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aidanjm

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This article was recently deleted from this forum - no explanation given. To imply that it is offensive to describe Jesus as gay (which is EXACTLY what is implied by deleting said article) is an insult to every lesbian, gay or bisexual person on this forum.


Was Jesus Gay?

(Los Angeles, California) As Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus few of them will be told in their churches and Cathedrals anything about the sexuality of Jesus, yet a growing group of Biblical scholars believe that Christ may have had at least one sexual relationship with another male.

Noted Methodist theologian Rev. Theodore Jennings Jr. and Dr Morton Smith, a world renowned Bible scholar, say there is irrefutable evidence that Jesus was at least bisexual. Dr Rollan McCleary of the University of Queensland, in Australia, says he has discovered through his research that three of the disciples were gay.

Prof. Smith points to a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958 which he says alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead. The fragment shows that the full text of St. Mark, Chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) includes the following passage:
"And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God".

Rev. Jennings, a professor at the United Church of Christ's Chicago Theological Seminary, points to the Gospel of St. John. In his book "The Man Jesus Loved: Homoerotic Narratives From the New Testament," Jennings writes that the reference in St John about "the disciple Jesus loved" was actually a reference to Jesus' gay boyfriend.

Jennings also claims the centurion's servant who was healed by Jesus actually was the centurion's gay boyfriend and that Jesus did not denounce their relationship.

Dr McCleary spent three years researching ?gay spirituality?. His book, "Signs for a Messiah" says that Jesus and at least three of his disciples were gay, and Christianity in general is built on ?gay principles?.

McCleary says that Christianity needs to recognize its homosexual roots and abandon the practice of alienating gays and spreading homophobia.

British gay rights advocate Peter Tatchell says even though the information about Jesus' sexuality remains scant, "there is certainly no evidence for the Church's presumption that he was heterosexual. Nothing in the Bible points to him having desires or relationships with women. The possibility of a gay Christ cannot be ruled out."

"Since there is no proof of the heterosexuality of Jesus, the theological basis of Church homophobia is all the more shaky and indefensible," Tatchell said.

"Large chunks of Jesus' life are missing from the Biblical accounts. This has fuelled speculation that the early Church sanitized the gospels, removing references to Christ's sexuality that were not in accord with the heterosexual morality that it wanted to promote", said Tatchell.

The Vatican has denounced the research by Jennings, Smith and McCleary as "heretical". It has also been denounced by Southern Baptists and evangelical Anglicans.

When recently asked if his research might be tainted because he is gay, McCleary said: "You could see that either way. You could also say that heterosexual people have their eyes wide shut on the matter, that they don't want to see that Jesus would have been of gay disposition.

"You maybe have to be gay to read the signals and to see things and research things which other people wouldn't," he added.
 

alchemize

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OK, same reply as last time you trotted out the troll.

This is a hoax. If you the bible where this "missing text" supposedly is, there isn't any context for it. Just some gay professors, a gay website, and a gay poster trying to stir the pot with christians.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: alchemize
OK, same reply as last time you trotted out the troll.

This is a hoax. If you the bible where this "missing text" supposedly is, there isn't any context for it. Just some gay professors, a gay website, and a gay poster trying to stir the pot with christians.

No, it's not a hoax. You dismissing the expertise of the noted religious authorities in question becase they are gay is as clear an example of homophobia as I have ever seen. Who is the gay poster you are refering to? (I am not 'gay' by the way).

 

TheGameIs21

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"And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God".

Even if this is real, I am apparently the most naive person in the world. I don't read any homosexual relations in this. If it said "The youth inspected Jesus' pipes..." then I could see but "Jesus tuaght him the mystery of the Kingdom of God." Comeon. Jesus was a teacher. I call shens.
 

classy

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Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.
 

silverpig

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I'm not gay, not religious, and don't really care either way, but I highly doubt Jesus was gay. That passage seemed like a huge stretch to imply that Jesus nailed that kid. I would interpret that to mean that Jesus told him about God... cause that's what Jesus did in those days. I think most people without an agenda would agree with me as that is the most plausible interpretation.
 

classy

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This guy ain't doing nothing but just trying to spit on folks who believe in Christmas with Jesus being the center. No doubt he is a homosexual.
 

