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Legalization of weed bill in CA INTRODUCED!

yhelothar

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(02-23) 17:50 PST SACRAMENTO -- California would become the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana for recreational use under a bill introduced Monday by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco.

The proposal would regulate marijuana like alcohol, with people over 21 years old allowed to grow, buy, sell and possess cannabis - all of which is barred by federal law.

Ammiano, a Democrat in his third month as a state lawmaker, said taxes and other fees associated with regulation could put more than a billion dollars a year into state coffers at a time when revenues continue to decline.

He said he thinks the federal government could soften its stance on marijuana under the Obama administration.

"We could in fact have the political will to do something, and certainly in the meantime this is a public policy call and I think it's worth the discussion," Ammiano said. "I think the outcome would be very healthy for California and California's economy."

A spokeswoman for the Drug Enforcement Agency in Washington, D.C., declined to comment on the proposal. A White House spokesman referred to a statement on a question-and-answer section of an Obama transition team blog that says the president "is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."

While Californians have shown some tolerance for marijuana, such as use for medical conditions with voters' passage of Proposition 215 in 1996, the proposal will face tough opposition in Sacramento.

A lobbyist for key police associations in the state called it "a bad idea whose time has not come."

"The last thing our society needs is yet more legal intoxicants," said John Lovell, who represents the California Peace Officers' Association, California Police Chiefs Association and California Narcotic Officers' Association. "We've got enough social problems now when people aren't in charge of all five of their senses."

But Ammiano's proposal has the support of San Francisco Sheriff Michael Hennessey, who said the idea "should be the subject of legislative and public debate."

It also has the backing of Betty Yee, who chairs the state Board of Equalization, which collects taxes in California. An analysis by the agency concluded the state would collect $1.3 billion a year in tax revenue and a $50-an-ounce levy on retail sales if marijuana were legal.

The analysis also concluded that legalizing marijuana would drop its street value by 50 percent and increase consumption of the substance by 40 percent.

A spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, which advocates for reform in marijuana laws and is backing Ammiano's proposal, said any expected increase in consumption is a "false notion."

"They are making an intuitive assumption that a lot of people make that really does not have that much evidence behind it," said Bruce Mirken, the group's spokesman, who predicted it could take up to two years before the idea wins legislative approval.

"Don't tell me that doing something like (this) proposal is going to introduce another drug into society. That's a load of bull."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...TL&type=politics&tsp=1
 
Seems kind of.. pointless. Couldn't the feds put a stop to this?

Really doubt the bill has a chance, but would be interesting if it passed.
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Seems kind of.. pointless. Couldn't the feds put a stop to this?

Really doubt the bill has a chance, but would be interesting if it passed.

You'd be surprised how the medical pot industry is doing over there. Shops and whatnot out in the open and in business for a while
 
Well obama said he wouldn't raid medical dispensaries.. I suppose he'd keep the same stance wrt this.

That said, I'm not holding my breath.. except to hold in another puff..
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Seems kind of.. pointless. Couldn't the feds put a stop to this?

Really doubt the bill has a chance, but would be interesting if it passed.

Obama already stopped the DEA raids on the medical weed.
But I doubt this bill would have a chance either. But in such tough times, and under a former pot smoking liberal president... 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Brigandier
Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: Howard
$50 per ounce levy...

not bad considering it costs $400+ on the street easily.

WTF, marijuana costs $400 an ounce in the US?

Depends on the quality and quantity you're getting.

Holy hell, In Canada it's anywhere from 140-200, depending on how well you know the guy, and what kinda stuff it is.
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Seems kind of.. pointless. Couldn't the feds put a stop to this?

Really doubt the bill has a chance, but would be interesting if it passed.

Not really, other than cutting federal funding to state programs. It would raise many interesting constitutional debates, for sure. Commerce clause issues are likely to be the most successful, but you really have to reach for it (and earlier decisions definitely have!). Beyond that, its an issue of enforcement. Should the Supreme Court strike it down as unconstitutional and a lower court grant an injunction based on that, it's not like you can march into California and make them stop. Cutting funding is probably the only plausible avenue, short of sending in federal law enforcement and holding public officials in contempt, which is decidedly not something courts like to do at all.

My personal position is that legalization, regulation, and taxation are a good idea for many economic reasons that I won't get into. I don't live in CA, and have no personal interest in taking up a pot habit. But even beyond all of that, I'd really like to see the contrived commerce clause holdings that would have to come out to successfully strike this one down. That part is a definite, too. The enforcement part is my biggest curiosity.
 
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Seems kind of.. pointless. Couldn't the feds put a stop to this?

Really doubt the bill has a chance, but would be interesting if it passed.

Obama already stopped the DEA raids on the medical weed.
But I doubt this bill would have a chance either. But in such tough times, and under a former pot smoking liberal president... 🙂

So he admitted to making "past mistakes". If pot was legalized nation wide would he still call it a mistake?

I don't care either way, it's no worse then alcohol.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Seems kind of.. pointless. Couldn't the feds put a stop to this?

Really doubt the bill has a chance, but would be interesting if it passed.

Obama already stopped the DEA raids on the medical weed.
But I doubt this bill would have a chance either. But in such tough times, and under a former pot smoking liberal president... 🙂

So he admitted to making "past mistakes". If pot was legalized nation wide would he still call it a mistake?

I don't care either way, it's no worse then alcohol.

Yeah but there's a good chance that he's just saying what people would want to hear.
 
psh... who needs the 5 senses tuned correctly at all times? My 6th sense is so high that it more than makes up for the others.
 
In addition to the tax income there'd probably be a huge budget savings in interdiction costs, law enforcement costs, court costs, and the demand for jail cells. Those established entities will fight against this bill though because illegal pot = job security.
 
Of course the Police and DEA are against this....many jobs within those agencies rely on marijuana being illegal. Regardless, if this passes, then they can use that manpower to fight things that are more important than some guy smoking a blunt outside his house. I don't smoke anymore, but I do hope this passes. It is absolutely stupid that we have people that are taking up space in our overcrowded jails just because they were caught with an ounce of marijuana. California desperately needs the money, so they might as well start with this.
 
personally i don't think it will change a lot...the Government can't control the production of sales of such a small substance...know what i mean?
 
I take back my $400+.. it's more like $300+
I thought that I paid $210 for a half oz, with an oz not giving much bulk savings, but it was $160.
<- stoner memory 😛
 
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