Lazy, bloodsucking union employee

[momeNt]

I don't think you're familiar with how sexual harassment works. In sexual harassment cases, the accused could have said/done the same thing many times previously without any sort of complaint by the victim. But then one time, the victim feels it is too much or they've had enough or ... whatever and the accused is on the hook. That's how it works. So you think everyone at the office is cool with this sexist comments because every one is laughing and nobody has ever complained? Well, that might not last forever.

Yes, that's true. I simply said it would be interesting. I also think the argument that it may not be a sexual act even if its an act involving genitals is also an interesting argument. I'll be intrigued to see how this plays out and only hope that @pauldun170 will grace us with an update lacking any sort of commentary when the time comes.

 

[Paratus]

I don't think you're familiar with how sexual harassment works. In sexual harassment cases, the accused could have said/done the same thing many times previously without any sort of complaint by the victim. But then one time, the victim feels it is too much or they've had enough or ... whatever and the accused is on the hook. That's how it works. So you think everyone at the office is cool with this sexist comments because every one is laughing and nobody has ever complained? Well, that might not last forever.

It must be something to finally realize that your "playful" pinches with all those women who "let you" over the years were actually sexual assault.

Heh. Who am I kidding none of them will ever realize it. Even if convicted.

 

[Homerboy]

Yes, that's true. I simply said it would be interesting. I also think the argument that it may not be a sexual act even if its an act involving genitals is also an interesting argument. I'll be intrigued to see how this plays out and only hope that @pauldun170 will grace us with an update lacking any sort of commentary when the time comes.

At the least it's sexual harassment.

 

[momeNt]

At the least it's sexual harassment.

We've all been non-sexually touched in our genitals at one time or another. So, I would say that there is an argument to be made that you are wrong on that.

 

[nakedfrog]

Yes, that's true. I simply said it would be interesting. I also think the argument that it may not be a sexual act even if its an act involving genitals is also an interesting argument. I'll be intrigued to see how this plays out and only hope that @pauldun170 will grace us with an update lacking any sort of commentary when the time comes.

I wonder if you'd be this off-hand about it if some dude stuck a pinky up your bum at the office.

 

[Paratus]

We've all been non-sexually touched in our genitals at one time or another. So, I would say that there is an argument to be made that you are wrong on that.

Other than by a doctor or when I was still
In diapers, no I can't say I've ever been touched on the genitals in a non-sexual way.

Certainly never in a professional environment.

Maybe you need to rethink your argument a bit.

 

[momeNt]

I wonder if you'd be this off-hand about it if some dude stuck a pinky up your bum at the office.

Battery yes, it most certainly is an unwanted touching, I'm just saying depending on the nature of the touching, I think that it requires more than where on your body for it to occur to be classified as sexual. Sexual assault requires some sort of sexual motive I thought.

 

[Homerboy]

We've all been non-sexually touched in our genitals at one time or another. So, I would say that there is an argument to be made that you are wrong on that.

Once again, I don't think you get how sexual harassment works. Do you not have sexual harassment training at your employer?

 

[momeNt]

Other than by a doctor or when I was still
In diapers, no I can't say I've ever been touched on the genitals in a non-sexual way.

Certainly never in a professional environment.

Maybe you need to rethink your argument a bit.

Never had your balls slapped being told to "sack up"? If it was unwarranted or unwanted, do you think the offender is guilty of a battery or of a sexual assault crime?

 

[Homerboy]

Never had your balls slapped being told to "sack up"? If it was unwarranted or unwanted, do you think the offender is guilty of a battery or of a sexual assault crime?

Sexual harassment, yes.
And no, I've never had somebody slap my balls in that manner at all.

 

[Brainonska511]

Never had your balls slapped being told to "sack up"? If it was unwarranted or unwanted, do you think the offender is guilty of a battery or of a sexual assault crime?

Maybe you think that's normal because you grew up around abnormal individuals.

 

[pauldun170]

I've been guilty of posting stories but skipping out on comment.
It is a simple matter of posting them when short on time with intention to get to them later.
In this case I wrote something out and after some thought wanted to redo it. It was late and I was getting tired.


Thought it was funny story and posted it.

To sum up the "original commentary"
Some idiot actually did the crotch grab.



I can understand the commentary rule especially when you have people posting Youtube video and articles from ridiculous blogs.

 

[Paratus]

Never had your balls slapped being told to "sack up"? If it was unwarranted or unwanted, do you think the offender is guilty of a battery or of a sexual assault crime?

