Lawrence Solomon: False hope for global unity

[marincounty]

No, I think this once PJ is correct. GWB and the Republicans have screwed up so bad that it will take years to undo the damage.
In the 60's, poor Africans living in shacks were proud to have a picture of JFK on the wall.
Now, they likely have a picture of GWB.......with a bullsyeye on it.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: marincounty
No, I think this once PJ is correct. GWB and the Republicans have screwed up so bad that it will take years to undo the damage.
In the 60's, poor Africans living in shacks were proud to have a picture of JFK on the wall.
Now, they likely have a picture of GWB.......with a bullsyeye on it.

GWB is considered one of the most African-friendly presidents ever. I hate the guy but give credit where it's due.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: marincounty
No, I think this once PJ is correct. GWB and the Republicans have screwed up so bad that it will take years to undo the damage.
In the 60's, poor Africans living in shacks were proud to have a picture of JFK on the wall.
Now, they likely have a picture of GWB.......with a bullsyeye on it.

GWB is considered one of the most African-friendly presidents ever. I hate the guy but give credit where it's due.

A lot of Africa is muslim now, do you really think they like GWB or Americans?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: marincounty
No, I think this once PJ is correct. GWB and the Republicans have screwed up so bad that it will take years to undo the damage.
In the 60's, poor Africans living in shacks were proud to have a picture of JFK on the wall.
Now, they likely have a picture of GWB.......with a bullsyeye on it.

GWB is considered one of the most African-friendly presidents ever. I hate the guy but give credit where it's due.

A lot of Africa is muslim now, do you really think they like GWB or Americans?

Maerica is a Christain nation and ost people don't think much of Bush or his apologists like PJ and Bitterbean either.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

I haven't traveled a lot, but I live in New Zealand and I can tell you that this is categorically untrue of anyone I know. I don't hate Americans and no one I have met has ever told me that they do. I don't care about tourist revenue, but I have the mental capacity to differentiate between the people of a country and that country's foreign policy.

Hate to say it, but I do know a fair number of Canadians who say "I hate Americans" and mean the people, not the government/policies. Most of them live/study in Quebec or are originally from overseas, though.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

I haven't traveled a lot, but I live in New Zealand and I can tell you that this is categorically untrue of anyone I know. I don't hate Americans and no one I have met has ever told me that they do. I don't care about tourist revenue, but I have the mental capacity to differentiate between the people of a country and that country's foreign policy.

Your anecdotal evidence basically means nothing, whether you had met people that told you they hated America or not. Your sample can't be more than a few dozen people.

The entire OP article is based on anecdotal evidence with handpicked quotes covering 200 years of history.

Oh no doubt, the OP is a notorious troll here.

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

I haven't traveled a lot, but I live in New Zealand and I can tell you that this is categorically untrue of anyone I know. I don't hate Americans and no one I have met has ever told me that they do. I don't care about tourist revenue, but I have the mental capacity to differentiate between the people of a country and that country's foreign policy.

Hate to say it, but I do know a fair number of Canadians who say "I hate Americans" and mean the people, not the government/policies. Most of them live/study in Quebec or are originally from overseas, though.

True. Bush is not popular here, and the American people are not popular here either. The Star-Spangled Banner gets booed every time it is played at the Bell Centre (Home of The Montreal Canadiens), your culture (fast-food, Coca-Cola, Microsoft) gets criticized everyday in our newspapers, your environmental record is making us clean Quebecers really frustrated and your arrogance, your "individualism", your "USA is the best country in the world", and your hate for French-culture are not helping your cause at all...

What is true in Quebec, is true also in Europe since Quebecers are basically Europeans (as well as being the heart and soul of Canada, but that's another story).

The only thing is, we won't say it straight to your face. We like it when you come spend a lot of money in our country.

 

[First]

^ Smart Americans don't hate French culture. Maybe they might hate the over-the-top socialistic tendencies, but by and large intelligent Americans don't hate France or Canada. Though honestly, Canada doesn't get enough respect from American media.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

True. Bush is not popular here, and the American people are not popular here either. The Star-Spangled Banner gets booed every time it is played at the Bell Centre (Home of The Montreal Canadiens), your culture (fast-food, Coca-Cola, Microsoft) gets criticized everyday in our newspapers, your environmental record is making us clean Quebecers really frustrated and your arrogance, your "individualism", your "USA is the best country in the world", and your hate for French-culture are not helping your cause at all...

