Legislation blocking states from enacting min. wage might increase sometime maybe

[Meghan54]

He also intentionally caused food shortages because he believed Americans would work harder when starving.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act

He also made gold illegal because something something aliens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

The rock is shiny! I must make it illegal!!!

So, cutting surplus food production to prop up prices is creating starvation? LOL! And I missed where widespread starvation happened during the 1930's.....well, at least my parents don't remember that.

And I'm glad you boiled down the gold to aliens, which indicates you have no clue what it was all about.

 

[Oldgamer]

So I missed the guys name, but MSNBC had some Rep. official saying that if necessary he and some others may enact legislation to stop states from implementing min. wage increases because he and others think this will damage the country and slow job growth. I was like whaaaat?

As soon as I get the repeat on MSNBC I will look for the guys name and update this post here. I guess my question is, I thought republicans were all in favor of letting states do their own thing? Why on earth would someone want to stop states from increasing min wage??

I am interested in hearing some of the repubs thoughts on this.

Should you discover who actually said this and what he actually said, you may amend the title/article to reflect that.
admin allisolm

Pretty damn petty admin allisolm. I got your message.

I get it, I am having my every move on this forum watched like a hawk for every post, and every time I log in.

I am getting a warning for posting about having heard a snippet of something on the news and not diligently finding out who it was that said this or the actual context, because you know I should be watching the news 24/7 just to placate the complainers on this forum.

Mod callout - never a good idea.
admin allisolm

 

[hal2kilo]

He said like twice yesterday that if Republicans try to pass things that he is passionately opposed like repealing ACA he will veto it. I don't think we are going to see anything but more grid lock and head butting for the next two years.

Seeing several interviews with the "winners", I don't expect any meaningful legislation passing until the 2016 reset.. Like you said they are drunk with the power they think they have.

 

[Spungo]

So, cutting surplus food production to prop up prices is creating starvation? LOL! And I missed where widespread starvation happened during the 1930's.....well, at least my parents don't remember that.

Then you weren't paying attention in school. People would regularly skip meals back then. Protests over this were called Hunger Marches.

And I'm glad you boiled down the gold to aliens, which indicates you have no clue what it was all about.

What else would it be about? Why would the government make shiny rocks illegal? Gold was money at that time, so he was effectively making money illegal. Can you imagine Bush or Obama trying something like that? Making it a crime to hold US dollars? No sane person would create such a stupid law. It had to be schizophrenia induced aliens telling him to do it.

 

[BoberFett]

Except federal law only typically trumps state law when there is a jurisdictional matter, like interstate commerce, or when the state law sets a standard lower than the federal standard, such as the minimum wage.

This is why the minimum wage exists as it does, at the federal and state levels. The federal level is set and states cannot go below that, but state laws that set a higher amount are not preempted.

In the case of the minimum wage claim being made the federal government only has two options:
1. Set the standard so high as to invalidate individual state standards. This is obviously not what is being proposed.
2. Try to dictate that states cannot set higher standards. This is unconstitutional.

That's why I'm interested to see what the plan would be to effectuate something like this.

And if the federal government passed a law that stated a maximum minimum wage, states would be bound by that.

Please explain how not allowing the states to set higher standards is unconstitutional.

 

[Zaap]

Then you weren't paying attention in school. People would regularly skip meals back then. Protests over this were called Hunger Marches.



What else would it be about? Why would the government make shiny rocks illegal? Gold was money at that time, so he was effectively making money illegal. Can you imagine Bush or Obama trying something like that? Making it a crime to hold US dollars? No sane person would create such a stupid law. It had to be schizophrenia induced aliens telling him to do it.

Imagine Bush or Obama trying to stack the Supreme Court so that they could get a rubber-stamp on all the unconstitutional bullshit they want to get up to. (Actually many would love that, so long as it was their 'team leader' doing the stacking.)

Imagine any modern president interning American citizens based on race, then being held up many years later as a man of the people by clueless statist bootlickers. There's a lot of strange shit history revision does to the actual actions of out of control politicians.

