Let 'em vote!!!

[techs]

Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for members of Congress?


Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

 

[Linflas]

They already vote in Presidential elections and have 3 electoral votes. As to your 2nd point you are correct in that the solution to DC voting rights is to make them a congressional district of Maryland for representation in the Senate and House. The local DC pols don't want this though as it is not a path to power for them the way statehood is. The Virginia portion was retroceded back to Virginia prior to the civil war and is now Arlington County and a piece of the City of Alexandria.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?
-snip-

:laugh:

Isn't it time somebody took a civics class?

(Since they do not live in a state, they do not have [voting] representation in Congress [Senate & House]).

Fern

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Linflas
They already vote in Presidential elections

epic

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?

I propose one of two options:

1) Give them two electoral votes. Since they have a population smaller than any state except Wyoming, and would be the smallest in size of any state, a decent compromise would be two electoral votes, one less than Wyoming. Though I would have no problem with giving them 3.

2) Allow them to vote in the states in which their part of the District was ceded by Virginia and Maryland.

Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

1) They chose to live where it is known that they would not have any vote.
2) It will reduce the political power of the DC politicans (non Federal)
3) It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts.
4) It might force DC to actually be responsible and allow the Feds to just enclave the Federal District only.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?

I propose one of two options:

1) Give them two electoral votes. Since they have a population smaller than any state except Wyoming, and would be the smallest in size of any state, a decent compromise would be two electoral votes, one less than Wyoming. Though I would have no problem with giving them 3.

2) Allow them to vote in the states in which their part of the District was ceded by Virginia and Maryland.

Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

1) They chose to live where it is known that they would not have any vote.
2) It will reduce the political power of the DC politicans (non Federal)
3) It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts.
4) It might force DC to actually be responsible and allow the Feds to just enclave the Federal District only.

Way to classify an entire city and thanks for spelling out the well known GOP strategy of suppressing minority voters.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?

I propose one of two options:

1) Give them two electoral votes. Since they have a population smaller than any state except Wyoming, and would be the smallest in size of any state, a decent compromise would be two electoral votes, one less than Wyoming. Though I would have no problem with giving them 3.

2) Allow them to vote in the states in which their part of the District was ceded by Virginia and Maryland.

Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

1) They chose to live where it is known that they would not have any vote.
2) It will reduce the political power of the DC politicans (non Federal)
3) It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts.
4) It might force DC to actually be responsible and allow the Feds to just enclave the Federal District only.

Way to classify an entire city and thanks for spelling out the well known GOP strategy of suppressing minority voters.

haha yea...not giving them a vote because they are low income/ghetto people is really, really pathetic, Common Courtesy.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for members of Congress?


Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

Nice edit job

How can they vote for members of Congress?

Washington DC is not a state, ergo no Congressperons (Go google Puerto Rico and other districts/territories and see how it works).

Earlier you proposed they vote in Maryland or Virginia, surely you can't be suggesting that people living outside of those states vote in their election? And to what end I might add, those Congresspersons represent those states, not the DoC.

Only two ways to get them reps in Congress I can see ATM:

1. Constitutional Amendment (big PITA), or

2. Make them a state

Fern

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?
-snip-

:laugh:

Isn't it time somebody took a civics class?

(Since they do not live in a state, they are not part of the United States).

Fern

Fixed

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for members of Congress?


Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

Nice edit job

How can they vote for members of Congress?

Washington DC is not a state, ergo no Congressperons (Go google Puerto Rico and other districts/territories and see how it works).

Earlier you proposed they vote in Maryland or Virginia, surely you can't be suggesting that people living outside of those states vote in their election? And to what end I might add, those Congresspersons represent those states, not the DoC.

Only two ways to get them reps in Congress I can see ATM:

1. Constitutional Amendment (big PITA), or

2. Make them a state

Fern

As I pointed out in an earlier post the simple solution is retrocession of DC back to Maryland such as was done with the portion on the Virginia side of the Potomac in 1847. Bills to do exactly that have been introduced but are opposed by DC pols because it would make them small fish in the big pond of Maryland Democrat politics. It does not require a Constitutional amendment, just an act of Congress and agreement by Maryland to take back the area they ceded to form DC.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?

I propose one of two options:

1) Give them two electoral votes. Since they have a population smaller than any state except Wyoming, and would be the smallest in size of any state, a decent compromise would be two electoral votes, one less than Wyoming. Though I would have no problem with giving them 3.

2) Allow them to vote in the states in which their part of the District was ceded by Virginia and Maryland.

Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

1) They chose to live where it is known that they would not have any vote.
2) It will reduce the political power of the DC politicians (non Federal)
3) It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts.
4) It might force DC to actually be responsible and allow the Feds to just enclave the Federal District only.

Way to classify an entire city and thanks for spelling out the well known GOP strategy of suppressing minority voters.

haha yea...not giving them a vote because they are low income/ghetto people is really, really pathetic, Common Courtesy.

I never stated that they were minority voters. I stated the facts. - You chose to take the inference.

The corrupt district politicians want the voting privileges but not the responsibility that comes with it. They would lose the free handouts but able to get rid of the Congressional oversight.

