Latest Conspiracy Theory -- Kerry Won -- Hits the Ether

[alchemize]

Now I know that the Washington Post is practically fox news, and is nowhere near the level of authority as The Yurica Report! or informationclearinghouse...but read on anyhow.


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Latest Conspiracy Theory -- Kerry Won -- Hits the Ether

By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Dan Keating
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, November 11, 2004; Page A02


MIAMI, Nov. 10 -- The e-mail subject lines couldn't be any bigger and bolder: "Another Stolen Election," "Presidential election was hacked," "Ohio Fraud."

Even as Sen. John F. Kerry's campaign is steadfastly refusing to challenge the results of the presidential election, the bloggers and the mortally wounded party loyalists and the spreadsheet-wielding conspiracy theorists are filling the Internet with head-turning allegations. There is the one about more ballots cast than registered voters in the big Ohio county anchored by Cleveland. There are claims that a suspicious number of Florida counties ended up with Bush vote totals that were far larger than the number of registered Republican voters. And then there is the one that might be the most popular of all: the exit polls that showed Kerry winning big weren't wrong -- they were right.

Each of the claims is buoyed by enough statistics and analysis to sound plausible. In some instances, the theories are coming from respected sources -- college engineering professors fascinated by voting technology, Internet journalists, election reform activists. Ultimately, none of the most popular theories holds up to close scrutiny. And the people who most stand to benefit from the conspiracy theories -- the Kerry campaign and the Democratic National Committee -- are not biting.

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[conjur]

Do you deny there are various types of problems in Ohio and Florida that have cast doubt upon the margin of victory and cast doubts upon the integrity of our election process?

 

[Darkhawk28]

He's picking and choosing articles.

There are Congressional investigations underway, but I guess an "Alchemize" article trumps Congress.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
He's picking and choosing articles.

There are Congressional investigations underway, but I guess an "Alchemize" article trumps Congress.

Yeah, the House Judiciary Committee and the GAO are just commie-lib groups.

 

[b0mbrman]

Keith Olberman of MSNBC is very vehement in his claims of voter fraud. He's sad that the rest of the MSM isn't saying anything about it

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Keith Olberman of MSNBC is very vehement in his claims of voter fraud. He's sad that the rest of the MSM isn't saying anything about it

He's not calling it voter fraud. Keith is investigating the problems with voting systems and the situation in Ohio where that one county locked themselves in claiming DHS and the FBI said a terror alert of 10 on a scale of 1-10 was relayed to them. However, neither DHS nor the FBI ever said such a thing.


Hmmm....

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur
Do you deny there are various types of problems in Ohio and Florida that have cast doubt upon the margin of victory and cast doubts upon the integrity of our election process?

I don't doubt that, but I do doubt that the majority of these "problems" are the direct result of exploitation and fraud by some high-level GOP conspiracy. By some local politics, maybe, but not from The Top. And I'm willing to wager than any fraud was relatively evenly-distributed among the parties. But then again, I didn't vote for Kerry, so I should probably just go back to grazing and bleating, I suppose.

 

[glugglug]

Most of the mainstream news is forbidden to give the real news that this stuff has serious credence, they are only ALLOWED to pick at a few red herrings to debunk.

At least Olbermann on MSNBC (is MSNBC too tabloid for you?) says he didn't get the memo on that.

 

[DealMonkey]

Hey Al, I got a spreadsheet you should look at. 😉

 

[PatboyX]

who has ether?!
where?!
gimme!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
Do you deny there are various types of problems in Ohio and Florida that have cast doubt upon the margin of victory and cast doubts upon the integrity of our election process?

Yes, I am denying that. As does the article.

In fact, if the role was reversed, I'd be posting the same article. While you'd be off disputing all the "Kerry stole the election" threads.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur
Do you deny there are various types of problems in Ohio and Florida that have cast doubt upon the margin of victory and cast doubts upon the integrity of our election process?

I don't doubt that, but I do doubt that the majority of these "problems" are the direct result of exploitation and fraud by some high-level GOP conspiracy. By some local politics, maybe, but not from The Top. And I'm willing to wager than any fraud was relatively evenly-distributed among the parties. But then again, I didn't vote for Kerry, so I should probably just go back to grazing and bleating, I suppose.

You could be right but, imo, if there was a concerted effort to commit fraud, it would have been directed by someone higher up. I don't think the little people would have tried to do it without proper direction and information.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Do you deny there are various types of problems in Ohio and Florida that have cast doubt upon the margin of victory and cast doubts upon the integrity of our election process?

Yes, I am denying that. As does the article.

In fact, if the role was reversed, I'd be posting the same article. While you'd be off disputing all the "Kerry stole the election" threads.

Ok, just making sure you're still your delusional self.

 

[Darkhawk28]

If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

If the Democratic party wants to pay, I'm all for it. Recount away.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Most of the mainstream news is forbidden to give the real news that this stuff has serious credence, they are only ALLOWED to pick at a few red herrings to debunk.

At least Olbermann on MSNBC (is MSNBC too tabloid for you?) says he didn't get the memo on that.

So true.

Also, it was only GOP guys that were doing the fraud

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

Knock yourself out. But really, you only need to recount 2 states right? Ohio and Florida? but if you want all 50, go right ahead. In fact, I encourage it. I think we could surely predict more senate seats lost in 2006, and a blowout again in 2008. Moderate america doesn't like sore losers.

