Let's analyze a really bad credit card offer...

kranky

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With the high interest level ;) here related to credit cards, let's take a look at an offer I got in the mail today and see why it's exceptionally crappy.

First, the big print. 0% Fixed APR on Purchases until January 2003! No annual fee! 9.99% Fixed APR Balance Transfer! So far, it sounds interesting, but let's look further.

What does "fixed" mean? Does it mean my interest rate can't change? No, it does not. The fine print says it means that "rates are not tied to an index that varies based on market rates." They can change your rate at any time to a new "fixed" rate.

A little card in the envelope says, "The benefits of this Visa Platinum card are hard to beat... You've earned it, so don't let this offer pass you by!" Saying "you've earned it" is meant to make you think you are special, and this is a sweet deal for special people only. Don't fall for that.

Now let's dig into the very, very fine print for the bad stuff. Under "Other APRs" it says the Default/Closure APR is up to 24.99%. That rate applies each time you fail to make at least the minimum payment when due OR upon closure of your account. The rate "may" be raised up to 24.99%. The bank is betting you drop the ball someday and they can jack up your rate into the stratosphere. In fact, banks often ask the credit bureaus for listings of people who have reasonably good credit but occasionally made late payments - in the hope that you sign up for their card and they get a chance to stick you with that 24.99% interest rate.

Next, we have the Grace Period disclosure. Boiling it down to plain English, if you don't pay your balance in full, your new purchases will accrue interest from the date of purchase. That's bad.

Convenient payment option? Sure! If you pay by phone or online, they "may" charge a fee of $9.95. I will bet you that when you pay online they don't remind you of the $9.95 fee.

Now what happens if I have a nice balance at the special 0% interest rate and continue to purchase things after the 0% expiration date of January 2003? My payments are applied to the lowest APR balance first. So if I don't pay off immediately, my payments all go against the 0% balance. My balance that is racking up interest won't get touched until all the 0% balance is paid off. That's pretty common, but again they are hoping you carry a big balance during the zero interest period and can't afford to pay it off in full in January 2003. And don't forget, they won't remind you in January that your interest rate is changing. It will just show up on your new statements.

And the grand finale: if a change is made to the Finance Charge, the new rate will apply to your entire balance from the effective date of the change. The new rate applies whether or not you continue to use the account. Here's where they are hoping to hit the jackpot. Let's say you don't have an extensive credit record, so you aren't getting offers in the mail every day. You sign up for this card, run up a decent balance, and a few months down the road they tell you your rate is going way up. Since they know you might not have other cards to move your balance to, they can arbitrarily raise your interest rate to whatever they feel like, hoping you can't move it to another card. Even if you have a perfect payment record.

Before you jump at a credit card offer, you must read that incredibly dull fine print to see where they are going to stick it to you.
 

Jfur

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My husband got one with a 24.99% APR, an annual fee, and a $200+ activation fee. You could only use it to buy overpriced things at certain sites. And there was a number in bold print that said "call now to activate or ask questions." I'm sure if one called it would automatically activate and charge you.
 

Russ

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BTW, I recently hit the big one. Home Depot sent me a pre-approved card!

Russ, NCNE
 

randomlinh

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heh, and you also get the few that are just flat out pointless. why are you going to ask me to pay $50/mo for a CC? I have a few that are no fee... and why are you going to say "great low 19.99% APR".. that's freakin horrible. altho, all the cards i have do have that "if you default, you get jacked to 24.99" clause.. i make all my payments in full tho.. a few times i'll carry a balance (online paying helps A LOT).

It's funny, my mom applied for a providian card for some reason.. and she just got an offer to raise her credit limit for $50. she started laughing and threw it away.
 

911paramedic

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Look at the cr@p that I just saw on my credit report the other day....



  • 03/28/2002 Equifax Consumer Services

    02/26/2002 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    02/22/2002 PRM-Name Seeker,Inc.

    02/12/2002 PRM-At&T Wireless

    02/12/2002 PRM-Citifinancial

    12/28/2001 PRM-Capital One

    12/13/2001 PRM-Capital One

    11/08/2001 PRM-Texaco/Citibank SD

    11/07/2001 PRM-Citgo/Citibank SD

    10/10/2001 PRM-At&T Wireless

    09/28/2001 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    09/26/2001 PRM-CB&T

    09/26/2001 PRM-Assoc/Citibank SD

    09/10/2001 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    09/02/2001 PRM-Fingerhut National Bank

    08/31/2001 PRM-Nationwide Insurance

    08/13/2001 PRM-Capital One

    08/07/2001 PRM-Fingerhut National Bank

    08/06/2001 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    07/25/2001 PRM-Nationwide Insurance

    07/23/2001 PRM-Assoc/Citibank SD

    07/11/2001 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    07/05/2001 PRM-Capital One

    06/28/2001 Nextcard

    06/15/2001 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    06/14/2001 PRM-CB&T

    06/14/2001 PRM-Assoc/Citibank SD

    05/16/2001 PRM-At&T Wireless

    04/30/2001 Old Kent Mortgage Company

    04/23/2001 PRM-Providian Bancorp

    04/18/2001 PRM-CB&T

    04/06/2001 PRM-At&T Wireless Services


PRM, AM, AR, INQ, EQUIFAX, ACIS and UPDATE inquiries do not show on credit files that businesses receive, only on copies provided to you.


