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'Let America be America again'

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
There hasn't been a Constitutional Amendment ratified in over a decade. Also - does having a Constitutional Amendment mean we aren't "America"? I thought the Constitution had some pretty strict guidelines on how the Constitution could be amended. Following those guidlines would most definately be "American".
Of course they would. But how many of our country's past Presidents have wanted to restrict a groups' rights? Bush is working on destroying personal freedoms.
You are free to hold that opinion - it's what make America - America😉 I however don't think that by supporting an Amendment to protect Marriage is restricting anyone's "rights". I may not think that an Amendment is the correct way to go about it - but it most certainly doesn't make America - not America.
Well, here we have you and your opinion that America is still America. And the word American can reference a specific aspect of American life, the physical land, an ideology, etc. It's rather open to interpretation but I feel what Kerry is getting at is let's get back to focusing on what makes our country great and that's providing opportunities for those who live here and making our lives safe and secure. Romps in the Arabian desert over helpless dictatorial regimes and creating worldwide anger is not the right way to do that.

Since when do YOU get to decide that the President can't have spiritual beliefs? Just because you don't want to have a relationship with God - doesn't mean others shouldn't or can't. Having a President that believes in God does not break the "establishment of... or prohibition..." clause.
Oh, he can have spiritual beliefs but when he crosses the line between keeping those beliefs to himself and, instead, projects them into policy and goes to war because God told him to, well, I certainly question his sanity.

Yes, many believe the war was justified. And again, just becuase you don't feel it was worth it or that 56% don't feel it was worth it doesn't mean it wasn't "justified" nor does it mean America is now "non-America".
Yes, it does. If many feel the war was justified then they've forgotten why this country was founded and the principles behind our freedoms (let me give you a hint: it's not to enforce American ideals by the barrel of a gun.)

]The point here conjur is that just because you don't agree with what Bush is doing or has done - doesn't mean America isn't America anymore. Infact isn't "disagreement" supposed to be patriotic now? I thought disagreement was totally American and something that should be heralded as "patriotic".
That's not what the Bush administration and many of his supports say. To listen to the AM talk radio pundits and other Bush fanbois up here, I'm a communist traitor for criticizing Bush.

Great -we finally agree that it is opinion and perception.🙂 I knew you really didn't think America was somehow "non-America" now - but when you posted "It's hasn't been America since Bush and ideological puppet masters hijacked the nation and its foreign policy to suit the agenda of the PNAC." I decided to let that argument run it's course. You are free to hold the opinion that today's America under Bush isn't the America you want - but it doesn't mean it is now suddenly "non-America" because Bush is the President. Here in America you can vote for someone else if you don't like what elected officials are doing or believe in. I am going to vote for the people who I think will keep America great just as you can vote for whoever will keep America great. That's "America" 😀

CkG
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
That's the proof?

😕


I hope you're not studying to be a prosecutor.

Thanks for your interest in my career but I already have a job I like that pays me a 6-figure salary, so don't worry about me.

Pft. Then someone is getting ripped off.

:roll:
 
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