another dumb law...
if u are under 21 and driving your car and there is any alcohol in the car, it is assumed to be yours and you can get arrested.
even if you are driving your parents car and you get pulled over for speeding or something and they search the car and your parents left like a botlte of wine or something in the trunk...
at least thats what the law in NY was about 8 years ago
if u are under 21 and driving your car and there is any alcohol in the car, it is assumed to be yours and you can get arrested.
even if you are driving your parents car and you get pulled over for speeding or something and they search the car and your parents left like a botlte of wine or something in the trunk...
at least thats what the law in NY was about 8 years ago
Anubis
No Lifer
1) yes. it shoudl go to 18 OR you shouldent have to register for teh draft till 21. its absurd that you can die for your country but you cant drink.
2) it was better at 0.1. but its all relative. when my BAC is at .1 im still more or less sover not really buzzed. blowing over th elimit and being too drunk to drive really are diff
3) bad idea. we tried before
4) open container laws shoudl go. if your of age no reason you souldent be able to drink where you want if your not causing harm. stupid states liek PA and their ass backwards laws. everyplace shoudl be liek Maine. you can but ALL the beer you want at the groshery store. AND all the licqure also cause the have a whole isle for it. none of thsi noo beer on sundays, only buying at a ABC store or a beer distributor
2) it was better at 0.1. but its all relative. when my BAC is at .1 im still more or less sover not really buzzed. blowing over th elimit and being too drunk to drive really are diff
3) bad idea. we tried before
4) open container laws shoudl go. if your of age no reason you souldent be able to drink where you want if your not causing harm. stupid states liek PA and their ass backwards laws. everyplace shoudl be liek Maine. you can but ALL the beer you want at the groshery store. AND all the licqure also cause the have a whole isle for it. none of thsi noo beer on sundays, only buying at a ABC store or a beer distributor
Drinking age: very difficult to address. I've personally seen 30 year olds that shouldn't be allowed in the same building with alcohol and 16 year olds that would be fine. 21 is probably about right--although its unjust to a good many responsible-enough 18 year olds, and lets some complete idiots drink. Maybe we need a "drinking license"? 
DUI: I think punishment should vary with BAC and performance on coordination tests. I've NEVER understood why a person with a 0.08 is punished just as harshly as someone who has a 0.24. I abhor drunk driving--I don't drink AT ALL if I'm driving, although, that's my personal decision. Punishment for serious infractions (>0.10) should be extremely serious--permanent revocation of driver's license might do it for some. Punishment adapted to the person committing the crime might work also.
Zero Tolerance: I think DUI really should be zero tolerance, to a certain point. Underage drinking (when done safely) definitely should NOT be zero tolerance. Unfortunately, this is something that needs discretion--something our legal system (and police) are not very good at providing.
New Laws: Having to present a drinking license. It would be really neat to be able to deny people convicted of DUI (or other crimes related to alcohol) the right to purchase alcohol. Not practical, but could be interesting.
Living in a college town (Blacksburg, VA), I see a LOT of drunk people. Good public transit here in Blacksburg has helped IMMENSELY with the drunk driving problem.
DUI: I think punishment should vary with BAC and performance on coordination tests. I've NEVER understood why a person with a 0.08 is punished just as harshly as someone who has a 0.24. I abhor drunk driving--I don't drink AT ALL if I'm driving, although, that's my personal decision. Punishment for serious infractions (>0.10) should be extremely serious--permanent revocation of driver's license might do it for some. Punishment adapted to the person committing the crime might work also.
Zero Tolerance: I think DUI really should be zero tolerance, to a certain point. Underage drinking (when done safely) definitely should NOT be zero tolerance. Unfortunately, this is something that needs discretion--something our legal system (and police) are not very good at providing.
New Laws: Having to present a drinking license.
It would be really neat to be able to deny people convicted of DUI (or other crimes related to alcohol) the right to purchase alcohol. Not practical, but could be interesting.Living in a college town (Blacksburg, VA), I see a LOT of drunk people. Good public transit here in Blacksburg has helped IMMENSELY with the drunk driving problem.
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My opinions are less than objective on this subject since I've looked at the statistics and I've lost an uncle to a drunk driver that already had 3 previous DUI convictions but was still on the road.
