Latest polls... Obama takes lead in Virginia and N. Carolina

[retrospooty]

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

Wow... I cant wait to see this by the end of the week. Its getting fun =)

 

[StageLeft]

I think it was clear that Obama was going to beat McCain for quite some time now. We see polls go up and down over time to large degrees but I maintain what I think is a fairly easy prediction about Obama's victory on the 4th.

 

[OrByte]

The trends in the polls are striking.

and to see states like VA and NC in the mix... its pretty cool.

Blame the yanks, they've been migrating down to VA and NC for years now and its turning those states blue.

 

[Pepsei]

as a liberal , i think it is still too early to call it. the dems should not stop until they crush the enemy! see them driven! to hear the lamentation of the woman..etc etc

 

[retrospooty]

Agreed Skoorb... but its fun to watch the die hard conservatives squirm... I dont think McCain is so bad (he's not George Dubbya) but its still fun.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
as a liberal , i think it is still too early to call it. the dems should not stop until they crush the enemy! see them driven! to hear the lamentation of the woman..etc etc

True... If falling behing (which he is) in the last 2 weeks before the election - McCain will spam the airwaves in all swing states with the dirtyest nasty tricks in the book. It will generate fear... thats what the reps do.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Agreed Skoorb... but its fun to watch the die hard conservatives squirm... I dont think McCain is so bad (he's not George Dubbya) but its still fun.

:thumbsup:

I agree. Although I actually very much liked John McCain before he threw all of this principles away for this election (and even then I can't really fault him too much - it is politics after all) he needs to be destroyed so badly and crushed so low to the ground in this election that we the American people don't see him for quite some time.

 

[aircooled]

I live in NC and I'm surprised to see us blue.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
as a liberal , i think it is still too early to call it. the dems should not stop until they crush the enemy! see them driven! to hear the lamentation of the woman..etc etc

:thumbsup:

The Republicans laughed at what pvssies the democrats were during 2004 (well having Kerry as the presidential hopeful didn't help), but I have noticed this year the Democrats are being a lot more forceful than 2004. Keep it up and they may just win this.

 

[Stoneburner]

VA and NC are, for demographic reasons, easier flips than Ohio or Florida.

I hate to repeat myself in every thread, but all I'm hoping for is ANY victory. VA alone should lock up an Obama win (as long as Colorado stays where it is) I dont see Obama losing both PA and MI so va plus nc should provide a nice buffer.

He has a very wide playing field. TIme to donate more monies...

 

[nageov3t]

not a huge surprise, I'm not sure if McCain/Palin could have had a worse week.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: loki8481
not a huge surprise, I'm not sure if McCain/Palin could have had a worse week.

They said that about the week prior to last week too

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: loki8481
not a huge surprise, I'm not sure if McCain/Palin could have had a worse week.

Wait til Thursday.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: loki8481
not a huge surprise, I'm not sure if McCain/Palin could have had a worse week.

Wait til Thursday.

with expectations this low, Palin will be hailed as the second coming of Kennedy if she makes it across the stage without tripping.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Agreed Skoorb... but its fun to watch the die hard conservatives squirm... I dont think McCain is so bad (he's not George Dubbya) but its still fun.

:thumbsup:

I agree. Although I actually very much liked John McCain before he threw all of this principles away for this election (and even then I can't really fault him too much - it is politics after all) he needs to be destroyed so badly and crushed so low to the ground in this election that we the American people don't see him for quite some time.

That would be real great so then the republicans will put a ultra righty next time. If they put up a moderate and get crushed they will turn 180 and put someone up who makes Palin look liberal.

This election was over once the wallstreet crisis hit the news. The MSM framed it perfectly for Obama putting all the blame on McCain. The public has fallen for it hence Obama winning by 25-35 points come nov 4th.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Agreed Skoorb... but its fun to watch the die hard conservatives squirm... I dont think McCain is so bad (he's not George Dubbya) but its still fun.

