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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
No, it states that it just happens more often with an nForce board. Did you read it?
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Yes.

It's connected to nForce chipsets and newer nVidia vid cards.
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Well which is it? The Nforce or the video card?

And is this problem possible to duplicate, or is this one guy who probably has a power supply issue?


I have a Geforce and a Nforce, and I've played AC on this rig as well.
Also on a NF2 and GF3 and GF4. I've never encountered this bug with this game.

Like I said, is this something Nvidia can duplicate? Is it in their "known issues" section of their readme?

Basically, is this credible at all?

Theres legitimate complaints that dont stem from malfunctioning hardware, and then theres a zillion "bugs" out there from a bad hardware combo or poor quality components (usually RAM or PSU is the culprit).


Please tell me how I can duplicate this Geforce "video driver issue" with my rig guys.
I'm serious, I have the game.

Lets either be honest, and up front about this issue and prove it is not malfunctioning hardware or post a legitimate bug.

If I can duplicate it, I'll eat my hat.


Edit- BTW, you can duplicate the Sacrifice bug. Just a FYI. 🙂
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You are side stepping the issue. Changing the subject or going off in another direction doesn't make your statements anymore true. Just because a manufacter does not admit something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist... But according to you, unless nVidia admits it, it doesn't exist. But alas, you are just trying to blow smoke.
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Yeah that was one question of many I asked in that post.

But is it something that can be duplicated? If it is, it would probably be in Nvidias readme.

Tell me what I need to do to get my machine to duplicate this, and you will be correct.
The Sacrifice issue can be duplicated by anyone, easily. Its a clear and obvious ATI driver bug.
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Again, you are side stepping the issue. The smoke detecters are going off like crazy. I guess you are having a hard time accepting the fact that nVidia have driver problems too. You havn't even commented on the shimmering issue, yet that is a glaring flaw in the drivers themselves. So...? What is your defence of that? Even though the shimmering does not personally bother me that much, what would be the excuse for them launching such a product before it was fixed? Perhaps, maybe the company is fallable? I think so.

Edit ** What about the Far Cry issue?
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Again, you are side stepping the issue. The smoke detecters are going off like crazy. I guess you are having a hard time accepting the fact that nVidia have driver problems too. You havn't even commented on the shimmering issue, yet that is a glaring flaw in the drivers themselves. So...? What is your defence of that? Even though the shimmering does not personally bother me that much, what would be the excuse for them launching such a product before it was fixed? Perhaps, maybe the company is fallable? I think so.

Edit ** What about the Far Cry issue?
Click to expand...

Actually if you read the posts, its clear you are sidestepping everything I'm saying and keep bringing up new things to talk about.
Either that, or you are not the brightest.

And about those issues? For one Archangel shimmering affects both products.. not just Nvidia.
Who ever claimed Nvidia was infallible?? Where are you getting this?
You sound like a fanboy because I never claimed this. You are seriously just being stupid saying that kind of stuff.

The issue that was brought up was if Nvidia or ATI supported their products better through driver support. Nvidia is the clear winner there.

I'm glad you did admit defeat on Creigs "video driver bug" by dropping the issue.. because you are dead wrong.
Might as well talk about something else like shimmering because you got snagged on that one.
Like I said tell me how to duplicate it.
Threads like this could be pulled up on any product, but if its not scientific (ie. can be reproduced in controlled conditions), you cant pin the issue on the video card, the motherboard, the PSU, the RAM, or a failing hard drive.

You dont know.


You can duplicate the Sacrifice bug and pinpoint the drivers as the failing. And that issue is years old.
Top off that, generally slower adaptation of driver features (NV typically has the useful features like 90degree LCD rotation first and sometimes by a vast amount of time), poor linux support, poor OGL performance (another issue that has been going on for YEARS and we were promised a fix for it over a year ago), and Nvidia still has driver features like multimonitor support that is vastly superior to ATI.. among many other things I could detail for you.
ATI dropping support for <R300 in Vista? Reality buddy. Thats bad driver support.
But it wont matter, you are supporting ATI due to fanboyism, not facts and that is clear.

You want to argue the facts, then start posting some facts instead of deflecting the issue.