So I'll refrain from comenting because it will do nothing other than open up a big 'ol BBQ pit.
So I'll refrain from comenting because it will do nothing other than open up a big 'ol BBQ pit.
Of course!!!!!!! We all know that college kids are fine examples of responsibility and making mature decisions! Yeah, right!
By the way, you talk as if im old. I'm only 27. Just because I can appreciate the immaturity in today's college students doesn't make me old. College should be a time for having fun and getting a little crazy yes, but it shouldn't involve alcohol. Number one they are not mature enough to handle it responsibly and number two it is illegal. Number one is the reason number two exists.
I am 18, i can fight for my country... but i can't buy/drink a beer?
I think the DUI laws are fine, or near it. If you are drinking you shouldnt be driving.
I think the DUI laws are fine, or near it. If you are drinking you shouldnt be driving.
XZeroII
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I took a Public speaking class last semester and the WORST speech I have ever heard in my entire life was a speech on how we should lower the drinking age to 18. It was the whinniest, most sorry excuse for a persuasive speech ever. It consisted of all these arguements, but it was sooooo not persuasive.
ViRGE
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While I am adimantly anti-alcohol, I would agree to most of that, as long as I got #4. I'd be a bit wavy on #1 and #2, but as long as schools were given the power to kick out intoxicated kids for the day(they cause enough problems without being drunk), then I could live with that.
What upsets me more than the whole "18 year olds have the power to vote and die for our country but can't drink" is that some highschool suspended a group of students after finding pictures on the net of them at a party with alcohol...
...yet at an annual senior/junior hazing girls can throw feces at eachother and hospitalize (5?) people and suddenly it's not a school's business. It sure as hell had better be somebody's.
To hell with that. None of it's their business or all of it is. Guess that's getting off topic, but...this is OT....
I'm one of those paranoid people who never did the dangerous things in HS, and if I had any inkling of a thought my drinking (on the occasions I do) affected my driving, I wouldn't.
I have conflicting thoughts on whether or not more strict or more lenient laws on drunk driving should be enforced. It scares me when I see friends who don't take it very seriously, pains me whenever I hear about another teen or college student who got hit, and makes me wonder if people w/o heavy drinking will get put behind bars pointlessly if it's better enforced. I also wonder what's going to stop drunks from driving, because even once you revoke their license they're still going to be driving.
...yet at an annual senior/junior hazing girls can throw feces at eachother and hospitalize (5?) people and suddenly it's not a school's business. It sure as hell had better be somebody's.
To hell with that. None of it's their business or all of it is. Guess that's getting off topic, but...this is OT....
I'm one of those paranoid people who never did the dangerous things in HS, and if I had any inkling of a thought my drinking (on the occasions I do) affected my driving, I wouldn't.
I have conflicting thoughts on whether or not more strict or more lenient laws on drunk driving should be enforced. It scares me when I see friends who don't take it very seriously, pains me whenever I hear about another teen or college student who got hit, and makes me wonder if people w/o heavy drinking will get put behind bars pointlessly if it's better enforced. I also wonder what's going to stop drunks from driving, because even once you revoke their license they're still going to be driving.
I'll answer the questions in the order they were asked, and i'll try not to go into too much detail why, as I don't want to be writing all day.
1.I think if you are old enough to fight for your country, smoke cigarettes, and basically everything but drink, you should certainly be old enough to make the decision whether or not to drink.
2.I think the limit should have stayed at .10. Going down to .08 makes it too easy to throw a 140lb man in jail for having a single beer, whereas .10 would at least let you have one drink before considering you drunk in most cases. Besides these reasons, everyone isn't drunk at the same point. Everyone is different, and some can handle a very high alcohol limit and not be drunk, while others can not. They've made it appear to be more simple than it is.
3.Zero tolerance is ridiculous. People make mistakes, and some more than others, and you just can't put someone in jail for life for drinking too much. They likely need help, not jail.
4.To be frank, I think we are already far too regulated by the government, and think they need to loosen up laws, not tighten down on them.
