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Wduaqnug

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I know this is not a legal category but I hope you can help me.

I am resident of New York.

My friend lives in Fair Lawn, NJ ( bergen county)

We agreed that I would drive to his house on September 16, 2002 to go fishing to some huge lake in ringwood,nj. I parked my car on a street under a tree, by the time we were ready to go my windshield had bird poop all over it, wipers didnt help, so i simple filled like gallon container with water and washed it all with sponge. Than we were out on front porcht getting our bait and tackles ready, all of sudden fair lawn cop pulls up it obvious that he profiled me cause he saw new york plates on my car and all other cars had nj plates, he left than about 15min later he comes back comes out of his car asks who's car parked there. I told it was mine, he asked for my driver licence went back to his car to run me and plates everything was ok, he didnt ask for registration or anything, i wasn't near the car or driving it so he couldn't give me any motor vehicle violations. He asks me why there is water on the car, i without thinking told him i washed windshield because I had nothing to hide. He goes back to his car without saying word, comes back with summon for water restriction, says so there water restrictions and i can't give you any warnins go see the judge to find out the amount you fined. I went to court yesterday pleaded not guilty, there 55 people and out 55 ,50 were there for water restrictions but all of them fair lawn residents got tickets for watering lawn with sprinkles when they got e-mails and letters on august 20 about water restriction policies. Judge was not wanting to hear my story at all, just said go pay $80 like everyone else, $50 fine and $30 court fee. If I go through appeal court of bergen county i might get some asshole judge who knows other one and end up paying even more court fee's. Is there any laws in NY or NJ that protect me, can I contact dept of environment of nj for exception or should i contact governors or senators. it's just matter of principle for me to find out if there is anything I can do, to my knoweledge i didn't violate any laws and i wasn't aware of any water restrictions.

too bad i found this site too late

http://www.users.nac.net/thelaw/nj/appeal.htm


 

Legendary

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By entering a county you should be aware of its laws. Anywhere near the NYC area is in a ridiculous drought and car washing is definitely not allowed. That's my standpoint. You're right if you go to appeals, you may get a judge and have to pay some more. I say just leave it alone, you're out of $80. :(
 

NogginBoink

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Feb 17, 2002
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The justice system sometimes isn't.

Weigh your options and decide whether or not to appeal. If the judge wouldn't listen to your story, you certainly have a good reason to appeal, if not to complain to the state.

Sorry this happened to you; it sucks.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Wduaqnug
Legendary I am sure you call in advance about everything
That's not the point. I'll bet the first thing any lawyer you speak to about this will tell you that you're pretty much screwed since ignorance of the law is never an excuse to violate it. Obviously, this is a pretty extreme example (arguing that you didn't know it was illegal to kill someone being a more obvious one), but it doesn't make you any less culpable. The cop was definitely being a tool for not just warning you....it's not like you were filling a swimming pool or something.

One question: shouldn't the citation have gone to your friend since it was his house and his water? Seems like he's ultimately responsible for that as the owner of the house, right?

 

Ornery

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"...washed it all with sponge."

All? Meaning the whole car? And the cop returned after 15 minutes and it was still wet?

The cop sounds like an ass, that's for sure. Too bad you admitted you "washed" the car at all. He doesn't need any proof, since you said you did. Suppose you brought the water with you, I wonder how that would... uh... wash? ;)
 

Mill

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I must at admit the police officer went overboard. I would have had a hard time not flipping my stack at him for something as rediculous as what you posted about.
 

erikistired

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so they'd rather you be a danger to other drivers by driving around with a view obstructed by bird crap?

a-hole cop for sure.