Let's compile: Assessments of the world's ability to stop Iran from getting nukes

[Brovane]

Nuke Israel and if possible the united states.

What would be the reliable delivery method of the atomic device to these destinations?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What would be the reliable delivery method of the atomic device to these destinations?

An over sized paper airplane.

 

[Meghan54]

The only option is to destroy to oppressive Iran government and restore the people to their once glorious past. The people of Iran have a rich history. Give that history back to them.

You know, we tried that already back in 1953 when the U.S. and UK overthrew the elected govt. of Iran and installed the Shah. How'd that work out?

And let me ask you this.....how many lives of Americans are you willing to sacrifice to overthrow the current Iranian government and are you going to volunteer for military service and go over?

BTW.....this situation is nothing like the 1930's and Germany. The entire continent of Europe was only 20 years removed from WWI and most Britians, French, Italians were searching for a way to prevent another war on the continent.

True, Hitler did annex parts of Czechoslovakia, with the same rationale that Putin used to annex Georgia. So does that make GWB equal to Chamberlain? We did absolutely nothing when Putin/Russia annexed Georgia, an independent state at the time. Sounds just like appeasement to me.

And I seem to remember the cries of wanting to get Iran to the negotiating table. Well, it's happened. Now some are trying to move the goal posts. Seems to me that some won't be happy until we put boots on the ground in Iran, but that would incite a bloody regional war we, again, cannot win. But, just as we didn't learn from our Iranian adventure in 1953 nor the Iraq War fomented by GWB, the hawks are bleating again.


As an aside, why aren't you demanding we invade South Africa? After all, SA has over 400 pounds of highly enriched uranium in storage. Storage facilities that have been breached by thieves in the last few months. SA refuses to let anyone see, check, verify the amount is what they claim to have remaining, but I don't hear drum beats for invasion of SA to ensure the enriched uranium there is safe from terrorists, etc.

And why aren't you also demanding Israel sign the NPT, Non-Proliferation Treaty? This is the same treaty that Iran has signed, along with most of the civilized world.

 

[theeedude]

Iran is 1930s nazi Germany.

Obama is Neville Chamberlain.

We know how this is going to play out, as the world has seen it before. But in this case obama wants Iran to further their nuclear program. I am surprised obama did not force the representatives from Iran to take weapons grade plutonium back with them. Here is a coupon you can cash in at the pentagon, buy one get ten free nukes.

The only option is to destroy to oppressive Iran government and restore the people to their once glorious past. The people of Iran have a rich history. Give that history back to them.

Americans should keep this type of idiotic thinking out of power, unless we want thousands of our soldiers killed for a fools errand again.

 

[Pocatello]

Iran is taking over the Middle East as American's influence in the region is waning. Supplying weapons, providing training for the Shiite to fight against the Sunni. While the Saudis are helping the Sunni. I see more civil wars and deaths. If Iran has the nuke, Saudi will have the nuke, from Pakistan. The only thing I can say is get the hell out while we can.

 

[crashtech]

Without a credible threat, arms makers would see a downturn in business. So it's normal that certain interests would strive to turn somewhat insignificant threats into existential crises.

I personally don't much care if Iran gets nukes. I dare them to ever use them, as if they can't anticipate becoming a smoking hole in the ground as a consequence. Nukes are only effective as a deterrent. The only real threat in regards to nuclear weapons is stateless bad actors stealing one, which is probably a greater threat in Pakistan than anywhere, yet no one pays attention to that.

 

[theeedude]

Sanctions regime is already collapsing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/world/europe/putin-lifts-ban-on-russian-missile-sales-to-iran.html

MOSCOW — In a move that is sure to raise hackles in Washington, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia lifted a ban on sales of sophisticated Russian air defense missiles to Iran on Monday, moving swiftly to take advantage of a possible thaw in relations due to a potential deal curbing Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

The delivery of the S-300 surface-to-air missile system to Iran, a deal suspended five years ago in the face of United Nations sanctions, could significantly bolster Iran’s defenses against any future attack on its nuclear facilities.

No timetable was announced for the sale. But the military deal, along with an oil-for-goods exchange program that Moscow has been negotiating with Tehran for months, showed that Russia was determined to fight for a share of the economic spoils should a deal with Iran be reached and international trade ties resume.