TheGameIs21

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I'll admit... I have no idea. I just see it used and try to use the same language as the locals.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
I call shens.

What exactly does this Shens word floating around mean???

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
I'll admit... I have no idea. I just see it used and try to use the same language as the locals.

It seems like it would be a new derivative of Bullsh1t (Shenaginans sp?) but it is still odd.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: classy
Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.

I'm interested to know exactly why you think it is offensive or "blasphemous" to suggest that Jesus was bisexual or homosexual. Certainly Jesus himself never said anything that impied that homosexual sex was inappropriate or sinful. Furthermore, he DID dismiss old testament law. What is your reasoning on this, exactly?

My own sexual interests are many and varied, and also none of your business. :)





 

Beau

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
This article was recently deleted from this forum - no explanation given. To imply that it is offensive to describe Jesus as gay (which is EXACTLY what is implied by deleting said article) is an insult to every lesbian, gay or bisexual person on this forum.


It was probably deleted for 2 reasons: 1) Religious threads with radical ideas never turn into productive discussions here, and 2), You're a troll for posting this kind of thread.

I agree that an explanation should be given for such actions, but I also think that you should have PM'ed the mods before REPOSTING the same, deleted subject.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: classy
Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.

I'm interested to know exactly why you think it is offensive or "blasphemous" to suggest that Jesus was bisexual or homosexual. Certainly Jesus himself never said anything that impied that homosexual sex was inappropriate or sinful. Furthermore, he DID dismiss old testament law. What is your reasoning on this, exactly?

My own sexual interests are many and varied, and also none of your business. :)

Its amazing a scumbag like you can say its nobody's business about your sex life, but you can talk about Jesus's sex life. And no doubt your the female in your relationship.

 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: classy
Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.

I'm interested to know exactly why you think it is offensive or "blasphemous" to suggest that Jesus was bisexual or homosexual. Certainly Jesus himself never said anything that impied that homosexual sex was inappropriate or sinful. Furthermore, he DID dismiss old testament law. What is your reasoning on this, exactly?

My own sexual interests are many and varied, and also none of your business. :)

Hey thats poor form bud.

Im hetero..married...not afraid to say it. Why are you afraid?

does this article make you feel better about yourself? do you think Jesus needed such affirmation?

if you are gay you are gay...just say it.

as for the article, hmmmm just a weee bit slanted considering the source. :)
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
"And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God".

Even if this is real, I am apparently the most naive person in the world. I don't read any homosexual relations in this. If it said "The youth inspected Jesus' pipes..." then I could see but "Jesus tuaght him the mystery of the Kingdom of God." Comeon. Jesus was a teacher. I call shens.

A teacher who had his naked (save the linen cloth) student spend the night.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: aidanjm
This article was recently deleted from this forum - no explanation given. To imply that it is offensive to describe Jesus as gay (which is EXACTLY what is implied by deleting said article) is an insult to every lesbian, gay or bisexual person on this forum.


It was probably deleted for 2 reasons: 1) Religious threads with radical ideas never turn into productive discussions here, and 2), You're a troll for posting this kind of thread.

I agree that an explanation should be given for such actions, but I also think that you should have PM'ed the mods before REPOSTING the same, deleted subject.

No, I am not a troll. I think this is a legitimate thing to discuss.

 

classy

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: classy
Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.

I'm interested to know exactly why you think it is offensive or "blasphemous" to suggest that Jesus was bisexual or homosexual. Certainly Jesus himself never said anything that impied that homosexual sex was inappropriate or sinful. Furthermore, he DID dismiss old testament law. What is your reasoning on this, exactly?

My own sexual interests are many and varied, and also none of your business. :)

Hey thats poor form bud.

