Layer o' Fat + Stomachs

NathanBWF

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So last night my gf tells me that with womens stomachs, the fat layer is on top of the muscle layer while with mens stomachs, the fat layer is underneath the muscle layer. Therefore, for women to get a 6-pack they basically need to have zero fat in the stomach area, while for men it's much easier. Just wondering if this is true or if she is on crack because I've never heard this before.

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Frew

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Originally posted by: amoeba
not true. for men, fat is also on top of muscle.

Yea or we would have a 6 pack on top of the beer belly.
 

PricklyPete

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I've never seen a guy with a beer gut and a six pack at the same time...unless that six pack was in his hand.
 

Doggiedog

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Women get fat all over. In their arms, butts, stomachs, legs, etc.

Men's fat tends to gravitate towards their stomach initially.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: amoeba
not true. for men, fat is also on top of muscle.

Indeed.

Yep, it's both, actually. the layer over the muscle is always thinner than the layer under, but it's both.

And all individual are different in their body makeup.
 

Hubris

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Not true. However, it's usually easier for males to get rid of the fat layer in the stomach area than it is for women, which is why it's generally easier for guys to get six packs.
 

amoeba

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yes, hubris is right. While both men and women have fat ontop of muscle, women tend to naturally have more fat in their lower abdomen thus making visible 6 pack more difficult
 

NathanBWF

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I don't suppose anyone has a link to something that I could print out to prove her wrong...I mean...not that I don't trust the all knowing minds of ATOT...:D
 

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http://www.tuftsdaily.com/vnew...04/09/29/415a6bf24f7e8

Genes stacked against women wanting six-packs
By Ian AsaffS
enior Staff Writer
In honor of my little sister's 16th birthday today, I am going to print one of her questions. No, she is not a student here (yet), but her question is definitely pertinent, as her quest for visible abs is one shared by copious amounts of female students here (and everywhere).

Q: I do 100 crunches every night before bed, but I can't seem to get a six-pack. Is there some special exercise I should be doing? Am I doing something wrong?

- Gretchen Asaff, Larchmont, NY

A: Ladies (and gentlemen, since it would probably suit you guys well to understand this in order to have an objective response next time your girlfriend complains about having a little bit of a tummy), there are many fundamental differences between male and female anatomy. Skipping the obvious ones, I would like to focus on the different ways in which male and female bodies are predisposed to storing fat.

As a rule of thumb, females generally have higher percentages of body fat than males. This is due to a number of factors, ranging from evolutionary to hormonal. But let's just say that this biological predisposition to store more fat than a male makes it difficult for females to achieve that ultra-ripped look (read: a six-pack on a girl is the result of a genetic gift combined with lots of hard work).

According to the American Council on Exercise, the percentage of body fat for a female that is deemed essential for survival is around 10 to 12 percent, whereas the essential range for a male is a mere two to four percent. A healthy (i.e. physically fit) woman should have a body fat range of 21 to 24 percent, while a male should have one in the 14 to 17 percent range. As you can see, men can get a six pack more easily for biological reasons - so women, don't get discouraged that your stomach isn't razor cut. Many women can only achieve a certain level of tone and may never even see actual abdominal muscles.

Now the second issue: exercise-induced spot reduction. This myth just will not die. This untruth is based on the fallacious idea that working the heck out of a specific part of the body (in this case, the abdominal region) will decrease the amount of fat deposited there. So what about the legions of spandex-clad students doing crunches until they pass out? This practice will not only have a minimal effect on abdominal fat, but it can easily lead to over training and injury.

The only way to reduce body fat - barring the use of illicit substances - is to manipulate your caloric intake/output ratio so that you burn more calories than you consume. In other words, try cutting some of the junk food out of your diet, and do three to four cardio sessions every week. This will induce fat loss in areas all over the body. However, you will not lose fat from one specific area at a time.

Rather, depending on your genetic make-up, you will notice a general reduction of overall body fat that may be more pronounced in some places than others. Some people initially lose more fat in places other than their abs, so don't get discouraged if you see fat loss in parts of your body other than your stomach. Many women lose fat first in their hip/thigh region. So be patient and results will come.

As far as some special exercise that will get you a six pack, each abdominal exercise has its advantages and its drawbacks. When targeting the abs, be sure to develop a good burn through maintenance of proper form. Combine this with regular cardio and you'll be well on your way to a flatter, firmer stomach (though, because of the aforementioned reasons, a six pack might be tough to achieve).

As for laying off junk food, Gretchen, you can start that tomorrow. Happy birthday and enjoy your cake.

 

Kyteland

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Originally posted by: NathanBWF
I don't suppose anyone has a link to something that I could print out to prove her wrong...I mean...not that I don't trust the all knowing minds of ATOT...:D

*Warning! Warning, Will Robinson.*
 

edro

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My sister had a six pack while she was pregnant... It was hilarious.
 

marcello

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I've got a six pack on top of a beer gut. It's not a large beer gut, but there's definetly fat that looks six pack defined.
 

nmcglennon

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fat is on top of your muscles, or your body's physiology would change with the fatter you got...

women have a greater cxn of fat in their bodies (IE BOOBS!) which has to come off before the six pack shows. Have you ever seen a woman bodybuilder with HUGE boobs (not counting implants!)? I think not.
 

SludgeFactory

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big bulging beer bellies are from high amounts of abdominal visceral fat, which I guess is what your gf is calling "underneath the muscle." That's mostly a male/testosterone thing, but men still have plenty of subcutaneous fat cells there just like women. Once a man has lost most of his visceral fat he still has the subcutaneous fat to get rid of. And because men's hormones cause them to tend to store fat around their midsection preferentially, they pretty much have to lose most of their overall bodyfat before they see visible abdominal muscles.

Women, OTOH, naturally carry more total bodyfat than men, and they also have a gynoid fat distribution where a higher percentage of fat is stored in the hips/thighs/ass. In that sense, technically the average woman could still be packing some junk in her trunk and have a relatively flat stomach (e.g. J-Lo on her best day), not true for the average man who's subcutaneous abdominal fat is basically the last thing to go.

All that said, testosterone >> estrogen, if overall leanness is your obsession. So don't argue with your gf about this too much, odds are she will eventually get fat(ter?) just like 90% of all other women living the American dream and thus prove her point.
 

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I have a woman friend who body builds, she gets a 6 pack when her BF is at 12%, she considers herself"gifted" in this regard as other women have to get to 10%, my friend doesn't get her period during the competiting season as her BF is too low.