Leaked draft of Copenhagen Treaty: Barely anything to do with the environment?

[Oceandevi]

The faster we can get the population growth down, the better off. And it seems to be a trend for "rich" countries to have lower birth rates. Sooner or later you have to step back from being a nationalist. Species should trump ideals.

A higher standard of living worldwide would solve many issues.
Sharing tech and resources would be a good thing, if it led to stable neighbors.
Too often it goes to a shabby leader. Maybe even from 1 shabby leader to another.

 

[drebo]

A higher standard of living worldwide would solve many issues.

While this may be true, giving money to "poorer" nations is not going to increase the average standard of living of that country. For the majority of "poor" nations, it will finance wars or make already ineffective governments more difficult to dislodge. Look at the "aid" we give to Israel and how much good it's doing the people who live there.

It is also not our job to go around and make sure that everyone lives "our way". Overpopulation in far-east Asia should have absolutely no effect on me, here in America. In fact, it doesn't...aside from the hundreds of billions extra in taxes I have to pay every year to pay for the "aid" we're sending over there.

Or, what, is the extra weight going to throw the Earth of its rotational axis?

 

[Gunslinger08]

The CONCEPT is not bad. The rest of it is Garbage.

Isn't that true of most government policies? By the time it gets passed into law, it's so laden down with crap that it's not even worth it. This is why I'd prefer a do-nothing republican or split Congress over our current one.

 

[Patranus]

*cough**cough* global government *cough**cough*
*cough**cough* redistribution of wealth *cough**cough*

 

[werepossum]

Maybe or maybe not. Cap and Tax has been languishing for months now, and it only passed by a slim margin in the radical liberal House. Many Midwest Democrat Senators realize that cap and tax would absolutely destroy the economy in their regions, and they can't hide as an anonymous face in a sea of 400+ representatives, so I think it's pretty unlikely that cap and tax has the same support in the Senate. The Senate, due to there only being two senators per state, tends to be much less radical than the more anonymous House.

Except that Obama/Pelosi/Reid don't actually need Cap and Trade any more now that the EPA has seized the reins. They can now punish, shut down, and ruin any virtually American company they wish using on CO2 output. I think they'll still push and pass Cap & Trade to get power to reward as well as punish (via allocating carbon credits) but it's no longer necessary to destroy the country and build glorious new workers' paradise.

 

[boomerang]

How long before they ban Coca-Cola or all carbonated soft drinks?

 

[palehorse]

Anybody who thinks Copenhagen is about anything more than global redistribution of wealth is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.

this.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Anybody who thinks Copenhagen is about anything more than global redistribution of wealth is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.

this.

Many of the third world nations representatives/leaders outright admitted this.

It was a chance to extort money from the richer nations.:thumbsdown:

 

[sandorski]

Many of the third world nations representatives/leaders outright admitted this.

It was a chance to extort money from the richer nations.:thumbsdown:

Incorrect.

 

[werepossum]

How long before they ban Coca-Cola or all carbonated soft drinks?

Not ban, just tax out the wazoo.

 

[palehorse]

Incorrect.

Please explain how/why CC's last statement is incorrect.

 

[OutHouse]

The concept of preventing the type of pollution mess we created when we were developing is sound.

Look up EPA superfund sites, and put a $ figure on waht we have spent, and need to spend to finish cleaning up at home.

We need to be responsible for what we consume.

who is this we? mankind or the US?

the problem is China and India dont give a fuck about the environment

 

[OutHouse]

Incorrect.

Epic Fail!

 

[yllus]

Looks like we're off to a roaring start - the "developing" nations who were asked to "commit to nationally appropriate mitigation actions" are going to miss the deadline to submit their numbers.

UN abandons climate change deadline

The timetable to reach a global deal to tackle climate change lay in tatters on Wednesday after the United Nations waived the first deadline of the process laid out at last month’s fractious Copenhagen summit.

Nations agreed then to declare their emissions reduction targets by the end of this month. Developed countries would state their intended cuts by 2020: developing countries would outline how they would curb emissions growth.

But Yvo de Boer, the UN’s senior climate change official, admitted the deadline had in effect been shelved.

“By [the end of] January, countries will have the opportunity to . . . indicate if they want to be associated with the accord,” he said. “[Governments could] indicate by the deadline, or they can also indicate later.”

“You could describe it as a soft deadline,” Mr de Boer said. “There is nothing deadly about it. If [countries] fail to meet it, they can still associate with the Copenhagen accord after.”

 

[cirrrocco]

who is this we? mankind or the US?

the problem is China and India dont give a fuck about the environment

yup, give them a hundred years to fuck up the environment and then all of the countries can start off the same page.