What is true in Quebec, is true also in Europe since Quebecers are basically Europeans (as well as being the heart and soul of Canada, but that's another story).

The only thing is, we won't say it straight to your face. We like it when you come spend a lot of money in our country.

No, you guys really aren't Europeans. What the hell does a 'European' act like anyway? The people in England are totally different than those in France, who are totally different than those in Germany. Hell, people in Bavaria are way different than people in Berlin. You're making gross generalizations about huge numbers of people with no more backup than the fact you live in... of all places... Quebec.

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

True. Bush is not popular here, and the American people are not popular here either. The Star-Spangled Banner gets booed every time it is played at the Bell Centre (Home of The Montreal Canadiens), your culture (fast-food, Coca-Cola, Microsoft) gets criticized everyday in our newspapers, your environmental record is making us clean Quebecers really frustrated and your arrogance, your "individualism", your "USA is the best country in the world", and your hate for French-culture are not helping your cause at all...

What is true in Quebec, is true also in Europe since Quebecers are basically Europeans (as well as being the heart and soul of Canada, but that's another story).

The only thing is, we won't say it straight to your face. We like it when you come spend a lot of money in our country.

No, you guys really aren't Europeans. What the hell does a 'European' act like anyway? The people in England are totally different than those in France, who are totally different than those in Germany. Hell, people in Bavaria are way different than people in Berlin. You're making gross generalizations about huge numbers of people with no more backup than the fact you live in... of all places... Quebec.

Judging from the stats, as far as the US Foreign policy is concerned, a German lad will think exactly like an English lad. Sorry, mate... huh, checkmate.

We do not get enough respect from your media, heck, no country gets respect. I remember the "Freedom fried" instead of "French fries". That was funny, but oh so immature.

they might hate the over-the-top socialistic tendencies, but by and large intelligent Americans don't hate France or Canada.

French culture is nothing but over-the-top. Everything that is luxurious, refined, well-thought likely originated from France, Italy or UK. These are the starting points of the Western civilization after all...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Judging from the stats, as far as the US Foreign policy is concerned, a German lad will think exactly like an English lad. Sorry, mate... huh, checkmate.

We do not get enough respect from your media, heck, no country gets respect. I remember the "Freedom fried" instead of "French fries". That was funny, but oh so immature.

they might hate the over-the-top socialistic tendencies, but by and large intelligent Americans don't hate France or Canada.

French culture is nothing but over-the-top. Everything that is luxurious, refined, well-thought likely originated from France, Italy or UK. These are the starting points of the Western civilization after all...

You realize you just checkmated yourself, right? Your whole argument was that US foreign policy is irrelevant, they just hate Americans. Now you're talking about mutual dislike of US foreign policy as if it is relevant to your argument. Which is it? (note: it doesn't really matter, you can also find similar levels of dislike for US foreign policy in Africa, Asia, etc, and only a fool would try to make some sort of statement of cultural similarity based around that)

Sounds like you need to get out a little more and see the world.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Bad news for those who think Obama will cause the world to love America.

The first time Obama is forced to act in American self interest the world will go back to hating us.
...

This is the final straw. There's just too much bad news about obama. I'm not going to vote for him anymore. Thanks for leading me into the light ... of understated hate.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

I haven't traveled a lot, but I live in New Zealand and I can tell you that this is categorically untrue of anyone I know. I don't hate Americans and no one I have met has ever told me that they do. I don't care about tourist revenue, but I have the mental capacity to differentiate between the people of a country and that country's foreign policy.

Your anecdotal evidence basically means nothing, whether you had met people that told you they hated America or not. Your sample can't be more than a few dozen people.

This is a discussion forum, not a scientific journal. I'm sharing my opinion/experience for what it's worth. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Premise: Obama can't fix 8 years of Bush's mistakes overnight

Conclusion: vote for McCain instead, since he'll never even try.

Homer Simpson approves.

 

[manowar821]

I actually hope that Obama is just putting up a face for people like you ProfJohn. Maybe once he's president, he'll pull all our troops out of foreign countries, destroy the Federal Reserve, and restore the privacy and freedoms we once had.

Boy, would that would piss all the right people off, or what!

 

[cubby1223]

I'm waiting for the reaction to the first Wal*Mart popping up in Europe. :evil:

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I'm waiting for the reaction to the first Wal*Mart popping up in Europe. :evil:

You're like 10 years too late. It has already happened.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Don`t you just :Love the smell of republican desperation......