:thumbsup:

I agree. Although I actually very much liked John McCain before he threw all of this principles away for this election (and even then I can't really fault him too much - it is politics after all) he needs to be destroyed so badly and crushed so low to the ground in this election that we the American people don't see him for quite some time.

That would be real great so then the republicans will put a ultra righty next time. If they put up a moderate and get crushed they will turn 180 and put someone up who makes Palin look liberal.

This election was over once the wallstreet crisis hit the news. The MSM framed it perfectly for Obama putting all the blame on McCain. The public has fallen for it hence Obama winning by 25-35 points come nov 4th.

Obama won't win by anywhere close to that margin. If he wins by 5 points or more I will be shocked. I do agree that it's quite likely Obama will win the election, but it's always been that way. I'm not sure where you're getting the crazy idea that Obama is suddenly going to bury McCain by 30 points, but it simply won't happen.

I also doubt that this loss will motivate them to nominate an ultra right wing candidate next time. (of course lots can happen in 4 years) The only thing that has kept this election even moderately close is McCain's perceived moderation. A hard core ultra right winger would have been slaughtered.

Finally, your blame on the media is ridiculous. This crisis is generally viewed as being a mixture of many elements for which both parties share blame, but a very large part of it is due to failed deregulation. This sucks for McCain because he's spent 26 years fighting for less regulation. It doesn't make his policies suddenly bad, but it does make it very difficult for someone to credibly frame themselves as the champion of regulation after that. His career framed him poorly for this issue, not the media.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Agreed Skoorb... but its fun to watch the die hard conservatives squirm... I dont think McCain is so bad (he's not George Dubbya) but its still fun.

:thumbsup:

I agree. Although I actually very much liked John McCain before he threw all of this principles away for this election (and even then I can't really fault him too much - it is politics after all) he needs to be destroyed so badly and crushed so low to the ground in this election that we the American people don't see him for quite some time.

That would be real great so then the republicans will put a ultra righty next time. If they put up a moderate and get crushed they will turn 180 and put someone up who makes Palin look liberal.

This election was over once the wallstreet crisis hit the news. The MSM framed it perfectly for Obama putting all the blame on McCain. The public has fallen for it hence Obama winning by 25-35 points come nov 4th.

Obama won't win by anywhere close to that margin. If he wins by 5 points or more I will be shocked. I do agree that it's quite likely Obama will win the election, but it's always been that way. I'm not sure where you're getting the crazy idea that Obama is suddenly going to bury McCain by 30 points, but it simply won't happen.

I also doubt that this loss will motivate them to nominate an ultra right wing candidate next time. (of course lots can happen in 4 years) The only thing that has kept this election even moderately close is McCain's perceived moderation. A hard core ultra right winger would have been slaughtered.

Finally, your blame on the media is ridiculous. This crisis is generally viewed as being a mixture of many elements for which both parties share blame, but a very large part of it is due to failed deregulation. This sucks for McCain because he's spent 26 years fighting for less regulation. It doesn't make his policies suddenly bad, but it does make it very difficult for someone to credibly frame themselves as the champion of regulation after that. His career framed him poorly for this issue, not the media.

I might believe you if the MSM treated it fair. I have not seen 1 time during the MSM coverage of McCain predicting this crisis and trying to get a bill passed to stop it 3 years ago. I have not seen any MSM coverage that gives any of the blame on the democrats the blame is always falls on McCain. Hell the MSM is even covering that scum barney franks ass so it does not reflect on bad Obama.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: quest55720

I might believe you if the MSM treated it fair. I have not seen 1 time during the MSM coverage of McCain predicting this crisis and trying to get a bill passed to stop it 3 years ago. I have not seen any MSM coverage that gives any of the blame on the democrats the blame is always falls on McCain. Hell the MSM is even covering that scum barney franks ass so it does not reflect on bad Obama.

Dismissing the election outcome will not help McCains cause. And it will not minimize the frustration and anger that McCain's supporters will feel come Nov 5th or whenever Obama is announced the winner. Dismissing the trend in support for Obama will not change reality in any way. It will be a slow march towards Nov 4th for McCain supporters.

