Let the Manning vs Luck debate begin! *Official NFL Week 7 Thread*

[smackababy]

KC have 30 sacks in 6 games. That is 5 per game on average. KC has returned 1 fumble for a TD and 3 INTs for a TD. That is 4 total defensive TDs. Less than 7 points per game on defense is scored.

So, if you would like to make another silly statement about Denver winning a game, go right ahead. I'll be sure it is quoted repeatedly as well.

 

[AMDZen]

See you spout stats and they're not even right, nor do you give both sides.

KC is ranked 9th in PPG, not 7th. Broncos are first with 44+ AINEC with the second rated team scoring 14 less than that. The story becomes clear when you see KC is 25th in the league in YPG.

Broncos are first in the league in sacks allowed with 5, less than 1 per game and KC is just going to magically get 5 in one game? Because Manning doesn't have the quickest release in the NFL, right?

KC is ranked 21st with 16 sacks aloud.

Oakland is last in the league in sacks allowed at 27, partially because Pryor is an idiot but still.

KC is only 1st in Defense on points allowed. They are 6th in yards allowed. Carolina is number one showing how much that matters.

 

[lupi]

Stay classy detroit

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ootball-player-demarius-reed-found-shot-death

 

[AMDZen]

KC have 30 sacks in 6 games. That is 5 per game on average. KC has returned 1 fumble for a TD and 3 INTs for a TD. That is 4 total defensive TDs. Less than 7 points per game on defense is scored.

So, if you would like to make another silly statement about Denver winning a game, go right ahead. I'll be sure it is quoted repeatedly as well.

KC has 25.3 PPG, which equates to 14.something on offense alone and 10.something on Defense/ST a game. I am trying to find where I saw that but its a fact. Its hard to find the stat breaking it down to how the points were actually scored.

 

[rudeguy]

KC has 25.3 PPG, which equates to 14.something on offense alone and 10.something on Defense/ST a game. I am trying to find where I saw that but its a fact. Its hard to find the stat breaking it down to how the points were actually scored.

just ignore him

I'm in the process of figuring out who he became after he got banned, then became who he was before he started becoming who he is now again.

I'll figure it out. In the mean time...just let him keep babbling. No one listens to him anyway

 

[smackababy]

KC has 25.3 PPG, which equates to 14.something on offense alone and 10.something on Defense/ST a game. I am trying to find where I saw that but its a fact. Its hard to find the stat breaking it down to how the points were actually scored.

KC has 1 special teams TD (it was a punt return). Now, they have 4 defensive touchdowns. That brings them down to 19.4 PPG. Almost 3 offensive touchdowns. Now, points against is 10.83 PPG. Compared to Denver who is 44.17 PPG and 26.33 PPG against. It seems very logical that KC will score higher than usual against Denver and Denver will score lower than usual against KC.

 

[BUTCH1]

KC has 25.3 PPG, which equates to 14.something on offense alone and 10.something on Defense/ST a game. I am trying to find where I saw that but its a fact. Its hard to find the stat breaking it down to how the points were actually scored.

KC is a much improved team and I anticipate a decent game at arrowhead but have they really stopped an offense as good as the Broncos now have??, no. Difficult to beat a team that has so many different looks, sets, plays, HOF QB, best slot receiver ever, decent running game too boot. I'd like to see an upset just because but if I had to put my $$ on it I would stay with the Broncos..

 

[AMDZen]

KC is a much improved team and I anticipate a decent game at arrowhead but have they really stopped an offense as good as the Broncos now have??, no. Difficult to beat a team that has so many different looks, sets, plays, HOF QB, best slot receiver ever, decent running game too boot. I'd like to see an upset just because but if I had to put my $$ on it I would stay with the Broncos..

I can't argue with that at all. KC certainly has a shot. They do at Arrowhead no matter what team they have. The Broncos play poorly at Arrowhead regardless of how good their team is or how bad the Chiefs are. And KC plays good against the Broncos even when they have a shitty team. That is a fact. They are just historically bad in that stadium, even both years Elway won the SB I believe we lost in KC. Terrible place for the Broncos

 

[Ban Bot]

Denver is scary good on offense. That said...

