On two forums, some guys where complaining about that the model is being pulled out the stores and the alternative, VP920, is not a MVA monitor and not a direct replacement. But I can't find the URL again to post it, so, I'm not sure about nothing 🙁I haven't heard about that. Where did you read it?
Originally posted by: JohnOBuirrows
I'd appreciate it if you guys could help me. So I'm buying a new high-end desktop for general usage but also for movies, photo editing (semi-advanced) and some gaming, and I need a good monitor. My criteria are that this monitor must be high-quality. widescreen, 20-21" and it has to have HDCP-support. I'd prefer it if the monitor was all black but this is not so important.
The problem is that in widescreen monitors the choice is really difficult. Viewsonic VX2025WM looks like good value to money but it does not have HDCP-support. Neither does Nec 20WMGX2 (in Europe that is where I live... I don't know why Nec decided to not include HDCP-support in the European version of 20WMGX2). Samsung makes great monitors but 215TW, while having HDCP-support, is seemingly not that great in games (or movies). From what others have said, it almost seems like a pure office monitor. Of course Dell monitors are highly regarded but the 2007WFP has that banding problem.
Of course, if one is looking for high-quality inevitably Eizo comes to mind, and Flexscan S2110W Widescreen (21.1") would be extremely nice (it comes in all black!) but the price, the price... While I want to include only high-quality components to my desktop I cannot justify Eizo's +1000 euro price tag. Bare in mind that I'm really just a typical young adult who uses his computer to typical stuff: writing papers on MS Word, using MS Messenger, playing some CS, editing party pics and sometimes watching dvds. I do want high-quality but +1000 euros (that's even more in dollars, although prices in Finland are way higher than those in the States) for a monitor... a bit too steep for me.
So help me out? Which monitor would be great for me? Bare in mind that I'm in no way a hardcore gamer (I play CS 50 minutes a day and that's it). Also, you might wonder why I insist on getting the HDCP-support, especially when that means that I have to pass monitors such as the Nec and the Viewsonic. Well, I want a futureproof monitor since I definately won't buy another monitor for at least 4-5 years.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Welcome to the forums.
Actually, I don't think the Samsung 215TW would be a bad monitor at all for games. The high contrast should make movies awesome and the response time is more than adequate for anybody but the most hardcore gamers. Is it as fast as the gaming monitors? No. Is it decently fast? Yes. This is judging from response time test pictures. samduhman on the other hand didn't like it for gaming. I couldn't tell you if it was fast enough or if the ghosting would bother you. Many people are fine on 25 ms monitors and this is rated 8 ms g2g. I don't know which monitors have HDCP but I think your options are quite limited. The 215TW is likely as good a monitor you'll be able to find that also has HDCP support.
I think a lot of people can see the ghosting, it's just a matter of whether it will bother them or not. And, of course, everybody by default assumes it will, it is just human nature (they are sensitive to "everything"). You will have to try it for a couple days to really find out. I almost returned my Samsung 710T before realizing the ghosting was hardly bad at all, and I was a hardcore gamer (2 hours of Wolfenstein: ET a day). It amounted to me being able to see it when I looked for it, but not when paying attention to the game.
Originally posted by: JohnOBuirrows
Originally posted by: xtknight
Funny you should recommend Samsung 215TW. I started reading about it and all seem to agree that it's a really good monitor. Some even like it for gaming purposes. And as 215TW does come in black and has HDCP-support it may just be my number one choice.
As far as ghosting is concerned I actually haven't seen or noticed any ghosting on any monitor. Perhaps I'm just a person who can't tell when ghosting appears or who doesn't just pay attention to it. My laptop, the notoriuous FSC Amilo M3438G, has a 17" WXGA+ widescreen display (with that Nec-like mirror-coating) and it has a response time of 16ms. I have played CS for hours with this thing and the image has always been incredibly good to my taste.
It's a pity Nec doesn't come with HDCP-support. Actually the mirror-coating might appeal to me as I'm used to it using my laptop. But it is true that that kind of coating makes the display not so good for movies. Especially during day time. Sure, the mirror-coating makes the colours more life-like, vibrant, but there are some downsides (although I really have to focus if I want the reflection of myself bother me).
