Lesbian kiss at Seattle ballgame freaks out woman

jonks

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Lesbian kiss at Seattle ballpark stirs up gay-friendly town
By MANUEL VALDES ? 4 hours ago

SEATTLE (AP) ? Most of the time, a kiss is just a kiss in the stands at Seattle Mariners games. The crowd hardly even pays attention when fans smooch.

But then last week, a lesbian complained that an usher at Safeco Field asked her to stop kissing her date because it was making another fan uncomfortable.

The incident has exploded on local TV, on talk radio and in the blogosphere and has touched off a debate over public displays of affection in generally gay-friendly Seattle.

"Certain individuals have not yet caught up. Those people see a gay or lesbian couple and they stare or say something," said Josh Friedes of Equal Rights Washington. "This is one of the challenges of being gay. Everyday things can become sources of trauma."

As the Mariners played the Boston Red Sox on May 26, Sirbrina Guerrero and her date were approached in the third inning by an usher who told them their kissing was inappropriate, Guerrero said.

The usher, Guerrero said, told them he had received a complaint from a woman nearby who said that there were kids in the crowd of nearly 36,000 and that parents would have to explain why two women were kissing.

"I was really just shocked," Guerrero said. "Seattle is so gay-friendly. There was a couple like seven rows ahead making out. We were just showing affection."

On Monday, Mariners spokeswoman Rebecca Hale said that the club is investigating but that the usher was responding to a complaint of two women "making out" and "groping" in the stands.

"We have a strict non-discrimination policy at the Seattle Mariners and at Safeco Field, and when we do enforce the code of conduct it is based on behavior, not on the identity of those involved," Hale said.

The code of conduct ? announced before each game ? specifically mentions public displays of affection that are "not appropriate in a public, family setting." Hale said those standards are based on what a "reasonable person" would find inappropriate.

Guerrero denied she and her date were groping each other, saying that along with eating garlic fries, they were giving each other brief kisses.

On Tuesday, Guerrero said a Mariners director of guest services had apologized to her. The team spokeswoman could not immediately confirm that.

After the story broke, the Mariners were blasted by the sex-advice columnist Dan Savage, who wrote about the incident on the blog of the Stranger, an alternative weekly paper.

"I constantly see people making out," Savage said. "My son has noticed and asked, `Do they show the ballgame on women's foreheads?'"

Savage called for a "kiss-in" to protest against the Mariners.

Web sites have been swamped with blog postings for and against Guerrero and her date. And the story has people talking in Seattle.

"I would be uncomfortable" seeing public displays of affection between lesbians or gay men, said Jim Ridneour, a 54-year-old taxi driver. "I don't think it's right seeing women kissing in public. If I had my family there, I'd have to explain what's going on."

"It all depends on the degree," Mark Ackerman said as he waited for a hot dog outside Safeco Field before Wednesday's game. "Even for heterosexual couples."

Since the incident, Guerrero's job and her past have come under scrutiny. She works at a bar known for scantily clad women and was a contestant on the MTV reality show "A Shot at Love With Tila Tequila," in which women and men compete for the affection of a bisexual Internet celebrity.

"People are saying it's 15 more minutes for my career," Guerrero said of the ballpark furor, "but this is not making me look very good."

In 2007, an Oregon transit agency chief apologized after a lesbian teenager was kicked off a bus when a passenger complained about her kissing another girl.

Also in 2007, a gay rights group protested a Kansas City, Mo., restaurant they said ejected four women because two of them kissed, and a Texas state trooper was placed on probation in 2004 for telling two gay men who were kissing at the state Capitol that homosexual conduct was illegal in Texas.

"There's a double standard. That's the bottom line," said Pat Griffin, director of the It Takes a Team! Education Campaign, an initiative from the Women's Sports Foundation to eliminate homophobia in sports.


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I'm incredibly offended as well. How can they justify posting this story without pics??? Hell, it doesn't even have to be the ones in the story, any two would have sufficed.

"complaint of two women 'making out' and 'groping'" .... does not compute
 

Kirby

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I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.
 

jalaram

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?
 

bignateyk

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Sirbrina is smoking hot (and as such, i'm guessing her friend was as well). She was the hottest one on A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila. (hey... my SO watches it, and I watch the parts where the hot girls make out)

If I were the usher I would have been encouraging them to get naked.
 

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I was going to post this also after reading it on Yahoo!. If you want more pics...go to MTV to com. The girl pictured in the Fox News link was/is a contestant on "A Shot at Love" (Tila Tequila dating show)

According to MTV's web site, Guerrero was also a contestant on the network's reality TV show "A Shot At Love 2 With Tila Tequila."
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

Shit, you don't need to kiss anywhere either.
 