Im hetero..married...not afraid to say it. Why are you afraid?

does this article make you feel better about yourself? do you think Jesus needed such affirmation?

if you are gay you are gay...just say it.

as for the article, hmmmm just a weee bit slanted considering the source. :)


He wants to come out of the closet so bad. Probably is getting married to his partner and wants some cheers.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: aidanjm
This article was recently deleted from this forum - no explanation given. To imply that it is offensive to describe Jesus as gay (which is EXACTLY what is implied by deleting said article) is an insult to every lesbian, gay or bisexual person on this forum.


It was probably deleted for 2 reasons: 1) Religious threads with radical ideas never turn into productive discussions here, and 2), You're a troll for posting this kind of thread.

I agree that an explanation should be given for such actions, but I also think that you should have PM'ed the mods before REPOSTING the same, deleted subject.

No, I am not a troll. I think this is a legitimate thing to discuss.

Well if they deleted your post before, obvously its not a legitimate thing to discuss. Let's talk about your boyfriend.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: classy
Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.

So what, because there are christians present, all critical thought must be suspended?

Please explain why it is offensive to raise the notion that Jesus may have engaged in homosexual relations? Particularly in light of the historical evidence apparently supporting this notion.

By the way, I would like your permission to repost your response to an atheist group I am a member of.


 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: classy
Are you gay? Are you looking to to get folks to accept you being a homosexual, so you want to try and say Christ was gay. It is inappropiate for you to make threads like this. To bash and blaspheme religous symbols is unnecessary. If you want to do that bs then go somewhere else. And many folks here are Christian and this is the Christmas season. You freaking dirtbag.

So what, because there are christians present, all critical thought must be suspended?

Please explain why it is offensive to raise the notion that Jesus may have engaged in homosexual relations? Particularly in light of the historical evidence apparently supporting this notion.

By the way, I would like your permission to repost your response to an atheist group I am a member of.


gay and atheist?

ohh BOY you surely dont have an agenda eh?


 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: alchemize
OK, same reply as last time you trotted out the troll.

This is a hoax. If you the bible where this "missing text" supposedly is, there isn't any context for it. Just some gay professors, a gay website, and a gay poster trying to stir the pot with christians.

No, it's not a hoax. You dismissing the expertise of the noted religious authorities in question becase they are gay is as clear an example of homophobia as I have ever seen. Who is the gay poster you are refering to? (I am not 'gay' by the way).
I'm just using the same assumptions that the article used. I do search for "aidanjm" and "gay" and come up with a helluva lot of posts. Therefore you are gay. My research is foundationally as sound as the "researchers" in the article.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: classy
This guy ain't doing nothing but just trying to spit on folks who believe in Christmas with Jesus being the center. No doubt he is a homosexual.

I'm sorry, did Jesus actually say that homosexuality was a sin?

 

classy

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: alchemize
OK, same reply as last time you trotted out the troll.

This is a hoax. If you the bible where this "missing text" supposedly is, there isn't any context for it. Just some gay professors, a gay website, and a gay poster trying to stir the pot with christians.

No, it's not a hoax. You dismissing the expertise of the noted religious authorities in question becase they are gay is as clear an example of homophobia as I have ever seen. Who is the gay poster you are refering to? (I am not 'gay' by the way).
I'm just using the same assumptions that the article used. I do search for "aidanjm" and "gay" and come up with a helluva lot of posts. Therefore you are gay. My research is foundationally as sound as the "researchers" in the article.

I knew he was flaming. No doubt he is being neglected by his man this season. So he needs the attention. I understand.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: classy
This guy ain't doing nothing but just trying to spit on folks who believe in Christmas with Jesus being the center. No doubt he is a homosexual.

I'm sorry, did Jesus actually say that homosexuality was a sin?
Jesus didn't specifically say bestiality or pedophilia was a sin. They must not be also?
 

classy

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: classy
This guy ain't doing nothing but just trying to spit on folks who believe in Christmas with Jesus being the center. No doubt he is a homosexual.

I'm sorry, did Jesus actually say that homosexuality was a sin?
Jesus didn't specifically say bestiality or pedophilia was a sin. They must not be also?

He might have a big German Shepherd too :D