Can't say that I have. Was this a family member or maybe a coach who slapped your balls?

Why wouldn't that be assault?

 

[momeNt]

Maybe you think that's normal because you grew up around abnormal individuals.

If one was kicked in the balls during a fight, would that constitute not only a battery, but also a sexual assault? Is that person now a sex-offender? I'm just trying to say that not all touches relating to genitals are sexual, and as such, not all of them are prosecuted under sex crimes. There was literally just a case on our forums about this!!

 

[momeNt]

Can't say that I have. Was this a family member or maybe a coach who slapped your balls?

Why wouldn't that be assault?

It was during penis inspection day. Also when I received sex ed tutoring.

It's assault (battery really, assault is fear of physical harm without the actual harm), but not necessarily sexual assault / battery.

 

[Brainonska511]

If one was kicked in the balls during a fight, would that constitute not only a battery, but also a sexual assault? Is that person now a sex-offender? I'm just trying to say that not all touches relating to genitals are sexual, and as such, not all of them are prosecuted under sex crimes. There was literally just a case on our forums about this!!

So now you're moving the goal posts.

 

[MajinCry]

We've all been non-sexually touched in our genitals at one time or another. So, I would say that there is an argument to be made that you are wrong on that.

Fuckin' what?

 

[Homerboy]

Fuckin' what?

I think he's referring to being kicked-in the crotch or maybe some inadvertent "touching" under the water by our uncle when we were "wrestling" in the kiddie pool. I mean we all have been there, right? RIGHT?!

/me looks around the rest of the room nervously for more raised hands...

 

[momeNt]

So now you're moving the goal posts.

No I'm just trying to illustrate my points.

Please tell me if the thread last week about the white football players assaulting a black disabled boy with a coat hanger in his ass pleading not to a sex crime and not forced to register on the sex offender database is something you agree with or not. The argument by his counsel, and accepted by the judge, was that the acts were not sexual in nature.

 

[momeNt]

I think he's referring to being kicked-in the crotch or maybe some inadvertent "touching" under the water by our uncle when we were "wrestling" in the kiddie pool. I mean we all have been there, right? RIGHT?!

No, getting your diaper changed.

Do you have kids? Have you touched their genitals? Wake up.

 

[Paratus]

If one was kicked in the balls during a fight, would that constitute not only a battery, but also a sexual assault? Is that person now a sex-offender? I'm just trying to say that not all touches relating to genitals are sexual, and as such, not all of them are prosecuted under sex crimes. There was literally just a case on our forums about this!!

Maybe this is a better question.

Who should decide if it was nothing more than a "joke" or if it was assault or sexual assault, the one doing the assault?

 

[Homerboy]

No I'm just trying to illustrate my points.

Please tell me if the thread last week about the white football players assaulting a black disabled boy with a coat hanger in his ass pleading not to a sex crime and not forced to register on the sex offender database is something you agree with or not. The argument by his counsel, and accepted by the judge, was that the acts were not sexual in nature.

And that was a HORRIBLE ruling. It should have certainly been a sex crime. As @Paratus just pointed out, the victim is the one that gets to decide.

 

[momeNt]

Maybe this is a better question.

Who should decide if it was nothing more than a "joke" or if it was assault or sexual assault, the one doing the assault?

The justice system. What the prosecutors think they can convict with, or what he will plead to.

 

[Paratus]

The justice system. What the prosecutors think they can convict with, or what he will plead to.

Ok, to get the justice system involved then the victim has to make a complaint.

So it is first the victims decision as to whether the assault was a joke or not.

It's this woman's decision if the touch was inappropriate or not. Just like it was your decision to decide if being slapped in the nuts was inappropriate to you.

I'll add not informing the judicial system does not mean the victim concluded it was a joke. Only that the potential blowback of informing was deemed to be worse than not.

 

[momeNt]

Ok, to get the justice system involved then the victim has to make a complaint.

So it is first the victims decision as to whether the assault was a joke or not.

It's this woman's decision if the touch was inappropriate or not. Just like it was your decision to decide if being slapped in the nuts was inappropriate to you.

I'll add not informing the judicial system does not mean the victim concluded it was a joke. Only that the potential blowback of informing was deemed to be worse than not.

As to the bold, usually yes, but technically not always. In this case probably a number of people could have alerted the police to what happened, as apparently it was done in front of a group of people.

Usually though with these cases, the only witnesses are the victim and perp, so the last part of your statement is definitely true.