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Lessons Learned: Ryzen Launch

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How could Ryzen have been launched better?

  • It couldn't - the launch couldn't be improved on.

    Votes: 10 11.6%

  • Admit to the public and reviewers that launch CPU/Bios/Motherboards are in Beta stage

    Votes: 28 32.6%

  • Above admission + limited discount for early customers as compensation for issues

    Votes: 4 4.7%

  • Give Engineering Samples to the press in Nov/Dec allowing them greater visibility of bugs and fixes

    Votes: 25 29.1%

  • Something else (please detail in thread)

    Votes: 16 18.6%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Total voters
    86
LTC8K6 said:
Intel certainly might react if it seems like they need to.

Right now, there's very little sign that they need to change anything, imo.

Not sure why Raven Ridge would be that much more of a threat than previous APUs were.

Previous APUs already had far better IGPs than Intel, and they still do.


There is also the possible problem of creating an IGP that is as good as, or better, than some of your own video cards.
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The problem of the old APUS were their mediocre CPUs... But now they have great IGPs and great CPUs... For Intel this is lethal.

And remember that AMD wants to use the IGP and the dGPU together for more power... They are not Intel which fears the dGPU or nVIDIA which has now an APU.

PS: AMD Ryzen launch would be brillant... If they develops their own Motherboards...
 
How could Ryzen have been launched better?
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Booth babes man, more threads is good but more girls in threads is even better.
amdgirls-big.jpg
 
Waited a couple of months for The whole ecosystem to be ready, From MB & DRAM manufacturers to OSes and maybe a few games. AMD has to do *way* better when it comes time to launch Naples based servers.
 
Probably because they have a lot on their plates this year. Vegas, Naples, Ryzen 3 and 5 now, Apus, etc.

Put out the Ryzen 7s first ahead of the Ryzen 5 to surprise Intel and fix bugs and hopefully the latter two's launch is smoother. Probably both Mobos and AMD's fault. Mobo makers couldn't retool in time and didn't take AMD too seriously while AMD changed launch to a bit early.
 
DarkKnightDude said:
Probably because they have a lot on their plates this year. Vegas, Naples, Ryzen 3 and 5 now, Apus, etc.

Put out the Ryzen 7s first ahead of the Ryzen 5 to surprise Intel and fix bugs and hopefully the latter two's launch is smoother. Probably both Mobos and AMD's fault. Mobo makers couldn't retool in time and didn't take AMD too seriously while AMD changed launch to a bit early.
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But it wasn't early. Initially it was a late January launch. And moved out later a couple of times.
 
lolfail9001 said:
Well, the story right now is that AMD did not leave them any time to speak of anyways.
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Ehhh the launch was late. They had time.

Malogeek said:
You mean the only other maker of x86 processors capable of running Windows? Yes I do expect MS to take them seriously 🙂
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Poor VIA, no respect.

Anyway AMD's market share was in the toilet, and not going anywhere. They can't have been a huge priority unless someone like MS was willing to gamble resources on Ryzen being a hit.

TheELF said:
Booth babes man, more threads is good but more girls in threads is even better.
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Them girls are getting more and more rare Stateside, but as you might guess, they're still common at Asian conferences. Hence the pic eh.
 
DrMrLordX said:
Anyway AMD's market share was in the toilet, and not going anywhere. They can't have been a huge priority unless someone like MS was willing to gamble resources on Ryzen being a hit.
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Ms has to keep amd alive because of xbox/win10 fusion whatever it's called,they better make sure stuff works well on both sides.

But that's not the problem anyway,the problem is that people are going for 16thread cpus but get hit by the module er complex penalty when running more then 8 threads from the same app/game.
They where tooting dx12 performance and that i7 4/8 would become the new celerons but dx12 on ryzen runs bad because of exactly that the game tries to use more then 4/8 and get's slapped in the face by complex penalties.
 
They should have delayed the release and launched Ryzen 3/5/7 together with Vega, that way they would get stable software, ryzen+Vega combo sales, plus their proper gaming CPUs 1400x and 1600x to compare against Intel mainstream in gaming.

I heard somewhere AMD was forced into a respin late last year by OEMs, this meant they had to delay until Q1 2017, it also meant they didn't push the final microcode out to mobo manufacturers until three weeks until release.
That's plainly not enough time, should have pushed back until late Q2 and guaranteed a flawless launch.

Anyway when did amd ever pit the 1800x vs 7700k? I thought it was 1700? seems a great match up to me.
 
It was a good launch for such a small company. Almost a miracle that they could design and launch a CPU like Zen. The mother board makers screwed it up or just need more time to get better boards out which they will.

This is a standard launch today. Seems every company does a sloppy launch and then improves things over 12 months.
 
imo you'd have to be a hard core amd supporter to jump on board right now. Unless you really want to beta test.. It's just too new. Plus I wouldn't want to have to settle for a board I just sorta like. A month or two from now things should be a lot different and a better time to be building a ryzen system.
 
french toast said:
They should have delayed the release and launched Ryzen 3/5/7 together with Vega, that way they would get stable software, ryzen+Vega combo sales, plus their proper gaming CPUs 1400x and 1600x to compare against Intel mainstream in gaming.

I heard somewhere AMD was forced into a respin late last year by OEMs, this meant they had to delay until Q1 2017, it also meant they didn't push the final microcode out to mobo manufacturers until three weeks until release.
That's plainly not enough time, should have pushed back until late Q2 and guaranteed a flawless launch.

Anyway when did amd ever pit the 1800x vs 7700k? I thought it was 1700? seems a great match up to me.
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Being cash strapped as they are , I doubt AMD could have waited any longer then they did. Product launches are tough to do.
 
DaveSimmons said:
Right now, for 1800X vs. 7700K the narrative for gaming is something like: "it costs $150 more, and is slower in current games, but someday it will be faster."
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The narrative isn't 1800x vs 7700k for gaming. It is 1700 vs 7700k for gaming. It will cost a little less than the 7700k, MOBO included, perform a little worse for the time being, but will have a longer shelf-life.
 
TheELF said:
Booth babes man, more threads is good but more girls in threads is even better.
amdgirls-big.jpg
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Ohh wow, I knew AMD was the right choice!!!!

nopainnogain said:
We must be fair: Intel also have a lot of threads.

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They're way more expensive though.
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Holy...

Uhh.. nvm.

WTS R7 1700

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Seriously though,

Admit to the public and reviewers that launch CPU/Bios/Motherboards are in Beta stage
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I admit it would be nice if these corporations would stop talking down to us, and just say how things are, but did any of you really think this platform could launch without bugs? That is basically impossible.
 
AMD hasn't launched a worthwhile CPU in over a decade. They clearly forgot how to launch a CPU.

That said, no major issues in the past five days with my Ryzen build. It's been great for productivity and my 4K gaming experience has been solid. Too early to say anything definitive on the gaming side, but for almost everything else, it's a major upgrade over my 6700K.
 
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