let those evil rotten Jews suffer and die on their own. But lets increase our aid tenfold to the Arab neighbors of Israel so they can kill off those rotten Jews faster. Of course the Jews are the most evil people in the world, strapping bombs on their bodies and blowing up innocent kids. Filling the minds of youngsters with hate and denying there was any Palestinian land whatsoever. In fact, those rotten Jews don't even have Israel on the maps. My, how evil they are.

So lets arm those wonderful Arab regimes to the teeth. Lets give them F-18's, F-15's, F-16's, F-21's and about 10,000 M1A2's so they can finish off those rotten Jews once and for all. Yipeee. Of course, those Arab regimes are probably the most peaceful, tolerant and extremely modern group of people. Why, the women have equality of men, they can drive, and they can wear anything they want. Heck, I bet women earn more in those Arab countries than men do.

Those Arab countries should be a role model to the world about human rights. There is ZERO abuse of human rights in those countries. In fact, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have one of the better track records. We should learn a thing or two from these wonderful Arab regimes. Also, these Arab nations have the best democratic system in the world. They put American and European democracies to shame. If I had the chance, I would move over to the Mid East as soon as possible. I bet ya they would greet me with open arms. The Mid East is the richest, most beautful, peaceful, coziest, snug, wonderful, heavenly, non-violent place on Earth.

Why can't America and Europe be more like those wonderful Arab countries?? :|

 

[Trente]

Israel will not be able to survive (in the long term, that is) without the current American support. If Israel goes down, I say let it deliver it's 200 nuclear warheads as a present for the ME... "tamut nafshi im plishtim".

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: raildogg
I bet some of you really mean "Those bastid evil Jews! My, the Holocaust ended 50 years too soon. Evil Jews!".

The Jewish lobby in the U.S. is far too strong to cut off the welfare to Israel.

Translates into:

"Evil, devious Jews plotting a true evil takeover. Those rotten Jews control the media and our government. Why didn't Hitler just finish the job."

Hey guys, I have a plan.

Lets let those evil rotten Jews suffer and die on their own. But lets increase our aid tenfold to the Arab neighbors of Israel so they can kill off those rotten Jews faster. Of course the Jews are the most evil people in the world, strapping bombs on their bodies and blowing up innocent kids. Filling the minds of youngsters with hate and denying there was any Palestinian land whatsoever. In fact, those rotten Jews don't even have Israel on the maps. My, how evil they are.

So lets arm those wonderful Arab regimes to the teeth. Lets give them F-18's, F-15's, F-16's, F-21's and about 10,000 M1A2's so they can finish off those rotten Jews once and for all. Yipeee. Of course, those Arab regimes are probably the most peaceful, tolerant and extremely modern group of people. Why, the women have equality of men, they can drive, and they can wear anything they want. Heck, I bet women earn more in those Arab countries than men do.

Those Arab countries should be a role model to the world about human rights. There is ZERO abuse of human rights in those countries. In fact, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have one of the better track records. We should learn a thing or two from these wonderful Arab regimes. Also, these Arab nations have the best democratic system in the world. They put American and European democracies to shame. If I had the chance, I would move over to the Mid East as soon as possible. I bet ya they would greet me with open arms. The Mid East is the richest, most beautful, peaceful, coziest, snug, wonderful, heavenly, non-violent place on Earth.

Why can't America and Europe be more like those wonderful Arab countries?? :|

Your an Idiot, Read some of Dissipate other statments he doesn't want any goverment.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

Syria is a large supporter of terrorism.

this is only parially true, they are one of the largest supporters of hammas, they do not support al Qida

open a history book...assad the first wiped out the muslim brotherhood in syria in the 70s, the were the pre al Qida jihad troops, they became al Qida

and no i can't spell, its late here, and i hate proof reading and looking up words

You also don't seem to be able to read to well. I never stated that syria supported al Queda.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
there can simply never be peace while american churches are pouring millions into helping jewish people move to israel so they can build new houses on palestinian land. if a foriegn power was helping huge groups of sometimes violent people move to america to build a house on your property, you'd stone, shoot, and blow them up too.

There is no Palestinian land.