Go ahead Archangel, you want to dispute anything I've said here in this post?
Take your best shot buddy.
You dont know a thing about what you're talking about.

If you want to keep talkign about Creigs very poor example of an Nvidia "video driver bug" then go ahead.. let me know how this can be reliably duplicated ok?
Until then, everyone knows that Sacrifice is a direct result of poor ATI driver support.
 
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Again, you are side stepping the issue. The smoke detecters are going off like crazy. I guess you are having a hard time accepting the fact that nVidia have driver problems too. You havn't even commented on the shimmering issue, yet that is a glaring flaw in the drivers themselves. So...? What is your defence of that? Even though the shimmering does not personally bother me that much, what would be the excuse for them launching such a product before it was fixed? Perhaps, maybe the company is fallable? I think so.

Edit ** What about the Far Cry issue?
Click to expand...

Actually if you read the posts, its clear you are sidestepping everything I'm saying and keep bringing up new things to talk about.
Either that, or you are not the brightest.

And about those issues? For one Archangel shimmering affects both products.. not just Nvidia.
Who ever claimed Nvidia was infallible?? Where are you getting this?
You sound like a fanboy because I never claimed this. You are seriously just being stupid saying that kind of stuff.

The issue that was brought up was if Nvidia or ATI supported their products better through driver support. Nvidia is the clear winner there.

I'm glad you did admit defeat on Creigs "video driver bug" by dropping the issue.. because you are dead wrong.
Might as well talk about something else like shimmering because you got snagged on that one.
Like I said tell me how to duplicate it.
Threads like this could be pulled up on any product, but if its not scientific (ie. can be reproduced in controlled conditions), you cant pin the issue on the video card, the motherboard, the PSU, the RAM, or a failing hard drive.

You dont know.


You can duplicate the Sacrifice bug and pinpoint the drivers as the failing. And that issue is years old.
Top off that, generally slower adaptation of driver features (NV typically has the useful features like 90degree LCD rotation first and sometimes by a vast amount of time), poor linux support, poor OGL performance (another issue that has been going on for YEARS and we were promised a fix for it over a year ago), and Nvidia still has driver features like multimonitor support that is vastly superior to ATI.. among many other things I could detail for you.
ATI dropping support for <R300 in Vista? Reality buddy. Thats bad driver support.
But it wont matter, you are supporting ATI due to fanboyism, not facts and that is clear.

You want to argue the facts, then start posting some facts instead of deflecting the issue.


Go ahead Archangel, you want to dispute anything I've said here in this post?
Take your best shot buddy.
You dont know a thing about what you're talking about.

If you want to keep talkign about Creigs very poor example of an Nvidia "video driver bug" then go ahead.. let me know how this can be reliably duplicated ok?
Until then, everyone knows that Sacrifice is a direct result of poor ATI driver support.
Click to expand...

Wow, seriously, you are pretty hostile. I think you need a vacation from this forum. I agree with pretty much nothing you wrote here.

Edit ** I can tell you are worked up, because you have typos everywhere. Generally a sign when someone isn't calm and cool.

 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Again, you are side stepping the issue. The smoke detecters are going off like crazy. I guess you are having a hard time accepting the fact that nVidia have driver problems too. You havn't even commented on the shimmering issue, yet that is a glaring flaw in the drivers themselves. So...? What is your defence of that? Even though the shimmering does not personally bother me that much, what would be the excuse for them launching such a product before it was fixed? Perhaps, maybe the company is fallable? I think so.

Edit ** What about the Far Cry issue?
Click to expand...

Actually if you read the posts, its clear you are sidestepping everything I'm saying and keep bringing up new things to talk about.
Either that, or you are not the brightest.

And about those issues? For one Archangel shimmering affects both products.. not just Nvidia.
Who ever claimed Nvidia was infallible?? Where are you getting this?
You sound like a fanboy because I never claimed this. You are seriously just being stupid saying that kind of stuff.

The issue that was brought up was if Nvidia or ATI supported their products better through driver support. Nvidia is the clear winner there.