I personally think you would be better served by pushing federal reform for voting standards. But spin your wheels, it will be fun to watch.

All your grand predictions are fizzling, any possible momentum to pursue this has been lost, and shortly you'll fall into the scrapheap of tinfoil where you belong. Even Dave is staying away from this one (I think).

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

Knock yourself out. But really, you only need to recount 2 states right? Ohio and Florida? but if you want all 50, go right ahead. In fact, I encourage it. I think we could surely predict more senate seats lost in 2006, and a blowout again in 2008. Moderate america doesn't like sore losers.

I personally think you would be better served by pushing federal reform for voting standards. But spin your wheels, it will be fun to watch.

All your grand predictions are fizzling, any possible momentum to pursue this has been lost, and shortly you'll fall into the scrapheap of tinfoil where you belong. Even Dave is staying away from this one (I think).

All I'm saying that for someone that thinks this is all junk, you're certainly expending a ton of energy to debunk it.

 

[Budarow]

If the repubs cheated via electronic voting machines (and this is a distinct possibility), they have undoubtedly "covered their tracks" enough to make proving it impossible. After all...they are the party with the most money/power/influence and they have a tight hold of controll of the nation to include Florida and Ohio.

In any event...the fact that voter fraud is possible is the main concern here (and not who won the election). ONLY THE VOTERS SHOULD DECIDE WHO LEADS THE NATION BY MEANS OF A FAIR AND EQUAL VOTE.

So, everything needs to be done over the next 2-4 years to PREVENT any possible fraud for 2006 and 2008. If the fraud theories end up doing nothing but getting needed changes to the voting system to ensure the next election is fair...they've done the nation the greatest service possible.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

All I'm saying that for someone that thinks this is all junk, you're certainly expending a ton of energy to debunk it.

*shrug*. Low enough energy for you?

 

[Tarpon6]

I don't see those parties paying for recounts. They can if they wish, but they aren't. Where are the recounts? Most state law says if you lost by more than 1% and want a recount you can pay for it. Why isn't it happening? Where are the Green/Reform/Democrat funded recounts? Where where where? I want them. If they're paying for it lets get it on!

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Tarpon6
I don't see those parties paying for recounts. They can if they wish, but they aren't. Where are the recounts? Most state law says if you lost by more than 1% and want a recount you can pay for it. Why isn't it happening? Where are the Green/Reform/Democrat funded recounts? Where where where? I want them. If they're paying for it lets get it on!

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

How's this for a start?

Cobb demanding a recount of Ohio....

Oh, and btw, even if they can't raise the $113,000 themselves, there are PLENTY of groups out there that will donate the money to them.

 

[DashRiprock]

Give it a rest...

Bush leads Ohio by 136,000 votes

With Bush leading the Democratic presidential nominee Kerry by more than 136,000 votes in the pivotal state in unofficial returns, it would be practically impossible for provisional ballots to change the outcome.
But Kerry?s lawyers say they want to identify any voting problems and put to rest any doubts about the legitimacy of the Ohio vote. To do that they?ll ask election officials about the number of absentee and provisional ballots and if there were any reports of equipment malfunctions.

In 2000, about 107,000 of the 123,518 provisional ballots were deemed valid, or about 87 percent. If that percentage holds for the 2004 election, Kerry wouldn?t win even if every single provisional ballot were somehow cast for him.

Spokesman Dan Trevas said the Ohio Democratic Party will monitor the process but so far hasn?t heard of any major problems. He would not say if he believes the provisional vote count could change the election?s outcome.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: DashRiprock
Give it a rest...

Bush leads Ohio by 136,000 votes

With Bush leading the Democratic presidential nominee Kerry by more than 136,000 votes in the pivotal state in unofficial returns, it would be practically impossible for provisional ballots to change the outcome.
But Kerry?s lawyers say they want to identify any voting problems and put to rest any doubts about the legitimacy of the Ohio vote. To do that they?ll ask election officials about the number of absentee and provisional ballots and if there were any reports of equipment malfunctions.

In 2000, about 107,000 of the 123,518 provisional ballots were deemed valid, or about 87 percent. If that percentage holds for the 2004 election, Kerry wouldn?t win even if every single provisional ballot were somehow cast for him.

Spokesman Dan Trevas said the Ohio Democratic Party will monitor the process but so far hasn?t heard of any major problems. He would not say if he believes the provisional vote count could change the election?s outcome.

What are the 90,000+ "spoiled" ballots?

 

[Tarpon6]

BRING IT ON! :clock:

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Tarpon6
I don't see those parties paying for recounts. They can if they wish, but they aren't. Where are the recounts? Most state law says if you lost by more than 1% and want a recount you can pay for it. Why isn't it happening? Where are the Green/Reform/Democrat funded recounts? Where where where? I want them. If they're paying for it lets get it on!

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If all you guys were sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that Bush won the election fair and square, then a 50-state recount should be no problem, right?

Don't say it's about the money, because it would be the Green/Reform/Dem party paying for them.

How's this for a start?

Cobb demanding a recount of Ohio....

Oh, and btw, even if they can't raise the $113,000 themselves, there are PLENTY of groups out there that will donate the money to them.