 

[phillyTIM]

israel is a mad dog, and should be shot; its out of control, but will never be stopped because it's really a puppet for bush's regime

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: Dari
israel will only move closer to china. Remember the levi fighter?

mm no. im only 18, refresh my memory.

Never would have guess that with your oversimplified view of the situation.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
i agree, i also support stopping sending money abroad to any country, then i'll start voting for people who cut taxes, fix the problems here before we start trying to solve the world's problems

its time they stand on their own two feet

i agree with you with certain countries like israel- but unfortunately, too many countries got royally effed by imperialism, etc., and just arent ready yet. to cut them loose would lead to more darfur-like genocide and a sinking global economy.

I am just impressed with your total lack of logic on this. It is ok to cutoff an ally in a region where they are surrounded by enemies? But lets keep the money flow open to people who got screwed by European imperialism 80 years ago?

btw your ideas about Israel are off the mark. Somebody already schooled you above so I wont waste our time doing it again.

 

[mordantmonkey]

WOW people on here are complaining about the financial and "military" aid we give to countries. Ha. we may give countries financial aid, but we sell them military hardware. alot of times the financial aid depends on the country spending a certaint percentage of it on our military hardware. I'm sure GE and Lockheed would have lots to say about our government "cutting off" any nation we supply aid and arms to.

let's recap... we pay tax to our gov't, our gov't gives aid to other countries, other countries buy arms form american weapons contractors, american companies profit; people get killed. wheeeeee!!
i'd rather the weapons companies just storm into my house and demand my money at gunpoint, at least that way less people would be killed.

 

[mordantmonkey]

further more, there are many countries that US companies cannot legally sell weapons to. Guess where many of those countries buy their american weapons from instead?

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The solution is for the Palestinains to have their own land but the Israeli's vow to never allow that to happen.

Just like the "Palestinians" vow to drive the jews into the sea.

The solution for peace in the region needs to meet four requirements:
1) Israel needs to keep some land.
2) The palestinians need to get some land.
3) The Israelis need to stop attacks on Palestinians.
4) The Palestinians need to stop attacks on Israelis.

The problems are as follows:
1) Israel wants to keep the best land. Past history has shown they need land that gives them a tactical advantage.
2) I don't believe the palestinians will be happy with any deal offered them.
3) Even if they are only retaliating, the Palestinians don't view Israeli military action as such.
4) The Palestinians can't control their own.

In my opinion, the biggest barrier above is #4. Until the PA can control the palestinians, the Israelis have no reason to make any deals. The problem is that the fundies will ignore the PA and continue the bloodshed.

I think if they can end hostilities, both sides might be willing to deal on the issue of land.

My opinion? The PA says/implies they can't control their own. Until they can, they have nothing to negotiate with. Israeli children will continue to die and Israelis will continue to "retaliate."

 

[MrPabulum]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
there can simply never be peace while american churches are pouring millions into helping jewish people move to israel so they can build new houses on palestinian land. if a foriegn power was helping huge groups of sometimes violent people move to america to build a house on your property, you'd stone, shoot, and blow them up too.

The Arab nations were trying to destroy Israel long before the land settlement issue became a factor. It became an issue only when the context of the debate changed. Originally, it was tiny Israel versus the rest of the Arab world. When the Arab nations recognized that going to war against Israel wasn't paying the dividends they expected, they changed the context to "Israel and the plight of the Palestinians". The plight is real because the Arab countries created and perpetutated the Palestinian refugee problem; it was in their political interest to direct their peoples' (and Palestinian) general discontent towards Israel. In large part they succeeded. Given the last two decades, the Israelis distrust the Palestinians, but the Arabs simply never liked the Palestinians, and had no interest to sort out the refugee problem accelerated by war against Israel.

Bottom line, solve the land settlement issue and the Israel/Palestine conflict will continue unabated. Why? Because groups like Hamas and Hezbollah refuse to acknowledge Israel's basic right to exist. Arafat ultimately refused to recognize Israel's right to exist, particularly based on what he said in his native tongue. Perhaps Abbas will be better. Perhaps he will rally those Palestinians (and we must assume some exist) that are interested in moving on with their lives, which includes living side by side with Israel.