 

[sactoking]

And if the federal government passed a law that stated a maximum minimum wage, states would be bound by that.

Please explain how not allowing the states to set higher standards is unconstitutional.

The federal government has no vested interest in setting a maximum minimum.

 

[Cozarkian]

The federal government has no vested interest in setting a maximum minimum.

They have the exact same interest as they do for setting a minimum in the first place - the regulation of the interstate market for wages.

If the feds passed a law stating "minimum wage is $$$ and this law is intended to pre-empt all state and local laws regarding the establishment of minimum wages" the court's would either have to invalidate state laws under supremacy grounds, or hold that the federal government does have a right to establish a minimum wage in the first place.

 

[Cozarkian]

What else would it be about? Why would the government make shiny rocks illegal? Gold was money at that time, so he was effectively making money illegal. Can you imagine Bush or Obama trying something like that? Making it a crime to hold US dollars? No sane person would create such a stupid law. It had to be schizophrenia induced aliens telling him to do it.

Was the word you read "alienable" or "alienability?" If so, that basically means that ownership of the property can be sold, traded or gifted to someone else. By making it illegal to hold gold, the order imposed a restriction on the alienability of gold, because if someone can't own it, then you can't sell, trade, or give it to them.

 

[BoberFett]

The federal government has no vested interest in setting a maximum minimum.

Except that's the whole point of this thread. A Democrat chicken little thread claiming the big bad Republicans are going to swoop in, cigars ablaze beneath their handlebar mustachios, fingers all a-twirl, and crush the minimum wage revolt.

 

[sactoking]

They have the exact same interest as they do for setting a minimum in the first place - the regulation of the interstate market for wages.

If the feds passed a law stating "minimum wage is $$$ and this law is intended to pre-empt all state and local laws regarding the establishment of minimum wages" the court's would either have to invalidate state laws under supremacy grounds, or hold that the federal government does have a right to establish a minimum wage in the first place.

But that's not how supremacy works. Supremacy is only invoked when two statutes cannot be read in harmony; the federal statute overrules. Given the opportunity a court will always interpret two statutes to exist harmoniously.

In order for a pre-emption clause to work the USSC ('cuz we all know that's where it would end up) would have to rule that not only is wage regulation purely interstate commerce but that states have no vested interest in regulating wages at the local level. The odds of that happening are probably nil.

 

[Meghan54]

Then you weren't paying attention in school. People would regularly skip meals back then. Protests over this were called Hunger Marches.

Geeee....seems to have slipped my mind. Hunger marches did occur in the UK, but wasn't very widespread in the U.S. at all, from my mother's recollection---she lived through the Depression. All I can find are references to the food riots that happened in some cities during 1931-1932, during the Hoover administration. I just can't find anything like that after FDR's election.

Have any links to these Hunger Marches that occurred nationally in late 1933 to whenever in response do FDR's agriculture policies of 1933 and beyond?

What else would it be about? Why would the government make shiny rocks illegal? Gold was money at that time, so he was effectively making money illegal. Can you imagine Bush or Obama trying something like that? Making it a crime to hold US dollars? No sane person would create such a stupid law. It had to be schizophrenia induced aliens telling him to do it.

Well, since gold was money, hoarding of gold had become something to do to hedge against the Depression and inflation. But, the U.S. was on the gold standard, and the gov't had to have a minimum gold reserve on hand equal to 40% (?) of the value of the printed money in circulation, if memory serves. That meant that hoarding gold essentially removed money from the economy....the govt. couldn't print as much as it potentially could if the populace wasn't hoarding the stuff.

So, an economic stimulus like we know today would be impossible if a substantial portion of available gold was being hoarded by individuals....remember, these were extraordinary times. When FDR was elected, unemployment had risen from 8 to 15 million and the gross national product had decreased from $103.8 billion to $55.7 billion.