Broncos are first in the league in sacks allowed with 5, less than 1 per game and KC is just going to magically get 5 in one game? Because Manning doesn't have the quickest release in the NFL, right?

5 in one game is a lot. But it surely isn't unbelievable.

It is all about match ups. Just because DEN allows ~1 sack a game doesn't mean a great DEF couldn't get a handful. Yes, Manning is great at getting the ball out quickly and has a handful of great targets.

Yet DEN lost their best OL player. That is one weeker link to attack *if* you have the personel to capitolize. KC has very good DBs and a good pass rush. If DEN is forced into passing situations I would expect KC to get a number of sacks, and just as importantly, rushed throw.

Another reason KC may get an abnormal about of sacks is as great Manning himself. Manning is great AND I think he gets too much flak for pressing and trying to carry a team that w/o Manning would not sniff the playoffs (all those 10+ win seasons in a row = essentially getting no 1st round talent for a decade). That said the conventional wisdom he DOES NOT LIKE GETTING HIT.

Start hitting Manning and your DEF becomes a LOT more effective. The cupcake's DEN (and KC) have faced have yet to really put this year's Manning to the test. I think DEN is better but KC is a step up in terms of DEF talent.

So we will see!

KC is only 1st in Defense on points allowed. They are 6th in yards allowed. Carolina is number one showing how much that matters.

Points Allowed is THE most important Defensive stat. At the end of the day preventing the other team to score is all that matters--of course the stat obscures other components (e.g. where your D takes the field, quality of the opponent, how much is your OFF impacting the flow, etc).

Carolina has a very good DEF and a great front 7. In this case Yards Allowed is a reflection of how good their DEF is. And they are only allowing 13.6 points per game:

12 Seattle
24 @ Buffalo
0 NYG
22 @ Arizona
10 @ Minnesota

 

[Ban Bot]

Am I the only one who wants to see the Denver Mannings score 100+ against Irsay's Colts?

I hope Manning puts the pedal to the metal and never lets up.

 

[AMDZen]

Am I the only one who wants to see the Denver Mannings score 100+ against Irsay's Colts?

I hope Manning puts the pedal to the metal and never lets up.

Pretty sure all of Denver wants that. But there are only like 2 other Bronco fans on this forum besides me so........

Most people seem to hate the Broncos just to spite me.

Irsay is a douche bag though

 

[Phoenix86]

The only way to beat the Broncos is to outscore them.

:sneaky:

 

[Ban Bot]

I am not a Denver fan in the least (old AFC West rivalry embers still burn! Elway and his 4th quarter miracles argh!). And while I want Denver in the SB (so they can be beaten!) I typically don't like them to win or plays crazy good like they have.

But I cannot help but root for Manning--class act, great player, deserves a historical W against Irsay.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I like how people are suddenly on Kansas City as the best team in the league. Who had that as a potential storyline before the season started? Granted, it's a silly comparison at the moment, as the Chiefs defense, while very good, is hardly "otherworldly," whereas the Broncos are on pace to break several offensive records; if they continue at this rate, they'll be the unquestioned best offense in NFL history by any available metric.

 

[Adrenaline]

Pretty sure all of Denver wants that. But there are only like 2 other Bronco fans on this forum besides me so........

Most people seem to hate the Broncos just to spite me.

Irsay is a douche bag though

I have liked the Broncos since the 1980s and Elway. They are my second favorite team in the NFL. They are the main reason (not the only reason) I severely dislike the 49ers. To top it off, I am a big Manning Fan.

The Bears are my favorite NFL team by default from living in Illinois for a long time. If I did not live in Illinois that long, the Broncos would be my favorite team. My favorite AFC team by a landslide is the Broncos.

 

[Adrenaline]

The only way to beat the Broncos is to outscore them

This is true for anyone.

 

[AMDZen]

I like how people are suddenly on Kansas City as the best team in the league. Who had that as a potential storyline before the season started? Granted, it's a silly comparison at the moment, as the Chiefs defense, while very good, is hardly "otherworldly," whereas the Broncos are on pace to break several offensive records; if they continue at this rate, they'll be the unquestioned best offense in NFL history by any available metric.