:Q
 

Elita1

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HOT diggitty damn, I'd be a moron to NOT sign up! I got lots of magic money trees to burn!;)

also gotta love the "dated material! please send reply before the deadline to get this once in a lifetime offer!".
see that a lot on these card offers lately.
 

Cyberian

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<< My husband got one with a 24.99% APR, an annual fee, and a $200+ activation fee. You could only use it to buy overpriced things at certain sites. And there was a number in bold print that said "call now to activate or ask questions." I'm sure if one called it would automatically activate and charge you. >>


That sounds like a great deal! How can I get that offer?
 

Russ

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<< "dated material! please send reply before the deadline to get this once in a lifetime offer!". >>



Yeah, that statement doesn't have much credibility in light of the fact that we know another will most likely be arriving tomorrow.

Russ, NCNE
 

RossMAN

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Bump for a great post, I get at least 3 of these great offers every week.

My favorite are the sleazy kinds which target idiots or people really desperate for credit. They claim you're pre-approved for a "credit limit up to $1,000" of course there's an application fee of $59, annual fee of $39 and activation fee of $99.
 

Sophia

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Hey, let's not forget the ones where they actually mail you a check for thousands of dollars! By cashing the check you sign yourself up for the card and agree to pay back some riduculously high monthly installment for, oh, forever.

By the way, here's an opt-out number.
Credit Bureaus
The credit bureaus offer a toll-free number that enables you to "opt-out" of having pre-approved credit offers sent to you for two years. Call 1-888-5-OPTOUT (567-8688) for more information.
More info from the FTC
 

manly

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kranky,

Believe it or not, that's an average offer. It's not as bad as it sounds, except to Hot Deals shoppers like you have on AT.

The sad part is 8 out of 10 consumers would not read or wouldn't understand the fine print and why it's a cold deal in reality. If you're a cynic, you could say marketing (in this case) is about scamming the less educated.
 

kranky

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manly, perhaps it is an average offer in the big picture, but compared to the ones I usually see, it was pretty bad once I started into the fine print.

The fee for paying online, no grace period for new purchases if I carry a balance, and the inability to pay off existing balances at the former interest rate (higher rates apply to all balances even if I don't use the account any more) were what really stuck out.

Technically, the offer did not come addressed to me, but to someone else in my family who doesn't have an extensive credit history. It became clear that this offer was aimed at people who might be fairly new to credit and wouldn't necessarily realize all the "gotchas".
 

sharkeeper

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My criteria for shopping for a good CC:

Grace period is essential. Without a GP, there is no benefit to using someone else's money FREE for 25+ days. No matter what the APR is, balance transfer incentives, without a GP, the offer goes in the shredder immediately!

NO ANNUAL FEE! Nobody should EVER pay an annual fee for a CC, PERIOD. 'nuff said.

0% APR for all balance transfers for no less than six months. Of course, there are a lot of tricks they play with this after the introductory period. However, a lot of people just transfer from one account to another every six months if they carry a substantial balance.

APR of no more than 10.00% FIXED! Anything higher is just too damn high! Now if this is your first card and you don't plan to carry any balance (GP is important!!!) then 12% is ok. Just remember anything over 1.5 times prime is a crime! :)

I currently have a Fleet Bank Titanium with 8.99% APR FIXED and it's about the best you can get at this time. These upscale banks (like First USA) certainly don't give credit to anyone (most won't give it to you unless your score is 700+) but the ones with GOOD CREDIT get rewarded with benefits that you can really use. Credit is a VALUABLE ASSET! Use it WISELY! :)

Cheers!
 

Thegonagle

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<< Credit is a VALUABLE ASSET! >>

That is an extreme contridiction of terms, IMO, but I know what you mean.

I've seen some pretty lame offers come my way. $200 one time program fee, $500 security deposit required, $99 annual fee, $7 monthly fee, 25% interest rate with a 35% "if you're ever late" rate, it goes on and on. I must have received hundreds of them by now.

I can tell my credit is getting better by the quality of the offers I receive in the mail. They're still not good enough for me. I have one credit card with a not-outrageous 14.xx fixed rate, a grace period, and no annual fee. I almost bit on one decent offer, but just as I was finished fill it out, I put it in the shredder instead of the mail. It wasn't really any better than what I have.