I'm glad you did admit defeat on Creigs "video driver bug" by dropping the issue.. because you are dead wrong.
Might as well talk about something else like shimmering because you got snagged on that one.
Like I said tell me how to duplicate it.
Threads like this could be pulled up on any product, but if its not scientific (ie. can be reproduced in controlled conditions), you cant pin the issue on the video card, the motherboard, the PSU, the RAM, or a failing hard drive.

You dont know.


You can duplicate the Sacrifice bug and pinpoint the drivers as the failing. And that issue is years old.
Top off that, generally slower adaptation of driver features (NV typically has the useful features like 90degree LCD rotation first and sometimes by a vast amount of time), poor linux support, poor OGL performance (another issue that has been going on for YEARS and we were promised a fix for it over a year ago), and Nvidia still has driver features like multimonitor support that is vastly superior to ATI.. among many other things I could detail for you.
ATI dropping support for <R300 in Vista? Reality buddy. Thats bad driver support.
But it wont matter, you are supporting ATI due to fanboyism, not facts and that is clear.

You want to argue the facts, then start posting some facts instead of deflecting the issue.


Go ahead Archangel, you want to dispute anything I've said here in this post?
Take your best shot buddy.
You dont know a thing about what you're talking about.

If you want to keep talkign about Creigs very poor example of an Nvidia "video driver bug" then go ahead.. let me know how this can be reliably duplicated ok?
Until then, everyone knows that Sacrifice is a direct result of poor ATI driver support.
Click to expand...

Wow, seriously, you are pretty hostile. I think you need a vacation from this forum. I agree with pretty much nothing you wrote here.

Edit ** I can tell you are worked up, because you have typos everywhere. Generally a sign when someone isn't calm and cool.

Edit 2 ** The thing is, South, I do not have my self esteem wrapped up in either company. So I have no problem admitting that ATI has problems, along with nVidia. As you can tell from my initial posts. I think they both make great drivers. You on the other hand are unable to accept that nVidia has flaws. Because anything mentioned puts you into a flame fest.

Now, let me address some issues to you. First thing is that the Shimmering issue for the 7800 GTX is far far worse than on any ATI card. Never-the-less, that doesn't get nVidia off of the hook, just because ATI may also have a minor problem with it. You can try and point the finger back at ATI, but the fact is, the shimmering issue affects the 7800 GTX more than any other card. In addition, only one place has reviewed an ATI card shimmering... Honestly, I am not quite sure I believe it, but it could be true.

As far as the Far Cry issue, that is pretty major, from what I am reading. I do not play Far Cry anymore, but I do hold the engine in high regard.

Anyway, I stand by my orgional statement and that is what ATI and nVidia drivers are pretty much on par. Where one is better, the other lacks and vica versa.
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I haven't read every reply, but if nobody has mentioned it I feel I should:

Those slides are from an internal presentation and were never meant for public release. These companies produce that sort of material all the time, including nVidia, and they are always tongue-in-cheek to keep the folks sat down at the table from falling asleep.

Take them with a pinch of salt guys - it's just corporate encouragement.
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Again, you are side stepping the issue. The smoke detecters are going off like crazy. I guess you are having a hard time accepting the fact that nVidia have driver problems too. You havn't even commented on the shimmering issue, yet that is a glaring flaw in the drivers themselves. So...? What is your defence of that? Even though the shimmering does not personally bother me that much, what would be the excuse for them launching such a product before it was fixed? Perhaps, maybe the company is fallable? I think so.

Edit ** What about the Far Cry issue?
Click to expand...

Actually if you read the posts, its clear you are sidestepping everything I'm saying and keep bringing up new things to talk about.
Either that, or you are not the brightest.

And about those issues? For one Archangel shimmering affects both products.. not just Nvidia.
Who ever claimed Nvidia was infallible?? Where are you getting this?
You sound like a fanboy because I never claimed this. You are seriously just being stupid saying that kind of stuff.

The issue that was brought up was if Nvidia or ATI supported their products better through driver support. Nvidia is the clear winner there.

I'm glad you did admit defeat on Creigs "video driver bug" by dropping the issue.. because you are dead wrong.
Might as well talk about something else like shimmering because you got snagged on that one.
Like I said tell me how to duplicate it.
Threads like this could be pulled up on any product, but if its not scientific (ie. can be reproduced in controlled conditions), you cant pin the issue on the video card, the motherboard, the PSU, the RAM, or a failing hard drive.