I think the term you're looking for is "Star Wars" numbers. Did I mention Irsay is a douche bag? LOL

Even every Colts fan I've ever known or talked to hates Irsay

 

[Zargon]

Yeah, Keenum has got to do something nothing less than magical for Houston to pull this out with a win. I agree Smith isn't the best QB (ask Niner fans) and KC's schedule isn't the easiest.

LOL right. Look at their amazing QB this year

they don't know shit 🙂

 

[zinfamous]

LOL right. Look at their amazing QB this year

they don't know shit 🙂

to be fair, plenty of Niner fans around here still side with Smith.

I'm not a Niner's fan, but I do pull for them--depending on who they play--and I'm still angry/annoyed over what happened.

bottom line--Smith has proven himself to be a solid QB for 2 straight years, with a good system and good coach. He's lost what, 4 or 5 games in that time?

Kapernick hasn't nearly shown what he did last year and while SF seems to be injured on all sides of the ball, Kaep isn't really adjusting to the fact that the rest of the league has adjusted to him.

 

[zinfamous]

Most people seem to hate the Broncos just to spite me.

Nah, I only hate the Broncos because Elway is a douche and because of the way their obnoxious fans idolize him

This is true for anyone.

See, what you gotta do if you're Kansas City and you want to beat Denver, is you gotta put up more points by the end of the game!
/Madden

 

[techs]

Kapernick hasn't nearly shown what he did last year and while SF seems to be injured on all sides of the ball, Kaep isn't really adjusting to the fact that the rest of the league has adjusted to him.

On the other hand he is playing nearly a different kind of qb this year. I am pretty impressed at his performance as a drop back passer. He didn't play a full season last year and he played more of an option qb, so to be able to go out there as a drop back passer with considerably less than a full years experience at the position and do what he has is impressive.

I think the 49'ers goal is to just make the playoffs even as a wild card with Kaep sacrificing immediate wins by not running the option. The more he plays the less successful dropback passer the better it is in the long run for the 49'ers. Just ask the Redskins fans.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Broncos have had an easy schedule too. Except they've blown teams out of the water. KC has scratched and clawed for many of their wins getting them in the 4th QTR. The only game that was true for in Denver's case was Dallas which we faced on the road, KC got them at home.

Bottom line is we'll see soon enough who is more overrated when they play each other twice in a 3 week period, 3 weeks from now.

Point differential the Chiefs are #2 and not that far off from the Broncos.

I don't think either team is overrated, so I don't know what's with the weird hostility and dumbass arguments, but whatever.

 

[rudeguy]

On the other hand he is playing nearly a different kind of qb this year. I am pretty impressed at his performance as a drop back passer. He didn't play a full season last year and he played more of an option qb, so to be able to go out there as a drop back passer with considerably less than a full years experience at the position and do what he has is impressive.

I think the 49'ers goal is to just make the playoffs even as a wild card with Kaep sacrificing immediate wins by not running the option. The more he plays the less successful dropback passer the better it is in the long run for the 49'ers. Just ask the Redskins fans.

I'm very happy they are doing things that way. While its fun to watch...I cringe whenever I see a QB run an option.

Plus the defense doesn't know if they can hit them or how they can hit them...

I think the NFL in general needs to decide if they want to protect QBs with strict rules on how they can be hit or they can have running QBs. You can't have both.

 

[Ban Bot]

See, what you gotta do if you're Kansas City and you want to beat Denver, is you gotta put, you gotta put up more points if you're Kansas City by the end of the game! And BOOOOOOM! You win the game!

/Madden... scribbles yellow all over the screen while nomnomnomnom 6 legged turkey nomnomnom

FTFY.

 

[techs]

3rd interesting stat of the week.

Eli Manning has thrown 15 interceptions in 6 games. Projects to 40 for the season. Surprisingly the record is held by George Blanda who threw 42 interceptions in only a 14 game season.

On Mannings pace he will be the first qb to throw for 30 interceptions in 26 years, since Testaverde in 1988. Before that it was Richard Todd in 1980. FYI only 10 qb's have ever thrown 30 ints. in a season.

Even Matt Schaub fans have something to smile about.