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Lemondrop

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Part No: 0607-00177 Accessory Plug - 12 volt adapter for the E825 that can be used for cell phones, etc.

Wahoooo !!
Ill be able to plug in my Radar/Laser detector if I buy one of these :)
 

jasonja

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Hybrids are still too expensive to be viable. The Honda Insight costs $20k+.. and it's equiped with next to nothing and seats two. I similarly equiped Civic would cost about $13k+. That leaves a $7k difference.... $7k can buy A LOT of gas... Until that initial investment defecit remains that high it won't win over the mainstream.
 

after5cst

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Originally posted by: jasonja
Hybrids are still too expensive to be viable. The Honda Insight costs $20k+.. and it's equiped with next to nothing and seats two. I similarly equiped Civic would cost about $13k+. That leaves a $7k difference.... $7k can buy A LOT of gas... Until that initial investment defecit remains that high it won't win over the mainstream.

Absolutely right, unfortunately. I commute about 70-80 miles a day (round trip). My current car gets about 30 MPG. Assuming the Insight can sustain 70 MPG, that would mean I can cover the $7K price difference through gas savings in just under 12 years of operation. I'm not sure that I can believe that the Insight would run for 12 years without needing replacement.

Now, if gasoline prices skyrocket, then the Insight might become affordable. But even if they double in this area *tomorrow*, the payback to cover the extra initial expense would still be six years -- far too long.

I'd love to have a hybrid or fully electric car, but to date I've seen nothing that can even come close to cost-justifying its own existance, at least not here in central USA.
 

huesmann

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Originally posted by: Lemondrop
Part No: 0607-00177 Accessory Plug - 12 volt adapter for the E825 that can be used for cell phones, etc.

Wahoooo !!
Ill be able to plug in my Radar/Laser detector if I buy one of these :)

Watch out--it might go haywire with the EMPs this thing will be giving off (but I know what your point was)! :)
 

whodiswhodat

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They rent these things to tourist in Myrtle Beach.They look cool but man are they slow.Golf carts go faster than these things.
 

bash125

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The electric car is getting there. This is the first one I would actually consider but is out of my price range @ $70K

http://www.commutercars.com/intro.html

It is called the Tango 0-60 in 4 seconds! top speed 124 MPH. 80 miles on one charge. It is small but in a few years I am sure we will see bigger cars. You could beat a Viper or 911 in one of these things.

Keeps coming back to the price though.
 

VaG

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These all look like fairly nice coffins in the event of an accident.
 

HKS

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Originally posted by: puppyfriend
I like Hybrids, but don't discount electric. Remember the GM EV1 from years ago. They leased them at Saturn Dealerships. They went from 0-60 in about 7 seconds. That's fast. I still see a couple of guys commuting to work with these on the highway. The problem was that it was "leased" and it was way too expensive.

How are alternative cars going in the rest of the country? Here in San Francisco, Insights and Prius's are everywhere. I also see EV1s, the old Honda Electric Car ( I forget the Name ) and Ford Thinks. I wish I bought an Insight now, I got a WRX instead. I'm an evil carbon emitting polluter.


Only problem with electric cars is they actually cause more pollution in the creation and disposal cycles than normal gasoline cars... Those batteries aren't exactly friendly to the environment. Unfortunately (or forunately, depending on your outlook), most people in the US would never know this, since car companies would just make the batteries in Mexico so they wouldn't have to comply with EPA requirements.
 

lsman

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from carpoint:

"...It's expected that by sometime in 2003 consumers will find the first hybrid SUV in showrooms. Slated for that year, the Ford Escape HEV?for hybrid electric vehicle?has a four-cylinder gas engine and an electric motor under the hood.

DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler Group has had its own hybrid vehicle on the drawing board, slated to arrive in late calendar 2003 as a 2004 model. It's unclear whether it will be a Dodge Durango, smaller Jeep Liberty, a minivan or some other vehicle.

A hybrid Dodge Ram pickup also has been under study. The Ram hybrid could use both gas and diesel engines mated to an electric motor.

Meanwhile, General Motors Corp. plans to offer a hybrid version of its full-size trucks, the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra, in 2004. Other hybrid vehicles are planned, too.

And Toyota, which launched the gas-electric hybrid wave for consumers worldwide when the Prius went on sale in Japan in 1997, is looking to add a gas-electric SUV to its U.S. lineup. Officials have said that, over time, Toyota plans to offer hybrids in many, if not most, of its models.
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Hybrids also can maintain or, in some cases, improve performance over a comparable vehicle with an internal combustion engine only.

Officials at DaimlerChrysler said the hybrid Durango and Liberty have been shown to achieve up to 30 percent better fuel economy?22.3 miles per gallon combined city/highway driving for the Durango HEV compared with 17.1 miles per gallon for a comparable conventional V8 Durango.

Yet the hybrid Durango's power, acceleration and performance are similar to that of a V8 Durango. In fact, in testing the hybrid has a quicker 0-to-60-mph time than does a Durango with 5.9-liter V8.

The reason? Electric motors can provide immediate torque as a vehicle begins to move, while an internal combustion engine has a torque curve that requires a certain rpm level to be reached before high torque is achieved.

Ford said its four-cylinder Escape SUV hybrid delivers nearly 40 mpg in city driving, can travel more than 500 miles on a single tank of gasoline, and yet delivers acceleration akin to that of an Escape with a V6.

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hope they come.
 

knightc2

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This would be great for an senior living subdivision/complex. I could just see Morty Seinfeld cruising around in this baby on his way to a bingo game.;)
 

jamautosound

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This Corbin Motors Merlin Roadster looks badass, compared to that trex, IMHO.

...and a $23,900 selling price. If I owned a motorcycle (technically), this would definately be it.