Lenovo Installing a Start Menu on Win 8 PCs

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They are probably too chicken/lazy to do so, but I am glad Lenovo is starting this.

And who knows? If a rise in Lenovo sales follows this rollout, you can bet everyone else will suddenly be all for it.
 
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Unnecessary

Additionally, if folks use the same background for the Tiles screen as their desktop once 8.1 comes out, I bet they'll be less bitching about the missing Start menu (I'm convinced the implied context switch that people deal with when they move to the Tile screen is a huge part of the problem).
 
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orthancstone said:
Unnecessary

Additionally, if folks use the same background for the Tiles screen as their desktop once 8.1 comes out, I bet they'll be less bitching about the missing Start menu (I'm convinced the implied context switch that people deal with when they move to the Tile screen is a huge part of the problem).
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It won't be "if" when 8.1 drops. The tiles will come in over your desktop. I believe that's the default behavior.
 
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I wouldnt be happy with this, I like lenovo but I would avoid this. What happens when this preinstalled start button starts causing problems? I will feel its their problem everytime I encounter an error. Well come to think of it, if it can be uninstalled I wouldnt complain.
 
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CRCSUX said:
I wouldnt be happy with this, I like lenovo but I would avoid this. What happens when this preinstalled start button starts causing problems? I will feel its their problem everytime I encounter an error. Well come to think of it, if it can be uninstalled I wouldnt complain.
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I don't see why they wouldn't give you an uninstall option. They give you that for just about every other piece of Lenovo software that comes on a machine.
 
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LOL, Winodws 8 is so bad this is the only way they could sell it.
Get you head out of the dark hole and start listening to your customers Microsoft!!!!
 
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denis280 said:
Who!!Really paul.you think they will.
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I think there is a little trick going on there. We think Microsoft listens to us. Look no further back than Windows Vista. 7 is not that much different from Vista visually and functionally, but we all hated Vista and loved 7.

You watch and see when 9 comes out. It will probably very similar to 8, but people will be more accepting of it.

We take what Microsoft offers. We may fight for it for a while, but then we accept it, and tell ourselves it was because "Microsoft listened to us!"
 
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ketchup79 said:
I think there is a little trick going on there. We think Microsoft listens to us. Look no further back than Windows Vista. 7 is not that much different from Vista visually and functionally, but we all hated Vista and loved 7.

You watch and see when 9 comes out. It will probably very similar to 8, but people will be more accepting of it.

We take what Microsoft offers. We may fight for it for a while, but then we accept it, and tell ourselves it was because "Microsoft listened to us!"
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Vista was packaged with some truly terrible computers, and somewhat unfairly to Microsoft was poorly supported by 3rd party hardware for a good while.

Even after SP2, it still runs worse than 7 on identical hardware though. Not sure why, but even on relatively high end stuff like i7-920 12GB/etc, it would thrash HDDs regularly. Never see Win7 do that.

Vista is far better than Win8 though imho.
 
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Vista was packaged with some truly terrible computers, and somewhat unfairly to Microsoft was poorly supported by 3rd party hardware for a good while.

Even after SP2, it still runs worse than 7 on identical hardware though. Not sure why, but even on relatively high end stuff like i7-920 12GB/etc, it would thrash HDDs regularly. Never see Win7 do that.

Vista is far better than Win8 though imho.
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To be fair to Microsoft, Vista were sold with computers that only have 256M of memory by the big 3. After the preinstall Norton crap ware kicks in, the computer take 30min to boot to the desktop. Every time the user clicks something it take 5min for anything to happen. Vista was no where as bad as Windows 8.
 
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To be fair to Microsoft, Vista were sold with computers that only have 256M of memory by the big 3. After the preinstall Norton crap ware kicks in, the computer take 30min to boot to the desktop. Every time the user clicks something it take 5min for anything to happen. Vista was no where as bad as Windows 8.
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People keep saying vista is FAR better then win 8, Id love to know how and why.

I bet win 8 would load faster and behave better on 256mb ram than vista.

Maybe ill try loading win 8 on a 256mb VM in the weekend to have a look.

Windows 8 Runs on 64MB of Memory
 
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CRCSUX said:
Id love your insight on that. I cant even fathom how this could be true.
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It's primarily my opinion based on reasonable hardware of the era along with plopping your average business/home PC user in the chair in front of it. Vista was at least immediately usable for people, Windows 8 keeps pushing people into their tablet/touch interface, and it's unfamiliar and not immediately understandable for people used to iOS/Android devices or Windows 7 and older.

In some ways, I should thank Microsoft for Windows 8, because it gives me a dramatic uptick in extra service calls, training, and people insisting I get it the hell off their machine (sometimes they even complain after trying to get by with Start8 and the like).
 
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It won't be "if" when 8.1 drops. The tiles will come in over your desktop. I believe that's the default behavior.
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I was under the impression that it was a user-selected option to share the same background between Tile screen and Desktop, but if it is default behavior from now on even better.
 
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Windows 8 keeps pushing people into their tablet/touch interface, and it's unfamiliar and not immediately understandable for people used to iOS/Android devices or Windows 7 and older.
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Oh horses***, the tile interface is Microsoft's implementation of OS X/iOS' Applications interface.
 
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orthancstone said:
Oh horses***, the tile interface is Microsoft's implementation of OS X/iOS' Applications interface.
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Sure it is, it's just not very good, and it's horrible on a desktop.

Make no mistake, the only reason that it exists it that Microsoft was jealous of Android/iOS app-store ecosystem, and wanted their own copy of it. That's also why they forced it on people that didn't want it or need it.

If they had simply given the option to enable it or disable it, Windows 8 would have been immensely better received. Further, then they could actually focus on showing WHY people should choose the metro/tile option. Throw in some 'killer apps', $20 in free credit at the MS App store, whatever.

But no, they tried to throw their weight around and force it down people's throats, and the results are stunningly terrible. Ballmer is out, Surface failed so completely that it defies description, and while Windows PC/Notebooks are contracting massively, Mac/MacBook are holding steady (and by % growing their marketshare for every quarter that trend continues).
 
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