John-Paul
[EDIT] I thought I should add that I've been arrested twice for driving drunk. Both times were under the age of twentyone, and the first was when I was sixteen, the second I was twenty. The first was a DWI, and I was given 3 months suspension of my license, and ordered to undergo counseling. The second I refused the breathylizer and was given a refusal charge. The first time I wasn't even fined due to my age. The second time I was charged $900, given ten hours community service and had to go to "DWI School", and lost my license for 3 months.
1.I think if you are old enough to fight for your country, smoke cigarettes, and basically everything but drink, you should certainly be old enough to make the decision whether or not to drink.
2.I think the limit should have stayed at .10. Going down to .08 makes it too easy to throw a 140lb man in jail for having a single beer, whereas .10 would at least let you have one drink before considering you drunk in most cases. Besides these reasons, everyone isn't drunk at the same point. Everyone is different, and some can handle a very high alcohol limit and not be drunk, while others can not. They've made it appear to be more simple than it is.
3.Zero tolerance is ridiculous. People make mistakes, and some more than others, and you just can't put someone in jail for life for drinking too much. They likely need help, not jail.
4.To be frank, I think we are already far too regulated by the government, and think they need to loosen up laws, not tighten down on them.
John-Paul
[EDIT] I thought I should add that I've been arrested twice for driving drunk. Both times were under the age of twentyone, and the first was when I was sixteen, the second I was twenty. The first was a DWI, and I was given 3 months suspension of my license, and ordered to undergo counseling. The second I refused the breathylizer and was given a refusal charge. The first time I wasn't even fined due to my age. The second time I was charged $900, given ten hours community service and had to go to "DWI School", and lost my license for 3 months.
Lower it to 18. The oft-cited argument: If I can die for my country at 18, you better believe I'm going to be slobbering drunk the day before.
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Originally posted by: onelin0
What upsets me more than the whole "18 year olds have the power to vote and die for our country but can't drink" is that some highschool suspended a group of students after finding pictures on the net of them at a party with alcohol...
...yet at an annual senior/junior hazing girls can throw feces at eachother and hospitalize (5?) people and suddenly it's not a school's business. It sure as hell had better be somebody's.
To hell with that. None of it's their business or all of it is. Guess that's getting off topic, but...this is OT....
different schools with different policies.
DrPizza
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My solution: Lower the legal drinking age to 16, but raise the minimum age for driving to 25
Actually, I thought 18 was just fine... but, lower the BAC to a level where it isn't affecting a person's decision to drive. A person may think it isn't safe to drive after 4 beers, but after consuming those 4 beers, they may make a different decision. Lower it to .05 and the breathalyzer should only be given AFTER a person fails a sobriety check.
A response to whomever said that people would be guilty after drinking 1 beer? No way.
If a 160 pound male drinks 3 beers over the course of an hour, his estimated BAC is about .04 if he got behind the wheel at the end of the hour. Sorry, but I think if you're drinking more than that, you don't belong behind the wheel.
BAC calculator: (to estimate BAC after so many drinks..)
here
Actually, I thought 18 was just fine... but, lower the BAC to a level where it isn't affecting a person's decision to drive. A person may think it isn't safe to drive after 4 beers, but after consuming those 4 beers, they may make a different decision. Lower it to .05 and the breathalyzer should only be given AFTER a person fails a sobriety check.
A response to whomever said that people would be guilty after drinking 1 beer? No way.
If a 160 pound male drinks 3 beers over the course of an hour, his estimated BAC is about .04 if he got behind the wheel at the end of the hour. Sorry, but I think if you're drinking more than that, you don't belong behind the wheel.
BAC calculator: (to estimate BAC after so many drinks..)
here
Quick question: I just used that BAC calculator - I was looking at a can of Coors Light that I have, and it doesn't say what % alcohol it is..does anybody know? I thought all beer was about the same.
Also, I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18, like many of the other posters here. Although I'm not so sure about high school kids showing up at football games drunk. Maybe it should be 19.
Heh, the college town I live in (College Station, TX) has a law that requires every club/bar stop selling alcohol at 1 AM. That just encourages more house parties..
Also, I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18, like many of the other posters here. Although I'm not so sure about high school kids showing up at football games drunk. Maybe it should be 19.
Heh, the college town I live in (College Station, TX) has a law that requires every club/bar stop selling alcohol at 1 AM. That just encourages more house parties..
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