Leadtek 7350KDA Results...it's going into storage for awhile.

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Insane3D

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"Looks at my K7S5A and sighs. I wish I held out just 3 months before the upgrade bug bit me in the ass. "

I know the feeling, I've got one sitting in the closet not being used...:(
 

John

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<< I know the feeling, I've got one sitting in the closet not being used...:( >>



Unload it in the FS/T forum. :)
 

Idoxash

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haha coolness I hope this mobo rules I think I may order one but maybe i should wait and see how it is first eh....
 

Budman

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<< I know the feeling, I've got one sitting in the closet not being used... >>



Yes and i bet if you like this new board you'll have 2 ECS boards in the closet.;)
 

kreno

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<< "Looks at my K7S5A and sighs. I wish I held out just 3 months before the upgrade bug bit me in the ass. "

I know the feeling, I've got one sitting in the closet not being used...:(
>>



Wtf??? You have all these mobo's... SHARE THE WEALTH! GIVE ME THE K7S5A! YOU'RE NOT USING IT!

;)
 

Insane3D

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Ok guys...Fedex just came. :) My initial impressions are good. The manual that came with it is actually very well written, and explains most of the bios settings extremely well. The layout is nice and similar to the Shuttle AK31A as far as PCI/AGP/CNR layout. It has 6 PCI slots with one CNR slot on the bottom of the board. One knock I have on it is that it only has two fan headers like the ECS, but that is minor. The board's packaging is good, and it comes with the correct I/O panel like the ECS for using the integrated ethernet. I was going to put this in my clear acryllic case, but it's that awful gold color of the Asus/Abit boards...yechh. I'm not sure on CPU support other than the Duron/Tbird, but I am going to try my 1.2ghz MP chip in it and see how it goes. I will also check to see if the bios supports the SSE of the MP, but I think it's unlikely just yet. In reading through the manual, there are a TON of options...some I've never seen before and may have to mess around with. The one group of adjustments that I'm really in the datrk about are adjustments to the "CPU Skew". Another nice thing is that it comes with a neat software overclocking app so FSB adjustments can be done within the Windows enviroment. Well, I'm not sure how far I'll get tonight since I've got a hockey game to go to and work after that, but I've just brewed a fresh pot of coffee and I'm going to start messing with it now. I will update this thread when it's all up and running. :)
 

MichaelD

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Cool beans, man! You're one of the very few to have this board. You gots the ballies, Insane3D! :D Please let us know how it all goes. I know you'll go right for at least a 160FSB! ;)
 

Soccerman

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DA! don't go to hockey for the love of God!

hmm 2 fan headers.. well that would put a damper on me wanting this board a little bit (I think I'm using all the fan headers on my 8KTA3). oh well, I'll survive with that..

btw you don't need motherbaord support AFAIK to get SSE supported and running in the software that uses it.

I wish I could get this board in Canada right now..
 

Insane3D

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Ok, setting up XP on it now. The bios has a TON of options. Some I didn't mess with. The board apparently has the correct PCI/AGP divisors for 166mhz and even 200mhz FSB operation. The FSB settings in the bios are set up like this...FSB/Mem/PCI. There are two settings that are like this..166/166/33 and 200/200/33! You can even run your CPU @ 133mhz FSB and the memory @ 166mhz with the 133/166/33 setting... Of to continue setting up XP...:)
 

Budman

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Cool, i want to know if Vcore,Multipliers work fine & a few benches at 166/166/33 would be nice. :)
 

Soccerman

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ok that's it I'm buying this board..

if I can find it :-(

seriously, I'd put my CPU to 200mhz fsb if I could find RAM that quick..
 

Bozo Galora

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Bozo hears his heart beating at a furious pace.
Breaths are coming in short gasps.
The excitement is almost unbearable.
 

Insane3D

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Well, preliminary results are not too encouraging. The max DDR voltage is supposedly 2.7v, but it actually puts out 2.65v @ the max setting. The stick of Crucial I am using that would run fine @ 150mhz FSB with all the memory timings maxed out on my 8K7A+ will not even do 138mhz with the Ultra setting and CL2. With the memory on the slowest settings (Safe, CL 2.5) I can't even run 148mhz FSB... The board also does not recognize the Athlon MP correctly at all, just as a "Athlon". I don't even think it wil recognize an XP either..