I think I'll name Samsung 215TW as my number one choice. I hear it's a great multipurpose monitor (perhaps the best -- not including Eizo) and does great when watching movies. Sure the gaming aspect might not be great but then again I'm not a hardcore gamer and play games with pretty much the same mentality as people play solitaire or tetris.
I'd appreciate it if people would give their take on my problem and of Samsung 215TW.
The 215tw had a beautiful screen, better than my VX2025 which I think is still great. Even though you say your not a hardcore gamer I'd highly recommend you get it somewhere where you can return it. I came from a 19" crt. The ghosting or motion blur was very very bad to my eyes on the 215tw after extensive comparisons (I was fooling myself that it wasnt there because I didn't want to go to the trouble to return it 😉 ). The VX2025 handles games very well. Ghosting is there but its extremely easy to overlook it vs the 215tw. I may be incorrect (someone correct me if so) but after playing games on smaller 17" lcds to compare to the 215tw Im under the impression that the smaller screens even with 25ms response times do not display ghosting/blurring problems as prominately as the bigger 20" lcds. The ghosting is there its just the screen pixels (or whatever their called) are so tight its not as noticable....? If your truly not a gamer then the 215tw is probably for you.
Originally posted by: LukeAP
Does anyone here know anything about the Acer AL2023 20" 4:3 LCD?
I think it a fairly new, it is listed on this page:
http://global.acer.com/products/monitor/2_series.htm#
The specs make it sound like one of the new S-IPS panels like the L2000C and the Dell 2007FP, but I can't find any reviews of it on the net.
Originally posted by: Loque
Unfortunately it has a P-MVA panel according to this site: http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.
Originally posted by: 1Dark1Sharigan1
Question about the VX2025. I've heard that it lacks built in aspect ratio adjustments (to 4:3 for example) but is there any scaling problems when done through the drivers (i.e. forcing 4:3 through the driver control panel)?
Originally posted by: apr
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I wouldn't really know what to exchange it for, since it's impossible to "try" screens where I live, and perhaps most LCDs are this way. I wish I'd been able to take a live look at other screens. If I do manage to return it, does anyone have ideas for what to get instead? Is the widescreen NEC 20WGX2 also coated with this sandy surface? 🙁
Originally posted by: CP5670
On a side note, after trying out more games, I am finding that contrary to my earlier remarks, the 90GX2 does in fact have substantial motion blur in a few old games where the framerate constantly stays at 60 or 75. In D2X-XL (fanmade update of Descent 2), it's bad enough that I actually get somewhat dizzy after playing for only a few minutes. 🙁 I'll just stick with my main computer for these games. I dont think there are any LCDs that are really significantly faster though?
Originally posted by: LukeAP
Originally posted by: Loque
Unfortunately it has a P-MVA panel according to this site: http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.
Ah, interesting. Still, according to the Acer page there are two models;
A2023, 8ms, viewing angle: 178/178
and
A2023 A, 5ms, viewing angle: 160/160
It is the 178 degree viewing angle that made me think S-IPS. I still wonder whether the A2023 A could be MVA and the A2023 is S-IPS. I guess we won't know for sure untill someone reviews it.
Luke
Originally posted by: cdjr
One curiousity though. In the address bar, tool bars and favorites/bookmarks, all the lower case "straight-line characters" (l,i,1) have a bright red overlay. Web pages are fine, it's just in the browser-specific
items.
Originally posted by: Salamero
Decided to go with either the Samsung 204T or 210T. Yes I know they're different sizes but after 20", I am more than content. I'm looking for a monitor that has rich vibrant colors with good blacklevels , handles text very well, good for graphic design/3D modeling, and is good with video. I have always been drawn to the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 with its Opticlear screen which looks awesome, its use of a AS-IPS screen and not a TN (I'm not a hard-core gamer), and ridiculously high contrasts and brightness, BUT at 20 widescreen its too small/short. So...
I really like both the Samsung 204t and 214t. Their specs are different in such a way that its hard for me to decide whats best:
------------------------------214T-----------------------204T-----------------WINNER
Panel---------------a-si TFT/PVA LCD--------a-si TFT/Super-PVA------------204T
Screen Size----------------21.3"-----------------------20.1"-------------------214T
Pixel Pitch-----------------0.27mm------------------0.255mm-----------------204T
Brightness---------------300 cd/m2----------------300 cd/m2----------------DRAW
Contrast Ratio-----------900:1------------------------700:1-------------------214T
Response Time-----------8ms-------------------------16ms-------------------214T
So is a lower pixel pitch and better panel on the 204T "better" or preferable to the 214T's higher contrast and faster response time? Is it worth the extra $200?