 

[Craig234]

Oh, look! "PJ Debater" has found an article saying what he likes, so he posted it, regardless of its merit.

Predictably, he begs the question right from the start, by framing the issue as 'anti-Americanism', rather than as, say, 'world opinion of the US', because 'anti-Americanism' loads the question with the image of ignorant, crazy hordes around the world who hate the US for know reason, and they're incurable, the question is simply how the US can protect itself.

'World opinion of the US' leaves the door open that they might have some right to their opinion, it might even have some validity, maybe there's something we should fix.

You won't find PJ dealing - based on the dozens or more threads discussing the issues where he has always ignored the points - with the US negative history that creates resentment.

So, it's just another fluffy PJ Debater thread for the purpose of FUD on Obama.

But, at least he's consistent in his long-stated position that the US should listen more to Europe when making our foreign policy decisions:

Worse, he believes, Obama is ?arrogantly? displaying a willingness to act unilaterally in talking to Iran without preconditions, ignoring the consensus forged by France, Germany and other members on the UN Security Council.

Yes, PJ Debater posting an article how the US is arrogent in its foreign policy for not following Europe enough. Beggars can't be choosers in finding right-wing articles lately.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

What? Quebec hates everyone, including the rest of Canada, so using them as "proof" that America is hated world-wide just won't fly.

 

[heyheybooboo]

I thought the rest of Canada voted to split Quebec in pieces and give it to Ontario, Newfoundland and New Brunswick.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I'm waiting for the reaction to the first Wal*Mart popping up in Europe. :evil:

You're like 10 years too late. It has already happened.

Wal-Mart made a big investment in Germany to compete, and lost.

I've always suspected 7-11 would do well.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

I haven't traveled a lot, but I live in New Zealand and I can tell you that this is categorically untrue of anyone I know. I don't hate Americans and no one I have met has ever told me that they do. I don't care about tourist revenue, but I have the mental capacity to differentiate between the people of a country and that country's foreign policy.

Hate to say it, but I do know a fair number of Canadians who say "I hate Americans" and mean the people, not the government/policies. Most of them live/study in Quebec or are originally from overseas, though.

True. Bush is not popular here, and the American people are not popular here either. The Star-Spangled Banner gets booed every time it is played at the Bell Centre (Home of The Montreal Canadiens), your culture (fast-food, Coca-Cola, Microsoft) gets criticized everyday in our newspapers, your environmental record is making us clean Quebecers really frustrated and your arrogance, your "individualism", your "USA is the best country in the world", and your hate for French-culture are not helping your cause at all...

What is true in Quebec, is true also in Europe since Quebecers are basically Europeans (as well as being the heart and soul of Canada, but that's another story).

The only thing is, we won't say it straight to your face. We like it when you come spend a lot of money in our country.

I think you took what I wrote as a compliment when I meant it as anything but. Funny thing is, you just perfectly demonstrated why Quebecers get no respect from anyone - you're all talk and no action. Vishnu knows the rest of Canada is well aware that all Quebecers will ever do is bitch about principles as long as they continue receiving more than their fair share of the nation's cash.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Bad news for those who think Obama will cause the world to love America.

The first time Obama is forced to act in American self interest the world will go back to hating us.

The above moment of pessimism was brough to you by the lying Bushwhacko sycophant who has continually pimped the criminal policies and actions of his Traitor In Chief and his lying criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers and Wall Street robber barons who have squandered thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars, shattered our economy and left our infrastructure in tatters and cost our nation the respect of the rest of the world for our once great nation.

Pessimistic jackasses like you who say we can't rebuild our nation and regain our ethical and moral bearings should STFU, stand back and let those who can turn things around do it.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What a crock of shit. I've been to more than 20 countries on every continent and people don't hate Americans, they hate our foreign policy.

No. They hate Americans. Come to Quebec and you'll see. Or to France. They say they like because it is proven that American tourists are the ones that spend the most on trips.

I haven't traveled a lot, but I live in New Zealand and I can tell you that this is categorically untrue of anyone I know. I don't hate Americans and no one I have met has ever told me that they do. I don't care about tourist revenue, but I have the mental capacity to differentiate between the people of a country and that country's foreign policy.

Your anecdotal evidence basically means nothing, whether you had met people that told you they hated America or not. Your sample can't be more than a few dozen people.

This is a discussion forum, not a scientific journal. I'm sharing my opinion/experience for what it's worth. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

You don't need to post by scientific journal standards to know your post was garbage.