Blaming the media. A tried and true scapegoat. Has never really helped a candidate.

If the media was such trouble you would NEVER have seen GWB re-elected.

Fact of the matter is. Palin's ineptitude is a game changer. McCain cannot separate himself from GWB. These two things cannot be ignored.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I drove my normal route in rural NC today and while there were the expected Dole and other Republican signs, I saw not one McCain/Palin sign. In fact I went by two houses that I know had them previously but don't any more.

 

[SP33Demon]

In Northern VA the sentiment is still definitely in Obama's favor. Saw a McCain bumper sticker the other day, and it made me pause since seeing that is analogous to seeing an albino walking down the street.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: loki8481
not a huge surprise, I'm not sure if McCain/Palin could have had a worse week.

Wait til Thursday.

with expectations this low, Palin will be hailed as the second coming of Kennedy if she makes it across the stage without tripping.

Lol seriously.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Agreed Skoorb... but its fun to watch the die hard conservatives squirm... I dont think McCain is so bad (he's not George Dubbya) but its still fun.

:thumbsup:

I agree. Although I actually very much liked John McCain before he threw all of this principles away for this election (and even then I can't really fault him too much - it is politics after all) he needs to be destroyed so badly and crushed so low to the ground in this election that we the American people don't see him for quite some time.

That would be real great so then the republicans will put a ultra righty next time. If they put up a moderate and get crushed they will turn 180 and put someone up who makes Palin look liberal.

This election was over once the wallstreet crisis hit the news. The MSM framed it perfectly for Obama putting all the blame on McCain. The public has fallen for it hence Obama winning by 25-35 points come nov 4th.

Obama won't win by anywhere close to that margin. If he wins by 5 points or more I will be shocked. I do agree that it's quite likely Obama will win the election, but it's always been that way. I'm not sure where you're getting the crazy idea that Obama is suddenly going to bury McCain by 30 points, but it simply won't happen.

I also doubt that this loss will motivate them to nominate an ultra right wing candidate next time. (of course lots can happen in 4 years) The only thing that has kept this election even moderately close is McCain's perceived moderation. A hard core ultra right winger would have been slaughtered.

Finally, your blame on the media is ridiculous. This crisis is generally viewed as being a mixture of many elements for which both parties share blame, but a very large part of it is due to failed deregulation. This sucks for McCain because he's spent 26 years fighting for less regulation. It doesn't make his policies suddenly bad, but it does make it very difficult for someone to credibly frame themselves as the champion of regulation after that. His career framed him poorly for this issue, not the media.

I might believe you if the MSM treated it fair. I have not seen 1 time during the MSM coverage of McCain predicting this crisis and trying to get a bill passed to stop it 3 years ago. I have not seen any MSM coverage that gives any of the blame on the democrats the blame is always falls on McCain. Hell the MSM is even covering that scum barney franks ass so it does not reflect on bad Obama.

You don't even see McCain talking about that shit Bill :laugh:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: loki8481
not a huge surprise, I'm not sure if McCain/Palin could have had a worse week.

Wait til Thursday.

with expectations this low, Palin will be hailed as the second coming of Kennedy if she makes it across the stage without tripping.

:laugh:

OMG I laughed, I cried...

 

[Stoneburner]

PPP also just showed NC up 2 points for Obama...


Goddamn what a remarkable turnaround. However, I still don't see obama winning NC and losing MI or PA.

 

[retrospooty]

Fact of the matter is. Palin's ineptitude is a game changer. McCain cannot separate himself from GWB. These two things cannot be ignored.

That is all true, but this weeks blunders are 100%John McCain

Last Monday - Economy is fundamantally strong comment
Last Thursday - I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
Last Friday - Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
Weekend - hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
Moday - OOOPS! well... Its Obama's fault.

He really looks inept. After last week, I wouldnt trust this man to manage a produce dept in a grocery store much less the most powerful nation on earth.