Kirby

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Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?

Because I'm a racist bigoted Bush-loving womanizing neandrethal. :roll:
 

buck

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This will blow over soon. Its probably just publicity to bring in people to watch the mariners, since they suck ass.

BTW, if anyone in Seattle wants Mariners tickets for random dates, PM me, between my work and my SO's, they can't give these damn tickets away.

*edit*
Our companys only have two seats, most of the time for my work its short notice, hers i can usually reserve.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?

Who said ugly heteros were allowed to kiss in public?
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: bignateyk
Sirbrina is smoking hot (and as such, i'm guessing her friend was as well). She was the hottest one on A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila. (hey... my SO watches it, and I watch the parts where the hot girls make out)

If I were the usher I would have been encouraging them to get naked.

:thumbsup:

404 offense not found.
 

neodyn55

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Just curious - how many of the "offense not found" guys here would be up in arms if it were two guys kissing?
 

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?

Who said ugly heteros were allowed to kiss in public?

:thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?

Who said ugly heteros were allowed to kiss in public?

If anybody was actually full-blown making out at a ballgame, it would be stopped. It is a family safe environment and trying to hit up first base there (pun intended) is inappropriate. I've noticed that some gay couples have a much lesser discretion than straight couples in keeping it in their pants. They're proud of being gay, which is fine, but you don't have to practically bone in public to show it. These are my personal observations and by no means am I applying them to rash generalizations. I'm solely providing food for thought.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?

Ugly heterosexuals shouldn't kiss in public either.

In fact, I don't really like PDA, whether I'm the one doing it, or I'm the one watching it, just because it makes people feel uncomfortable, it's okay if it's a little thing, but nothing huge like this.

I'd say I would be uncomfortable whether they were straight or gay, it's a public event, and I don't want to have to deal with it.
 

ta8689

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

Well apparently one was on tv... prolly not too ugly.
 

Kirby

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Originally posted by: neodyn55
Just curious - how many of the "offense not found" guys here would be up in arms if it were two guys kissing?

I don't think too many people here would think that two guys kissing would be hot.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I need pics to determine if it was ok.

Ugly lesbians are not allowed to kiss in public. Shit, they don't need to kiss anywhere.

If ugly heterosexuals are allowed to kiss in public, why not homosexuals?

Who said ugly heteros were allowed to kiss in public?

If anybody was actually full-blown making out at a ballgame, it would be stopped. It is a family safe environment and trying to hit up first base there (pun intended) is inappropriate. I've noticed that some gay couples have a much lesser discretion than straight couples in keeping it in their pants. They're proud of being gay, which is fine, but you don't have to practically bone in public to show it. These are my personal observations and by no means am I applying them to rash generalizations. I'm solely providing food for thought.

I don't get your post. You make a generalization and then say you're not making a generalization. And what's the point of your observation about "some gay couples"? How does that differ from "some straight couples"? Isn't it just that "some couples" get too frisky in public?

But as for personal observations, living in one of the gay capitals of the world I've found no statistical difference between the public affection levels among gays and straights.
 

Sumguy

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Way better than gay ninjas jumping out of the bushes and a tree to smash face right in front of you.

Long story.

Originally posted by: neodyn55
Just curious - how many of the "offense not found" guys here would be up in arms if it were two guys kissing?

Depends. When people spontaneously french two feet from your face after running at each other from your peripherals, you tend to care less about sexual orientation and more about two people running from your peripherals to french two feet from your face.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
I've noticed that some gay couples have a much lesser discretion than straight couples in keeping it in their pants. They're proud of being gay, which is fine, but you don't have to practically bone in public to show it. These are my personal observations and by no means am I applying them to rash generalizations. I'm solely providing food for thought.

:roll: Yeah.

Here's some food for thought: You're a homophobe.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: neodyn55
Just curious - how many of the "offense not found" guys here would be up in arms if it were two guys kissing?

Not I.

I see it all the time, actually.

I can understand with the complainer, though, if this was a prolonged make-out session with gratuitous groping. There's really no place for that in public, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual.

It's one thing to show affection in public, it's quite another thing to exhibit zero class while doing it.
 
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: neodyn55
Just curious - how many of the "offense not found" guys here would be up in arms if it were two guys kissing?

I don't think too many people here would think that two guys kissing would be hot.

Yes, I think people's rights should be solely based on whether the particular activity they engage in is personally titillating to me. That's my right as an American, dammit!

A kiss is a kiss. Good for them. Who the hell cares? They aren't doing it for your personal enjoyment (although I've always thought that if you're willing to kiss someone in public you shouldn't object when people watch). If you don't want to see it, holy shit, look at that, there's a ballgame going on!