So keeping sanctions as they are is no longer a choice. Even if US Congress blocks a deal, Europe won't stand by as Russia takes Iran under it's umbrella, they will strike their own deal with Tehran. They need Iran to diversify their gas supplies away from Russia, having it go the other way is a much bigger threat to them than Iran. China and India will strike their own deals too, then Iran will get to sell its oil and keep their nukes.

 

[Genx87]

Same thing was said about Hitler when he started rebuilding the German military.

There is no way we can stop Hitler, so let's make some treaties with him.

We know how that turned out.

I'm unaware of Irans intentions to expand their borders. One would think after nearly 40 years after the fall of the Shah they would had made some move. Their only military conflict came at the hands of an aggressive Iraq that we supplied.

 

[Jaskalas]

The only option is to destroy to oppressive Iran government and restore the people to their once glorious past. The people of Iran have a rich history. Give that history back to them.

Destroy... restore. Last Republican to try that gave birth to ISIS. At the optional cost of 50,000+ coalition casualties, mostly American. You think repeating that mistake is a positive thing?

 

[Jaskalas]

Sanctions regime is already collapsing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/world/europe/putin-lifts-ban-on-russian-missile-sales-to-iran.html

So keeping sanctions as they are is no longer a choice.

Our hand is forced, we must do something.
Double, triple down... full scale invasion - elimination of all nuclear capability... or strike a peace deal. Go big, or go home. Those are the paths before us.

 

[nickqt]

Iran is 1930s nazi Germany.

Obama is Neville Chamberlain.

We know how this is going to play out, as the world has seen it before. But in this case obama wants Iran to further their nuclear program. I am surprised obama did not force the representatives from Iran to take weapons grade plutonium back with them. Here is a coupon you can cash in at the pentagon, buy one get ten free nukes.

The only option is to destroy to oppressive Iran government and restore the people to their once glorious past. The people of Iran have a rich history. Give that history back to them.

Quick!

Name a war Iran has started in the last 2000 years.

 

[shira]

Iran is 1930s nazi Germany.

Obama is Neville Chamberlain.

We know how this is going to play out, as the world has seen it before. But in this case obama wants Iran to further their nuclear program. I am surprised obama did not force the representatives from Iran to take weapons grade plutonium back with them. Here is a coupon you can cash in at the pentagon, buy one get ten free nukes.

The only option is to destroy to oppressive Iran government and restore the people to their once glorious past. The people of Iran have a rich history. Give that history back to them.

So not only are you advocating a war in which the U.S. somehow destroys all of Iran's nuclear infrastructure, but you are also advocating an invasion where we remove the existing government from power. And presumably the U.S. will need an extremely large, long-term commitment of troops there in a caretaker role as we replace the old government with a new, fully functioning, Democratic regime that fosters mature, freedom-respecting institutions and protects this new Iranian republic from the threat of Islamist groups.

How much time, money, and American lives are you budgeting for this modest endeavor?

 

[crashtech]

Shouldn't the game be a little different now that the US is a net oil exporter? It appears that there is a lot of outdated thinking in re Middle East foreign policy

 

[Brovane]

So not only are you advocating a war in which the U.S. somehow destroys all of Iran's nuclear infrastructure, but you are also advocating an invasion where we remove the existing government from power. And presumably the U.S. will need an extremely large, long-term commitment of troops there in a caretaker role as we replace the old government with a new, fully functioning, Democratic regime that fosters mature, freedom-respecting institutions and protects this new Iranian republic from the threat of Islamist groups.

How much time, money, and American lives are you budgeting for this modest endeavor?

Oh yes, these same Republicans are allergic to any tax hikes to pay for this.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh yes, these same Republicans are allergic to any tax hikes to pay for this.

Just borrow the money, like Dubya. Then whine about the debt.

 

[nickqt]

Just borrow the money, like Dubya. Then whine about the debt.

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter".
-Dick Cheney

Cheney was incorrect, as deficits do matter, as soon as a Democrat is sitting in the White House. Then it is of the utmost importance.

Because Freedom.

 

[Jhhnn]

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter".
-Dick Cheney

Cheney was incorrect, as deficits do matter, as soon as a Democrat is sitting in the White House. Then it is of the utmost importance.

Because Freedom.

Because Values. Because Merricuh. Because Terrarists. But mostly because Israel, our lying little buddy.

Lucky for Iran that we don't have the same bargaining advantages Bibi has over the Palestinians, huh?