You dont know.


You can duplicate the Sacrifice bug and pinpoint the drivers as the failing. And that issue is years old.
Top off that, generally slower adaptation of driver features (NV typically has the useful features like 90degree LCD rotation first and sometimes by a vast amount of time), poor linux support, poor OGL performance (another issue that has been going on for YEARS and we were promised a fix for it over a year ago), and Nvidia still has driver features like multimonitor support that is vastly superior to ATI.. among many other things I could detail for you.
ATI dropping support for <R300 in Vista? Reality buddy. Thats bad driver support.
But it wont matter, you are supporting ATI due to fanboyism, not facts and that is clear.

You want to argue the facts, then start posting some facts instead of deflecting the issue.


Go ahead Archangel, you want to dispute anything I've said here in this post?
Take your best shot buddy.
You dont know a thing about what you're talking about.

If you want to keep talkign about Creigs very poor example of an Nvidia "video driver bug" then go ahead.. let me know how this can be reliably duplicated ok?
Until then, everyone knows that Sacrifice is a direct result of poor ATI driver support.
Click to expand...

Wow, seriously, you are pretty hostile. I think you need a vacation from this forum. I agree with pretty much nothing you wrote here.

Edit ** I can tell you are worked up, because you have typos everywhere. Generally a sign when someone isn't calm and cool.

Edit 2 ** The thing is, South, I do not have my self esteem wrapped up in either company. So I have no problem admitting that ATI has problems, along with nVidia. As you can tell from my initial posts. I think they both make great drivers. You on the other hand are unable to accept that nVidia has flaws. Because anything mentioned puts you into a flame fest.

Now, let me address some issues to you. First thing is that the Shimmering issue for the 7800 GTX is far far worse than on any ATI card. Never-the-less, that doesn't get nVidia off of the hook, just because ATI may also have a minor problem with it. You can try and point the finger back at ATI, but the fact is, the shimmering issue affects the 7800 GTX more than any other card. In addition, only one place has reviewed an ATI card shimmering... Honestly, I am not quite sure I believe it, but it could be true.

As far as the Far Cry issue, that is pretty major, from what I am reading. I do not play Far Cry anymore, but I do hold the engine in high regard.

Anyway, I stand by my orgional statement and that is what ATI and nVidia drivers are pretty much on par. Where one is better, the other lacks and vica versa.
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Posting finger getting a little figgity there AA?? Little double posting action?
LOL

But you continue to dodge any of my factual statements and data, and would rather talk about how hostile I am instead.

What you dont get AA, is that while you "dont agree", you arent offering any facts to rebut my stance.
Thats a problem as its a basic tenat of debate.

I'm saying NV support is superior becuase of A, B and C. And you are like "nah, it doesnt FEEL like better support!" 😛

Everything in my last reply to you still stands and everyone that wants to read our conversation will be able to see that (much to your dismay).
I'm done with you though, as you dont bring any information to the table to backup your claims.

As I inserted some facts into my last post, such as when ATI implemented 90degree rotation into their drivers.. and when NV did.. yup I know when they did.. surprise surprise who was first?
Same with multimonitor support. ATI's blows chunks compared to NV.

I admit both companys problems as well, you arent some hypothetical jesus just because you can do that. Anyone can do that. Unfortunately only one of us has the knowledge to know which one has consistently better support.
Its going to take someone who knows a bit more about the history than you to handle this debate.

😀 Good day.
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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Again, you are side stepping the issue. The smoke detecters are going off like crazy. I guess you are having a hard time accepting the fact that nVidia have driver problems too. You havn't even commented on the shimmering issue, yet that is a glaring flaw in the drivers themselves. So...? What is your defence of that? Even though the shimmering does not personally bother me that much, what would be the excuse for them launching such a product before it was fixed? Perhaps, maybe the company is fallable? I think so.

Edit ** What about the Far Cry issue?
Click to expand...

Actually if you read the posts, its clear you are sidestepping everything I'm saying and keep bringing up new things to talk about.
Either that, or you are not the brightest.