Originally posted by: apr
First of all, the monitor lags. As in, when I move the mouse, I feel a very slight delay before the arrow moves across the screen. I doubt it's the fault of the system, because I don't feel it at all using my CRT. Settings don't seem to matter (ie, which screen is primary/secondary), so I'm going to assume it's simply the fault of the relatively slow 16ms panel. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong. In any case, it makes the computer feel "sluggish", when it's really not.
Second problem is the strange surface used on the screen. There's a kind of coarse coating applied, which probably helps reduce glare and/or increase contrast and make colours look fancier, but since I can actually see the tiny patterns across the screen, my eyes focus on the surface of the monitor rather than anything the monitor is displaying. Reading is uncomfortable, because I keep focusing on the wrong spot, if that makes any sense. It's also weird to actually be focusing your eyes on places where the monitor is showing nothing but a plain colour.
Both of these issues may simply take getting used to, but I think they should be mentioned.
Another issue is the scaling function when playing games/whatever at a lower resolution than the native 1600x1200 (ie, every game, unless you like 4fps). When the game shows sudden changes in light (bright -> dark), there's sometimes a kind of tearing that flickers across the screen where it was just bright. I couldn't see it when running with the scaling function off, and I'm not entirely sure I'll be noticing it much, but it's there and should be noted for prospective buyers.
My last problem is slight backlight bleeding at the very top of the screen, to the right of the middle. It's slight and can't be noticed unless the room is pitch black. No dead pixels, so I've no clue if NEC thinks it's a valid reason to switch it, and I don't even know if I want to, in case I'd be stuck with dead pixels instead.
If I do manage to return it, does anyone have ideas for what to get instead? Is the widescreen NEC 20WGX2 also coated with this sandy surface? 🙁
Originally posted by: steved72
Anyone know anything abouth this acer 19" 4ms lcd AL1951cs.
I am looking at that or the benq fp93gx
Any Ideas.
Originally posted by: apr
First of all, the monitor lags. As in, when I move the mouse, I feel a very slight delay before the arrow moves across the screen. I doubt it's the fault of the system, because I don't feel it at all using my CRT. Settings don't seem to matter (ie, which screen is primary/secondary), so I'm going to assume it's simply the fault of the relatively slow 16ms panel. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong. In any case, it makes the computer feel "sluggish", when it's really not.
I always run games with VSYNC on, because I hate tearing more than anything in the known universe. I tried Counter-Strike first, but had VSYNC set to 85Hz (old CRT settings), which messed that up pretty badly. Set it to 60Hz to playtest the LCD, and the tearing mentioned was seen. Like I said, it's related to the aspect zoom scaling thing, since it can't be seen in the 1:1 mode.Originally posted by: xtknight
This is only when transitioning from bright->dark or is that just when it is most noticeable? Do you use vertical sync?Another issue is the scaling function when playing games/whatever at a lower resolution than the native 1600x1200 (ie, every game, unless you like 4fps). When the game shows sudden changes in light (bright -> dark), there's sometimes a kind of tearing that flickers across the screen where it was just bright. I couldn't see it when running with the scaling function off, and I'm not entirely sure I'll be noticing it much, but it's there and should be noted for prospective buyers.
I'll try to get a look at it, but I'm not entirely sure I wouldn't go nuts over my own ugly reflection.I think the LCD20WGX2 is as good as you're going to get these days. Hopefully the OptiClear coating won't have that weird problem you describe the LCD2070NX as having. And hopefully they have solved the backlight bleeding problems on the LCD20WGX2 by now. I'm really not sure if they are worse than normal or not.If I do manage to return it, does anyone have ideas for what to get instead? Is the widescreen NEC 20WGX2 also coated with this sandy surface? 🙁
MMM the Acer Al1923 looks nice too. Interesting specs, 178/178, 8ms GTG, 1300:1. A fast S-PVA/S-IPS pannel perhaps?Anyone know anything abouth this acer 19" 4ms lcd AL1951cs.
I am looking at that or the benq fp93gx
Any Ideas.
