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Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for Pot use

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Originally posted by: NightDarker
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
"Smoked marijuana has not withstood the rigors of science -- it is not medicine and it is not safe," the DEA states on its Web site. "Legalization of marijuana, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers."
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Oh, man that's good stuff!
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I find that quote especially hilarious considering caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine can all be "addictive" in their own right (whether mentally or physically).
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Those all indisputably have the capacity to be physically addictive, something which cannot be factually stated about marijuana.
The real kicker is that it has not withstood the rigors of science... they really need an asterisk that says "because we won't allow it"
 
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Arkitech
so what's the odds of this really happening?
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none


Who has the link to that crazy bible thumper who was against everything, but played with dolls?
 
Although it's a nice dream the decriminalization of pot is not likely to happen, the bogus "War on drugs" generates huge amounts of cash and supports police forces, court systems and several federal agencies. If you decriminalized it and removed all civil and criminal penalties police forces and court systems across across the country would have to scale back to half their current size and agencies like the DEA would be out of business.

As is most things in this country it has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's all about $$$$$
 
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Once there is a test which can determine if one is under the influence of marijuana, I will fully support the decriminalization and perhaps the legalization of it. Until then, I will not support it.
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Why does this matter? So you can bust intoxicated drivers? If a person is driving in a way that compels police to pull them over, they probably should be cited for something, regardless of what substances they have consumed. I am much more afraid of a sleep-deprived, distracted, or inexperienced/scared driver than one that is stoned or had a couple beers. I don't see how having a test will change anything... as it stands it is illegal to drive under the influence, and that will continue to be the case.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
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Not only that, but it's no worse then alcohol which has been banned and re-allowed. Potheads will tell you that its much better, but regardless it goes on the same level.

Legalize it, and let it go commercial. That'd be a funny thing, show your id to buy some weed at Walmart.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
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Not only that, but it's no worse then alcohol which has been banned and re-allowed. Potheads will tell you that its much better, but regardless it goes on the same level.

Legalize it, and let it go commercial. That'd be a funny thing, show your id to buy some weed at Walmart.
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Walmart will only sell cheap ass dirt weed, you will have to go to Krogers or CVS to get the good stuff🙂

 
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
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Not only that, but it's no worse then alcohol which has been banned and re-allowed. Potheads will tell you that its much better, but regardless it goes on the same level.

Legalize it, and let it go commercial. That'd be a funny thing, show your id to buy some weed at Walmart.
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Walmart will only sell cheap ass dirt weed, you will have to go to Krogers or CVS to get the good stuff🙂
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But you see, that's the problem. If it were legal with no penalties, why the eff would you buy it from anyone? even drug dealers? It would be VERY easy to grow yourself.

OTOH, you could require a license(that would cost a hefty fee in order to keep individuals from growing, say, 20K$$$) in order to grow. Throw stiff fines/penalties on growing without a license. That would "keep it commercial".
 
Originally posted by: nonameo
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
Click to expand...

Not only that, but it's no worse then alcohol which has been banned and re-allowed. Potheads will tell you that its much better, but regardless it goes on the same level.

Legalize it, and let it go commercial. That'd be a funny thing, show your id to buy some weed at Walmart.
Click to expand...

Walmart will only sell cheap ass dirt weed, you will have to go to Krogers or CVS to get the good stuff🙂
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But you see, that's the problem. If it were legal with no penalties, why the eff would you buy it from anyone? even drug dealers? It would be VERY easy to grow yourself.

OTOH, you could require a license(that would cost a hefty fee in order to keep individuals from growing, say, 20K$$$) in order to grow. Throw stiff fines/penalties on growing without a license. That would "keep it commercial".
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It's pretty easy to grow herbs and vegetables, but the big farms aren't screaming about home growers. People are lazy. What's funny is that stoners are ESPECIALLY lazy so you need to worry about this even less.
 
"Ingested alcohol has not withstood the rigors of science -- it is not medicine and it is not safe," the DEA states on its Web site. "Legalization of alcohol, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers."
 
Originally posted by: nonameo
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't smoke it, never have, never will, and would be willing to submit to any medical test to prove so.

I support this legislation. Let the police target real criminals who are actually having a real negative effect on their communities.
Click to expand...

Not only that, but it's no worse then alcohol which has been banned and re-allowed. Potheads will tell you that its much better, but regardless it goes on the same level.

Legalize it, and let it go commercial. That'd be a funny thing, show your id to buy some weed at Walmart.
Click to expand...

Walmart will only sell cheap ass dirt weed, you will have to go to Krogers or CVS to get the good stuff🙂
Click to expand...

But you see, that's the problem. If it were legal with no penalties, why the eff would you buy it from anyone? even drug dealers? It would be VERY easy to grow yourself.

OTOH, you could require a license(that would cost a hefty fee in order to keep individuals from growing, say, 20K$$$) in order to grow. Throw stiff fines/penalties on growing without a license. That would "keep it commercial".
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Even if it was legal I think people would still buy it. Sure some people would grow it, but it's easier to just drop a few bucks on a bag. It would also likely be cheaper to buy it if it was legal. Not that I've copped any weed in recent times, but the good stuff costs money.
 
So if it is legal to have <100 grams, but illegal to sell for profit and/or have more than 100g....how the hell does anyone get it? Everyone just grows it?
 
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Once there is a test which can determine if one is under the influence of marijuana, I will fully support the decriminalization and perhaps the legalization of it. Until then, I will not support it.
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There is a test. It's called ho-hos. If you want them, you clearly must be stoned out of your gourd.
 
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Once there is a test which can determine if one is under the influence of marijuana, I will fully support the decriminalization and perhaps the legalization of it. Until then, I will not support it.
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Why does this matter? So you can bust intoxicated drivers? If a person is driving in a way that compels police to pull them over, they probably should be cited for something, regardless of what substances they have consumed. I am much more afraid of a sleep-deprived, distracted, or inexperienced/scared driver than one that is stoned or had a couple beers. I don't see how having a test will change anything... as it stands it is illegal to drive under the influence, and that will continue to be the case.
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because you cant jsut cite someone who has the appearance of intoxicatedness. You must test them and have a valid test result.
Breathilizer, Blood test, etc.
You must have the same type of test for Mary in order to be able to cite someone for DUI.
 
Maybe this one won't pass, but if it keeps getting brought up over and over again it will eventually. I haven't smoked in years and I've decided not to until it's legal to do so. Hopefully that will happen within my lifetime. Regardless of whether I get to get high again, I will feel a lot better when we've shored up this glaring inconsistency in the legal status of mind altering substances.
 
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Although it's a nice dream the decriminalization of pot is not likely to happen, the bogus "War on drugs" generates huge amounts of cash and supports police forces, court systems and several federal agencies. If you decriminalized it and removed all civil and criminal penalties police forces and court systems across across the country would have to scale back to half their current size and agencies like the DEA would be out of business.

As is most things in this country it has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's all about $$$$$
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But if you think about it...if it's legal then you don't have to spend the money enforcing it and covering court expenses and the cost to lock marijuana users (the violent criminals that they are...) up. So essentialy you don't need all that funding for the war on drugs because you're not spending money to enforce it anyways. I have no faith in our government.
 
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