There are a ton of settings in the bios that I've never seen, like "skew" adjustments for DDR and the CPU, and it seemingly lets you choose which bus the integrated peripherals use for communication. The Nic, USB and others have choices of either th "Embedded Bus" or the "PCI Bus"... I will try some more stuff when I go home tomorrow, but I think I'm going to go back to the 8K7A+ if the board doesn't start performing better. It seems to be fine default settings, but overclocking seems to be very limited which is a shame for a board with so many features for just that. I mean you can have all the features in the world like dividers, FSB, Voltage adjustments and the like, but if the board won't handle those options, then they might as well not be there. Even my ECS will do 150mhz FSB... Also, there is a weird issue with the multiplier. The multiplier is set with a set of four switches. The multiplier can be set from 5 to 12.5....BUT...there is no option for 10.5..so 1.4ghz with a 133mhz bus is not happening... I'll update this tomorrow..:(
 

Bovinicus

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That board seems so intriguing. Those results are very dissapointing though. It looked like it might have been a top contender for overclockers out there. If it can't provide good stability at overclocked speeds, then it doesn't really matter...
 

MisterNi

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For some reason this reminds me of that once famous poem "Casey at the Bat" :( If you don't know the poem, just google it. :(:(:(
 

Insane3D

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Do you mean this one?

"Casey At The Bat
by Ernest L. Thayer



The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day,
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play.

And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair.
The rest clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast.
They thought, "if only Casey could but get a whack at that.
We'd put up even money now, with Casey at the bat."

But Flynn preceded Casey, as did also Jimmy Blake;
and the former was a hoodoo, while the latter was a cake.

So upon that stricken multitude, grim melancholy sat;
for there seemed but little chance of Casey getting to the bat.

But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all.
And Blake, the much despised, tore the cover off the ball.

And when the dust had lifted,
and men saw what had occurred,
there was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.

Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
it rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;

it pounded through on the mountain and recoiled upon the flat;
for Casey, mighty Casey, was advancing to the bat.

There was ease in Casey's manner as he stepped into his place,
there was pride in Casey's bearing and a smile lit Casey's face.

And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
no stranger in the crowd could doubt t'was Casey at the bat.

Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt.
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.

Then, while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
defiance flashed in Casey's eye, a sneer curled Casey's lip.

And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
and Casey stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.

Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped --
"That ain't my style," said Casey.

"Strike one!" the umpire said.
From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
like the beating of the storm waves on a stern and distant shore.

"Kill him! Kill the umpire!" shouted someone on the stand,
and it's likely they'd have killed him had not Casey raised his hand.

With a smile of Christian charity, great Casey's visage shone,
he stilled the rising tumult, he bade the game go on.

He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the dun sphere flew,
but Casey still ignored it, and the umpire said, "Strike two!"

"Fraud!" cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered "Fraud!"
But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed.

They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
and they knew that Casey wouldn't let that ball go by again.

The sneer has fled from Casey's lip, the teeth are clenched in hate.
He pounds, with cruel violence, his bat upon the plate.

And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
and now the air is shattered by the force of Casey's blow.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright.
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light.
And, somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout,

but there is no joy in Mudville --
mighty Casey has struck out. "
 

AGodspeed

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The stick of Crucial I am using that would run fine @ 150mhz FSB with all the memory timings maxed out on my 8K7A+ will not even do 138mhz with the Ultra setting and CL2.

Check out what ahfung had to say about it:

Good luck to Insane3D. I ran into a hell of memory compatibility problems with 7350KDA. The only stable DDR RAM it works with is Kingston with Nanya modules. And it sucks at overclocking. The voltage regulator never gives the overclocked CPU enough voltage when under load (e.g. Prime95 torture test).

Weird, I thought this would be an awesome board. Why else would Leadtek even release this board, it seems like the perfect enthusiast board, yet it's OC ability doesn't seem decent be any measure.
 

Insane3D

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Well, I just was browsing Leadtek's site, and I see there is a new bios out dated 11/26 (the shipping one is 11/05) and I will give it a try. BTW, unlike the ECS, this board uses the much friendlier Award based bios. If it still doesn't perform well, I may just pack it up and toss it in the closet with my GTXP and wait until newer bioses come out and PC2700 becomes a bit cheaper...:) Of course, neither their Taiwan or USA FTP sites seem to be working...LOL! :(
 

Insane3D

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Well, I gave the new bios a try, and even that was a problem. The floppy drive would give errors when trying to flash or copy the old bios to the disk. I had to tear the LS120 out of my main system just to flash the bios. It didn't help @ all. The one thing it added was the DDR voltage was now adjustable up to 2.8v...although it only runs @ 2.75v when set there. It may be that the board doesn't like Crucial memory, but that's what I have and I am not buying some more stuff now just in hopes the board overclocks better. The highest FSB I could reach with the memory on Ultra, CL2 was a whopping 138mhz..and even that was barely stable. I also tried strictly multiplier overclocking, and that was equally unimpressive. Oh well, live in learn. The 8K7A+ goes back in and the Leadtek goes back to Newegg. :( Maybe I'll put the money towards a GF3...