They do not want to lose the free handouts. The district can not sustain itself economically if the Federal area was removed and I do not think Maryland would want them back. Virginia already took back their areas (Alexandria, Arlington, etc)

I should not have lumped the two phrases together, however, to separate them out would be just as flawed.


a) The district population is heavily Democratic.
If this was a GOP plot of (as stated in the quote) suppressing minority voters, then one should wonder why under Dem administrations and controlled Congress that DC was not given a instant statehood status or at least full voting rights. All the Feds had was to spit out a rubberstamp law and all would be proper. The other states are not required to approve statehood.

I feel that it was not done because of the attitude of the district politicians.
They were lucky that they were given a representative in Congress.


b) They are at an average much lower income level compared to other states.
c) They are very heavily dependent on Federal charity.

Because of b & c, they can not stand on their own as a state (as viewed by Congress)
I do not think they have even seriously tried to petition Congress for statehood.

If they stood on their own, without Federal assistance; think of what their property and income tax rates would be. All the Federal property is non-taxable as well as the properties of the embassies/consulates of the foreign countries.

A continual cycle of ghetto/underclass people have been created and recycled for the past 40+ years and compartmentalized. Efforts have been made by forward thinking people, those that desire to help and those that desire headlines to revive the flawed economic areas; those efforts have not met with success.

The government has poured money into the blighted areas in an attempt to revitalize. When the funds stopped, the trash rolled back in.

There are nice places within the district - however, the SE & Eastern sections (that abut PG County) are the main problem areas and suck up the most resources without any real progress of improvement. The areas that abut Montgomery county are not an issue.

Is it the spill over from the MD counties or a spill over from the DC areas into the MD counties.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?

I propose one of two options:

1) Give them two electoral votes. Since they have a population smaller than any state except Wyoming, and would be the smallest in size of any state, a decent compromise would be two electoral votes, one less than Wyoming. Though I would have no problem with giving them 3.

2) Allow them to vote in the states in which their part of the District was ceded by Virginia and Maryland.

Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

1) They chose to live where it is known that they would not have any vote.
2) It will reduce the political power of the DC politicans (non Federal)
3) It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts.
4) It might force DC to actually be responsible and allow the Feds to just enclave the Federal District only.

Isn't it an embarassment that we can throw HUNDREDS of BILLIONS at a war.. but can't clean up the NATIONS CAPITOL ... LOL LOL -- that place is a real shithole

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs
Isn't it time the 588,000 people of the District of Columbia got to vote for President?

I propose one of two options:

1) Give them two electoral votes. Since they have a population smaller than any state except Wyoming, and would be the smallest in size of any state, a decent compromise would be two electoral votes, one less than Wyoming. Though I would have no problem with giving them 3.

2) Allow them to vote in the states in which their part of the District was ceded by Virginia and Maryland.

Isn't it time we extended the vote to people of the District of Columbia?

1) They chose to live where it is known that they would not have any vote.
2) It will reduce the political power of the DC politicians (non Federal)
3) It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts.
4) It might force DC to actually be responsible and allow the Feds to just enclave the Federal District only.

Isn't it an embarrassment that we can throw HUNDREDS of BILLIONS at a war.. but can't clean up the NATIONS CAPITOL ... LOL LOL -- that place is a real shithole

I will agree on that.:thumbsup: (Parts make an outhouse look attractive)

I do not think the politicians really want to clean it up.
To do so would require a urban redevelopment plan and also admit that the urban planning that was started in the great society failed in their own back yard.
They do not want the public so see that they can not even keep their own "house" clean; then how would they be expected to handle the responsibilities of the nation.

Congress has had the oversight on the District - to cleanup would admit that they failed the first time and kept failing.

 

[Deeko]

That was a nice, long, explanation...but it didn't really defuse the fact that in your four reasons as to why they shouldn't get a vote, you said "It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts. " I'm sorry....there's no amount of explaining you can do that turns that statement around.

And for the record, I am against DC getting said vote anyway.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Deeko
That was a nice, long, explanation...but it didn't really defuse the fact that in your four reasons as to why they shouldn't get a vote, you said "It will provide a heavily Democratic bloc of which the majority are low income/ghetto that are used to handouts. " I'm sorry....there's no amount of explaining you can do that turns that statement around.

And for the record, I am against DC getting said vote anyway.

Not trying to turn the statement around. It was stated.

Just break it into pieces and discect the rational of each piece.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Isn't it an embarassment that we can throw HUNDREDS of BILLIONS at a war.. but can't clean up the NATIONS CAPITOL ... LOL LOL -- that place is a real shithole

We've thrown away over $1,000 BILLION in 2008 alone to "save the economy" and support failed investments. Sounds like you're talking small potatoes.

 

[ElFenix]

because they're not americans.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

As I pointed out in an earlier post the simple solution is retrocession of DC back to Maryland such as was done with the portion on the Virginia side of the Potomac in 1847. Bills to do exactly that have been introduced but are opposed by DC pols because it would make them small fish in the big pond of Maryland Democrat politics. It does not require a Constitutional amendment, just an act of Congress and agreement by Maryland to take back the area they ceded to form DC.

Yeah, I see your point.

But for reasons stated here by others, looks like those states don't want them back?

Fern