leaked Forceware 87.08

[Gstanfor]

Get them here or here or here

IQ is very nice with this driver, performance is up also. There are also threading optimizations present in the advanced panel (should shut BFG10K up).

 

[BFG10K]

There are also threading optimizations present in the advanced panel

With instructions in the readme on how to disable them, no doubt.

And where the hell are the new official drivers?

Why must we constantly rely on beta scraps from nVidia?

 

[the Chase]

Hee hee- didn't work.

 

[Gstanfor]

:disgust: No readme containing instructions on how to disable thread optimizations here...

 

[Megatomic]

Threading optimizations? As in for my dual core CPU or is this for better multi GPU performance?

 

[Gstanfor]

A bit of both I believe since these drivers were written to support Geforce 7900 GX2

 

[BFG10K]

No readme containing instructions on how to disable thread optimizations here...

That's because you're looking in the wrong place.

 

[Gstanfor]

What the f**king hell do 84.21 release notes have to do with 87.08???

<<BFG10K anal nitpick mode>> you said:

With instructions in the readme on how to disable them, no doubt.

How come your pdf isn't called "readme" and isn't in the driver package? <</BFG10K anal nitpick mode>>

 

[BFG10K]

nVidia lists SMP optimizations having known issues in every official release since they first put them into the drivers.

Do you seriously believe leaked beta drivers that can't even run the system they were specifically designed for (quad-SLI) have magically fixed all of the problems?

 

[Gstanfor]

Obviously, you downloaded the guru3d drivers and not the tweaksrus drivers, because I can assure you that these drivers DO INDEED support quad-SLI!

 

[BFG10K]

I assume you're using the word "support" in the loosest possible sense, just like you describe nVidia's driver "support" in general?

nVidia ForceWare 87.24 used here (even later than 87.08).

To paraphrase:

During the testing we also experienced numerous crashes and freezes in different situation, primarily in high resolutions or with high levels of SLI AA enabled, which is why we could not compete quite a number of test runs. After numerous crashes we decided to switch to a 1000W power supply unit bought in Northern America, as we believed that the 660W power supply shipped with the system (as there are no higher-wattage power supplies in Europe) could not supply enough power for the machine. Even after the 1kW PSU was installed, the crashes and freezes remained.

The continuous crashes, freezes and problems of the currently shipping Nvidia GeForce quad SLI systems may be associated with early revisions of the hardware, but as the hardware is shipping to customers, any issues with stability are totally unacceptable.

So then, these "drivers" are attrociously poor at "supporting" Quad-SLI, the very platform they were specifically designed for and you expect us to believe they have cured all of the intricate problems of SMP that nVidia has been acknowledging for years as known driver issues?

But of course in your little fantasy world nVidia's drivers are perfect and it's simply inept users that cause the issues so I'm not surprised you have difficulty both comprehending and accepting reality.

 

[dug777]

I've enjoyed a really great glitch ever since i downloaded the newest beta drivers nvidia lists a few days ago, so i'm steering clear


If i leave my computer to turn the monitors off (powersave after 10mins) then i can't get any display output again, no matter what i do Rig is still purring away quite happily under the desk, and i've noticed no other problems, this just started after i got the new driver...

 

[Gstanfor]

You can download and test the 87.08's for yourself (assuming you even own the hardware you are so concerned about supporting), you can't with the 87.24's.

Just because one nVIDIA driver may perform badly says absolutely nothing about any other beta driver, as you should well know by now.

Why don't you sell your nVIDIA card and f**k off back to ATi land? You know you want too... and we want you too also.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: dug777
I've enjoyed a really great glitch ever since i downloaded the newest beta drivers nvidia lists a few days ago, so i'm steering clear


If i leave my computer to turn the monitors off (powersave after 10mins) then i can't get any display output again, no matter what i do Rig is still purring away quite happily under the desk, and i've noticed no other problems, this just started after i got the new driver...

What driver version? I've never had this trouble, and my monitor is set to switch off after 15 minutes.

 

[BFG10K]

You can download and test the 87.08's for yourself

No thanks - I prefer something better than nVidia's beta scraps.

Just because one nVIDIA driver may perform badly says absolutely nothing about any other beta driver, as you should well know by now.

The SMP optimization problems have been in the drivers for years; it's far from "one driver" that has the issue.

Why don't you sell your nVIDIA card and f**k off back to ATi land?

My my, someone's getting awfully touchy. In case you need to be reminded you're the one that posted the trolling flamebait to garner a response from me so don't start crying when I respond.

You know you want too...

Now that I agree with - the driver issues, inflated benchmark scores thanks to the eye-sore quality mode being used, the control panel "bugs" that just happen to somehow re-enable optimizations whenever they please and the months of waiting for new drivers that usually fix nothing when they finally arrive.

The Red Team is looking better and better every day.

 

[Gstanfor]

What makes you believe that anything you quoted up above is in anyway related to SMP optimizations? The XBIT guys aren't even sure what is wrong - they resorted to a 1K power supply.

As per usual, I strongly believe the "problems" are user induced (PEBKAC). here is a poetic example of PEBKAC in action (fortunately in this case it was sorted, but not before the user blamed everyone bar himself).