And about those issues? For one Archangel shimmering affects both products.. not just Nvidia.
Who ever claimed Nvidia was infallible?? Where are you getting this?
You sound like a fanboy because I never claimed this. You are seriously just being stupid saying that kind of stuff.

The issue that was brought up was if Nvidia or ATI supported their products better through driver support. Nvidia is the clear winner there.

I'm glad you did admit defeat on Creigs "video driver bug" by dropping the issue.. because you are dead wrong.
Might as well talk about something else like shimmering because you got snagged on that one.
Like I said tell me how to duplicate it.
Threads like this could be pulled up on any product, but if its not scientific (ie. can be reproduced in controlled conditions), you cant pin the issue on the video card, the motherboard, the PSU, the RAM, or a failing hard drive.

You dont know.


You can duplicate the Sacrifice bug and pinpoint the drivers as the failing. And that issue is years old.
Top off that, generally slower adaptation of driver features (NV typically has the useful features like 90degree LCD rotation first and sometimes by a vast amount of time), poor linux support, poor OGL performance (another issue that has been going on for YEARS and we were promised a fix for it over a year ago), and Nvidia still has driver features like multimonitor support that is vastly superior to ATI.. among many other things I could detail for you.
ATI dropping support for <R300 in Vista? Reality buddy. Thats bad driver support.
But it wont matter, you are supporting ATI due to fanboyism, not facts and that is clear.

You want to argue the facts, then start posting some facts instead of deflecting the issue.


Go ahead Archangel, you want to dispute anything I've said here in this post?
Take your best shot buddy.
You dont know a thing about what you're talking about.

If you want to keep talkign about Creigs very poor example of an Nvidia "video driver bug" then go ahead.. let me know how this can be reliably duplicated ok?
Until then, everyone knows that Sacrifice is a direct result of poor ATI driver support.
Click to expand...

Wow, seriously, you are pretty hostile. I think you need a vacation from this forum. I agree with pretty much nothing you wrote here.

Edit ** I can tell you are worked up, because you have typos everywhere. Generally a sign when someone isn't calm and cool.

Edit 2 ** The thing is, South, I do not have my self esteem wrapped up in either company. So I have no problem admitting that ATI has problems, along with nVidia. As you can tell from my initial posts. I think they both make great drivers. You on the other hand are unable to accept that nVidia has flaws. Because anything mentioned puts you into a flame fest.

Now, let me address some issues to you. First thing is that the Shimmering issue for the 7800 GTX is far far worse than on any ATI card. Never-the-less, that doesn't get nVidia off of the hook, just because ATI may also have a minor problem with it. You can try and point the finger back at ATI, but the fact is, the shimmering issue affects the 7800 GTX more than any other card. In addition, only one place has reviewed an ATI card shimmering... Honestly, I am not quite sure I believe it, but it could be true.

As far as the Far Cry issue, that is pretty major, from what I am reading. I do not play Far Cry anymore, but I do hold the engine in high regard.

Anyway, I stand by my orgional statement and that is what ATI and nVidia drivers are pretty much on par. Where one is better, the other lacks and vica versa.
Click to expand...

Posting finger getting a little figgity there AA?? Little double posting action?
LOL

But you continue to dodge any of my factual statements and data, and would rather talk about how hostile I am instead.

What you dont get AA, is that while you "dont agree", you arent offering any facts to rebut my stance.
Thats a problem as its a basic tenat of debate.

I'm saying NV support is superior becuase of A, B and C. And you are like "nah, it doesnt FEEL like better support!" 😛

Everything in my last reply to you still stands and everyone that wants to read our conversation will be able to see that (much to your dismay).
I'm done with you though, as you dont bring any information to the table to backup your claims.

As I inserted some facts into my last post, such as when ATI implemented 90degree rotation into their drivers.. and when NV did.. yup I know when they did.. surprise surprise who was first?
Same with multimonitor support. ATI's blows chunks compared to NV.

I admit both companys problems as well, you arent some hypothetical jesus just because you can do that. Anyone can do that. Unfortunately only one of us has the knowledge to know which one has consistently better support.
Its going to take someone who knows a bit more about the history than you to handle this debate.

