legality and copyright

[zerocool1]

Is it legal for me to download an album that I have on another medium such as on a record or tape?
Just wondering for a friend.

Thanks

Amit

 

[BigJ]

Technically, no.

But do it anyway and tell the RIAA to fvck off.

 

[furie27]

According to the RIAA it is illegal.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Technically, no.

But do it anyway and tell the RIAA to fvck off.

that's what I figured

 

[amish]

similar question. if i have stuff on my dvr that i put on a different medium, such as a different hard drive or cd/dvd, is that illegal? i mean if i have it on one hard drive, can't i put it on another?

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: amish
similar question. if i have stuff on my dvr that i put on a different medium, such as a different hard drive or cd/dvd, is that illegal? i mean if i have it on one hard drive, can't i put it on another?

No

 

[amish]

is that a no for "no, it's not illegal to do that" or "no, you can't put shows on a hard drive for later"?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: amish
similar question. if i have stuff on my dvr that i put on a different medium, such as a different hard drive or cd/dvd, is that illegal? i mean if i have it on one hard drive, can't i put it on another?

If you means that you legally have a copy of an mp3 on one hard drive, then yes, it is probably legal under the Fair Use clause of the Copyright Act to make a copy of that for your own personal use.

 

[n0cmonkey]

It depends on who you ask. If you ask the *AA, then whatever would be truly best for the consumer is probably illegal. If you ask consumers with respect for copyright, then as long as you aren't just downloading stuff you don't have a copy of you're fine. If you ask the average a-hole, then download whatever the heck you want and give the *AA the bird.

 

[Schadenfroh]

what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

 

[SWirth86]

It may be technically illegal, but not practically.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

An infinite number of lawyers, with an infinite amount of money would disagree infinitely.

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

lol

what if i hook up my FM radio to my tape player and record a song and then hook up the tape player to my computer and then convert it to a mp3 and then put it on a cd to listen to it, is it still illegal?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

An infinite number of lawyers, with an infinite amount of money would disagree infinitely.

i guess the turntable is going back into the car

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

An infinite number of lawyers, with an infinite amount of money would disagree infinitely.

i guess the turntable is going back into the car

What I'm saying is, don't worry about it. There will be groups ready and willing to wave the fair use banner against the ravaging hordes of IP nuts. But it won't ever come to that.

There will be no resolution. Ever. One side will continually fight for fair use, the other will fight for PAY PAY PAY and maybe a bit of play. The only people taking a hit on this are the regular people that just want to hear/watch the stuff they purchased the way they want to do it.

 

[Maetryx]

I have made CDs by recording vinyl records and even cassettes (that I own) to my computer. I'm virtually certain this falls under 'fair use'.

 

[Mo0o]

Well according to the guy that was 900000 mp3s, its ok to download as long as you dont burn them or share them.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

An infinite number of lawyers, with an infinite amount of money would disagree infinitely.

i guess the turntable is going back into the car

Is that an in-dash turntable?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Well according to the guy that was 900000 mp3s, its ok to download as long as you dont burn them or share them.

He's wrong.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Transfering content from media you legally own to another form of media for personal use is not against the law (this is called space or format shifting). For example, burning a CD of a record you have is perfectly legal. Ripping your CDs and putting them on your iPod is legal. If you Tivo a TV show and then make a DVD of said show that is also legal (BetaMax case from the late 70's that draged on until '86) . This is called time-shifting. Backing-up a DVD you own is also legal. Of course you can't back-up the DVD w/o breaking the protection (which is illegal, thank you DMCA).


Lethal

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: Lazee

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
what if i hooked my turn table up to my preamp and plugged it into my PC and recorded the songs on it to MP3/CDA and put it on a CD and listened to it, still illegal?

lol

what if i hook up my FM radio to my tape player and record a song and then hook up the tape player to my computer and then convert it to a mp3 and then put it on a cd to listen to it, is it still illegal?

the thing is, is that you haven't payed royalties

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Transfering content from media you legally own to another form of media for personal use is not against the law (this is called space or format shifting). For example, burning a CD of a record you have is perfectly legal. Ripping your CDs and putting them on your iPod is legal. If you Tivo a TV show and then make a DVD of said show that is also legal (BetaMax case from the late 70's that draged on until '86) . This is called time-shifting. Backing-up a DVD you own is also legal. Of course you can't back-up the DVD w/o breaking the protection (which is illegal, thank you DMCA).


Lethal

The DMCA is untested, so it's really just "illegal." Unless you can convince the judge/jury/whatever that it is just reverse engineering for compatibility reasons (which I _think_ is legal under the DMCA).

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Transfering content from media you legally own to another form of media for personal use is not against the law (this is called space or format shifting). For example, burning a CD of a record you have is perfectly legal. Ripping your CDs and putting them on your iPod is legal. If you Tivo a TV show and then make a DVD of said show that is also legal (BetaMax case from the late 70's that draged on until '86) . This is called time-shifting. Backing-up a DVD you own is also legal. Of course you can't back-up the DVD w/o breaking the protection (which is illegal, thank you DMCA).


Lethal

The DMCA is untested, so it's really just "illegal." Unless you can convince the judge/jury/whatever that it is just reverse engineering for compatibility reasons (which I _think_ is legal under the DMCA).

Do you mean untested against a private citizen? 'Cause there are a number of DMCA based cases against companies (especially those that make DVD back-up software). So far the rulings have been in favor of the DMCA.


-Lethal

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Transfering content from media you legally own to another form of media for personal use is not against the law (this is called space or format shifting). For example, burning a CD of a record you have is perfectly legal. Ripping your CDs and putting them on your iPod is legal. If you Tivo a TV show and then make a DVD of said show that is also legal (BetaMax case from the late 70's that draged on until '86) . This is called time-shifting. Backing-up a DVD you own is also legal. Of course you can't back-up the DVD w/o breaking the protection (which is illegal, thank you DMCA).


Lethal

The DMCA is untested, so it's really just "illegal." Unless you can convince the judge/jury/whatever that it is just reverse engineering for compatibility reasons (which I _think_ is legal under the DMCA).

Do you mean untested against a private citizen? 'Cause there are a number of DMCA based cases against companies (especially those that make DVD back-up software). So far the rulings have been in favor of the DMCA.


-Lethal

Did the companies actually put up a decent fight? I don't keep up with that stuff, I disregard the DMCA as BS.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Transfering content from media you legally own to another form of media for personal use is not against the law (this is called space or format shifting). For example, burning a CD of a record you have is perfectly legal. Ripping your CDs and putting them on your iPod is legal. If you Tivo a TV show and then make a DVD of said show that is also legal (BetaMax case from the late 70's that draged on until '86) . This is called time-shifting. Backing-up a DVD you own is also legal. Of course you can't back-up the DVD w/o breaking the protection (which is illegal, thank you DMCA).


Lethal

The DMCA is untested, so it's really just "illegal." Unless you can convince the judge/jury/whatever that it is just reverse engineering for compatibility reasons (which I _think_ is legal under the DMCA).

Do you mean untested against a private citizen? 'Cause there are a number of DMCA based cases against companies (especially those that make DVD back-up software). So far the rulings have been in favor of the DMCA.


-Lethal

Did the companies actually put up a decent fight? I don't keep up with that stuff, I disregard the DMCA as BS.

I didn't follow the cases closely, but I would assume the companies would put up a good fight sense a loss would mean they'd have to go out of business.


Lethal