Personally, FDR should have immediately dropped off the gold standard instead of the halfway step of trying to consolidate all the avail. gold into the gov't's hands. But, he did what he did and it's past history, never to be changed. C'est la vie.

 

[spacejamz]

Pretty damn petty admin allisolm. I got your message.

I get it, I am having my every move on this forum watched like a hawk for every post, and every time I log in.

I am getting a warning for posting about having heard a snippet of something on the news and not diligently finding out who it was that said this or the actual context, because you know I should be watching the news 24/7 just to placate the complainers on this forum.

Mod callout - never a good idea.
admin allisolm

Instead of owning up to posting a half ass thread, the OP lashes out and says he is the victim.

Typical liberal mentality at its finest....

 

[Cozarkian]

But that's not how supremacy works.

Yes, it is. There are various types of federal pre-emption. Sometimes federal preemption is only used to invalidate conflicting laws. However, a Congressional intent to be the sole regulation for a particular area can pre-empt otherwise non-conflicting laws.

If Congress makes clear that they intend the federal minimum wage law to be the only minimum wage law because non-conflicting state laws would interfere with federal intent in regulating the interstate minimum wage market, then state minimum wage laws are all preempted.

It's not actually going to happen though, nor should it.

 

[Jaskalas]

I am interested in hearing some of the repubs thoughts on this.

It's the "radical" Libertarians that want State's rights, myself included. I'll stand for States setting their minimum wage.
Republican leaders, OTOH, share with Democrats as the corporate party of America.

 

[Greenman]

So where is the actual quote thats the subject of this thread? I'd like to see it, and see what the context is.

 

[Fern]

So I missed the guys name, but MSNBC had some Rep. official saying that if necessary he and some others may enact legislation to stop states from implementing min. wage increases because he and others think this will damage the country and slow job growth. I was like whaaaat?

As soon as I get the repeat on MSNBC I will look for the guys name and update this post here. I guess my question is, I thought republicans were all in favor of letting states do their own thing? Why on earth would someone want to stop states from increasing min wage??

I am interested in hearing some of the repubs thoughts on this.

Should you discover who actually said this and what he actually said, you may amend the title/article to reflect that.
admin allisolm

I don't believe your recollection is accurate. I think if we, as posters here, are going to make such claims we should have some level of proof.

Let's say it is true (some random politician representing only her/himself made this statement), as a conservative this makes no sense to me. There is no reason the max minimum wage in, say Mississippi, should be the same as in other states such as CA or NY.

I prefer the system we presently have. The states (or cities) can enact the minimum wage they think best for them and the federal govt enact a minimum wage 'floor' applicable nationwide.

Fern

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's possible he was confused as to when this happened.

If we look back to, say, last spring in Oklahoma we'd see the Gov. sign a law that banned municipalities from enacting minimum wage increases and also banned municipalities from enacting paid sick leave and vacation.

Maybe that's what he was thinking of.

 

[Fern]

It's possible he was confused as to when this happened.

If we look back to, say, last spring in Oklahoma we'd see the Gov. sign a law that banned municipalities from enacting minimum wage increases and also banned municipalities from enacting paid sick leave and vacation.

Maybe that's what he was thinking of.

Yes, I seem to remember that.

But if so, he's not only confused as to the date, but also his major point. I.e., Oklahoma can't pass a law that stops other states from increasing min wage.

Fern

 

[JohnShadows]

They probably want to keep workers in their own states from moving to others.

 

[JohnShadows]

It's possible he was confused as to when this happened.

If we look back to, say, last spring in Oklahoma we'd see the Gov. sign a law that banned municipalities from enacting minimum wage increases and also banned municipalities from enacting paid sick leave and vacation.

Maybe that's what he was thinking of.

That's crazy. See my previous post, and apply it to municipalities.

 

[Thebobo]

I hate it when a participating member gets bullied off of forums.

Folks make post with unsubstantiated claims all the time here.
That discovery process is part of what the forums are for is what I thought.