😀 Good day.
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/yawn

Edit ** I couldn't help but notice you truly are a legend in your own mind. Well, I can't wait to hear more expert computer advice from a college student fresh out of a high school. You sure must have a lot of experience with ATI being that you have owned quite a few nVidia cards. :laugh:
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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Edit ** I couldn't help but notice you truly are a legend in your own mind. Well, I can't wait to hear more expert computer advice from a college student fresh out of a high school. You sure must have a lot of experience with ATI being that you have owned quite a few nVidia cards. :laugh:
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K.
Let me know when you have the knowledge necessary to debate ATI/NV drivers.

Thanks.
Until then, you got severely owned.
 
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Edit ** I couldn't help but notice you truly are a legend in your own mind. Well, I can't wait to hear more expert computer advice from a college student fresh out of a high school. You sure must have a lot of experience with ATI being that you have owned quite a few nVidia cards. :laugh:
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K.
Let me know when you have the knowledge necessary to debate ATI/NV drivers.

Thanks.
Until then, you got severely owned.
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You didn't own me, and to think such a thought, uhm... Yeah. I am pretty sure everyone here knows how ridiculous you are. But, I will be leaving the discussion, since I believe the following:

"Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level, and then beat you with experience" - UNK.

That about sums up how I feel on this issue. I won't be lowering myself to your level.

Have a good one.
 
nVidia stuttering issue - 3+ years and running.
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Can anyone tell me how it is I can get my nForce+NV25 combo to show this?

I can explain how you can get the Sac bug to show its head- play the game running any R3x0 and up hardware with any drivers. I've been running a nForce w/NV GPU system in one form or another for more then three years and have not ever experienced this bug.
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
You didn't own me, and to think such a thought, uhm... Yeah. I am pretty sure everyone here knows how ridiculous you are. But, I will be leaving the discussion, since I believe the following:

"Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level, and then beat you with experience" - UNK.

That about sums up how I feel on this issue. I won't be lowering myself to your level.

Have a good one.
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Yup. Dont want to lower yourself to my level and bring forth ANY sort of information or basis for your claims. :thumbsup:
 
I've always hated ATI, I always will...they compare MSRP prices, but what do those matter, when their XL is cheaper than the 7800 GT, yet the GT whoops the XL's butt? Plus I got my GT for 340 USD.
 
Can anyone tell me how it is I can get my nForce+NV25 combo to show this?
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Why would an ancient card like the NV25 have the problem? The problem is generally restricted to NV4x cards.

My nForce3 + 6800U had it in certain games like Undying which would stutter once every 3 seconds or so and SOF2 which would regularly pause for 5-10 seconds in certain levels.

As for extended nVidia issues, how about the DEP issue for 6+ months that had a 50% chance of rebooting the system after exiting an Unreal 2 based game?

Or the COD bug (6+ months in that one too and I think it's still there) where at high resolution + AA settings if you die your framerate drops to single digits when you respawn and can only be cured by a vid_restart?
 
Why would an ancient card like the NV25 have the problem?
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Since the problem is supposedly three years old and the NV25 launched three years ago, I would tend to think that it would be relevant.

6+ months
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So you are saying that nVidia is only ~six times better then ATi? I'm asking for any problem that lasted for years.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Can anyone tell me how it is I can get my nForce+NV25 combo to show this?
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Why would an ancient card like the NV25 have the problem? The problem is generally restricted to NV4x cards.
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I would think the NV25 would be relevant since it was released around the same time as this "bug" appeared.

I use a NV45 and dont have this issue. Please tell me how to duplicate it.
 
Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
I've always hated ATI, I always will...they compare MSRP prices, but what do those matter, when their XL is cheaper than the 7800 GT, yet the GT whoops the XL's butt? Plus I got my GT for 340 USD.
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Your anger and hate, you must let go. That is the path to the dark side. 😀
 
ati isn't going down. they're just on their move towards not building parts anymore.... just like nvidia. that's why they knocked their 3-year warranty down to just a 1-year warranty. they figure soon, their technology will be in cards other people make and they'll have longer warranties, so why waste the money on it? watch... ati will slowly phase out of the product market... they'll become strictly technology.
 
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