Oh, and one more thing for the "driver expert", you don't determine how recent a nVIDIA driver is by version number, but rather from the date stamp in the .inf file.

for instance:
DriverVer = 04/28/2006, 8.4.6.6
DriverVer = 03/17/2006, 8.7.0.8

FW84.66 is more recent than 87.08, however even that isn't the end of the story. nVIDIA has several driver teams working concurrently on drivers and the "latest" or "highest version" driver isn't guaranteed to be the best. User concensus so far is that 87.08 is a superior driver to 84.66 for most people despite being "older".

ow that I agree with - the driver issues, inflated benchmark scores thanks to the eye-sore quality mode being used, the control panel "bugs" that just happen to somehow re-enable optimizations whenever they please and the months of waiting for new drivers that usually fix nothing when they finally arrive.

The Red Team is looking better and better every day.

Adios. Aloha. Sayonara. Don't let the door get you on the way out...

 

[Ackmed]

IQ is "very nice"? Is it bettter? If so, post some comparisons.

 

[BFG10K]

What makes you believe that anything you quoted up above is in anyway related to SMP optimizations?

What makes you believe including SMP options in the driver control panel implies the issues have been fixed?

The XBIT guys aren't even sure what is wrong - they resorted to a 1K power supply.

To eliminate the PSU being the potential cause of course, which it wasn't. What's your point? Are you suggesting XBit overclocked their CPU and that was the cause of otherwise perfect drivers being far from perfect?

As per usual, I strongly believe the "problems" are user induced (PEBKAC). here is a poetic example of PEBKAC in action (fortunately in this case it was sorted, but not before the user blamed everyone bar himself).

Oh pu-lease, are you suggesting nVidia's drivers are perfect and all problems are in fact caused by overclocking or similar PEBKAC?

What an interesting little world you live in. Do you close your eyes and go to a happy place whenever nVidia themselves post listings of known issues with their drivers?

Oh, and one more thing for the "driver expert", you don't determine how recent a nVIDIA driver is by version number, but rather from the date stamp in the .inf file.

Except 8.4 is not the same series of driver as 8.7 is and you know it. However 8.7.1 is most certainly younger than 8.7.2, for example.

Furthermore Tom's hardware had issues with the 87.08 driver until they picked up the newer 87.24 driver:

The next driver to be released was version 87.08, which was the official shipping driver and was sent to some customers with systems. This fixed many problems, but when we received the Falcon Northwest system there were still issues. We updated the system in our California lab and the same results were seen.

Nvidia, in the meantime, was hard at work on yet another driver version: 87.24. This fixed many system lockups with 3DMark05 and Elder Scrolls IV (Oblivion),

You're clutching at straws and you know it. Oh, and don't forget to tell us Tom's also suffered from PEBKAC too.

Adios. Aloha. Sayonara. Don't let the door get you on the way out...

Not just yet - I need to finish up my benchmarks to demonstrate how nVidia's performance tanks when running high quality compared to the eye-sore quality used to inflate performance in online benchmarks.

I expect you'll have a cardiac arrest when you see the results as it'll cause you to question your very reason of existance.

 

[TheRyuu]

I'd personally skip on these. I'll wait for an official beta/WHQL driver, or a better leaked beta. I've been reading on the XG forums that these drivers are basically just to enable the dual 7900GTX (on that dual PCB thing) to be able to work.

For now I'd just use the XG 84.37.v2, XG 84.56.v2, and even the good old XG 84.22.v2 which is still the best Nvidia driver to date (IMO).

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You can download and test the 87.08's for yourself (assuming you even own the hardware you are so concerned about supporting), you can't with the 87.24's.

Just because one nVIDIA driver may perform badly says absolutely nothing about any other beta driver, as you should well know by now.

Why don't you sell your nVIDIA card and f**k off back to ATi land? You know you want too... and we want you too also.

Who said anything about ATI? I'd be wise and watch what you say around here.

 

[Gstanfor]

They do more than that wizboy. Both performance & IQ are well up with these drivers. So far I've found nothing to dislike about them.

 

[Ackmed]

What about the IQ is well up? How about some comparison shots.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You can download and test the 87.08's for yourself (assuming you even own the hardware you are so concerned about supporting), you can't with the 87.24's.

Just because one nVIDIA driver may perform badly says absolutely nothing about any other beta driver, as you should well know by now.

Why don't you sell your nVIDIA card and f**k off back to ATi land? You know you want too... and we want you too also.

wondering the same thing.. why doesn't BFG just try out the driver before he starts nitpicking on it...??

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: wizboy11
I'd personally skip on these. I'll wait for an official beta/WHQL driver, or a better leaked beta. I've been reading on the XG forums that these drivers are basically just to enable the dual 7900GTX (on that dual PCB thing) to be able to work.

For now I'd just use the XG 84.37.v2, XG 84.56.v2, and even the good old XG 84.22.v2 which is still the best Nvidia driver to date (IMO).

Im only using the Tweaks r Us 84.31's for now. Great performence, and amazing IQ.

 

[CP5670]

Not just yet - I need to finish up my benchmarks to demonstrate how nVidia's performance tanks when running high quality compared to the eye-sore quality used to inflate performance in online benchmarks.

I would be very interested in seeing this. I have suspected for a while that the performance drop is quite significant in some games (although negligible in others), but I never really had the time or patience to do my own benchmarks. I will still be keeping one of my 7800GTs for another computer after my new card arrives, so maybe I'll get around to it myself at some point.