Last generation of DX9 cards?

[Cookie Monster]

So is Crysis based on S.M 3.0 or S.M 4.0?

 

[imported_Truenofan]

"Me? . . . i will be getting the 2nd generation of DX10 cards . . .
. . . the first generation - possibly available before this Xmas - won't be able to play the new DX10 games when they are released in about 3 years. "

i agree with the first sentence. but in reference to the last half of the second one, no hardware is able to play any games or even keep up after two years or so. or at least run it with all the eye candy on.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
So is Crysis based on S.M 3.0 or S.M 4.0?

on DX9 . . . SM3.0

Originally posted by: Truenofan
"Me? . . . i will be getting the 2nd generation of DX10 cards . . .
. . . the first generation - possibly available before this Xmas - won't be able to play the new DX10 games when they are released in about 3 years. "

i agree with the first sentence. but in reference to the last half of the second one, no hardware is able to play any games or even keep up after two years or so. or at least run it with all the eye candy on.

the second part was my point.
people are excited about getting DX10 cards - NOW - in the hopes of playing DX10 games. HOWEVER, if you get the 1st Gen of DX10 cards you will NOT be able to play the first gen of FULL DX10 games in '08 or '09 when they are finally released.

It'd be like getting a 9700p in Fall '02 and playing Far Cry with SM3.0 enabled - in '05.

 

[imported_RedStar]

not fully "dx10"? the r600 sure as hay looks to be fully "dx10" capable. Not that either of us can say with absolute certainty.

So instead of buying a 1st gen card..you will buy a dx9 card instead. That makes a whole lotta sense. All of this depends on each user and what current card they have.

The article you linked did indeed sum it up best ...underlining the word support is not gonna change that unless you really ment to take it out of context and forget the meaning of that full sentence.

We won't have to wait 2 years to revist this thread

edit: and here is a good summary of ut 2007's engine and "DX 10" support:

"Jacob- This isn't really a UT2007 question this is more a UE3 question; Do you guys have any plans to add DX10 features to UE3?

Sweeney- Oh yea absolutely, we will have full support for DX10, we will use their geometry shader stuff to accelerate shadow generation and other techniques in the engine, we will be using virtual texturing. With both UT2K7 and Gears of War we are offering our textures at extremely high resolution like 2000x2000 resolution which is a higher resolution than you can effectively use on a console because of the limited memory, but it is something that certainly will be appropriate for PC's with virtualized texturing in the future, so we will whole-heartedly be supporting DX10. It?s hard to say what the timeframe will be on that because Vista could ship this year, or next year, or whatever. But, we will certainly be supporting it really well when it comes along."

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
not fully "dx10"? the r600 sure as hay looks to be fully "dx10" capable. Not that either of us can say with absolute certainty.

the game, Crysis - not the GPU. We CAN say with certainty that r600/g80 will be fully DX10 HW and Crysis will be fully DX9c with some optimizations for DX10.

So instead of buying a 1st gen card..you will buy a dx9 card instead. That makes a whole lotta sense. All of this depends on each user and what current card they have.

no . . . my rig is AGP . . . my LAST card is an x850xt . . . i will do the complete makeover next year with the next generation of DX10 HW. i will 'make do' until then . . . probably just have to drop to 10x7 and lose some detail and AA.

The article you linked did indeed sum it up best ...underlining the word support is not gonna change that unless you really ment to take it out of context and forget the meaning of that full sentence.

you are taking it out of context or simply dont understand what they are saying:
Crysis will be a DX9c game - and most of their energy will focus on DX9 - supporting their current fan base. They promise that - as their DX10 base grows they will devote more time to it and add it in piecemeal - in patches.

We won't have to wait 2 years to revist this thread

edit: and here is a good summary of ut 2007's engine and "DX 10" support:

"Jacob- This isn't really a UT2007 question this is more a UE3 question; Do you guys have any plans to add DX10 features to UE3?

Sweeney- Oh yea absolutely, we will have full support for DX10, we will use their geometry shader stuff to accelerate shadow generation and other techniques in the engine, we will be using virtual texturing. With both UT2K7 and Gears of War we are offering our textures at extremely high resolution like 2000x2000 resolution which is a higher resolution than you can effectively use on a console because of the limited memory, but it is something that certainly will be appropriate for PC's with virtualized texturing in the future, so we will whole-heartedly be supporting DX10. It?s hard to say what the timeframe will be on that because Vista could ship this year, or next year, or whatever. But, we will certainly be supporting it really well when it comes along."

ALL they offer out of the box for DX10 people is accelerated shadow generation and virtual texturing . . . it will run a little faster and be capable of better textures and resolution. Like the Crysis devs, these guys are gonna ship a DX9c game - with a little DX10 "bone" for you.
:roll:



None of these games will even resemble the 'full DX10' games of '09 . . . they are just starting them now.


edited

 

[apoppin]

just checking back in . . .

anyone else still hold the fantasy of Crysis --or UE3 - being a full DX10 game?

here IS some interesting info on Crysis' Gameplay:

Crysis Gameplay

Here are some of the dynamics which will make Crysis so good...


* Natural Events & Disasters: Crytek is pushing hard to make the crysis world more believable than any other game. The world will act and react like the world should with things like dynamic weather, temperature and disasters. What does "disasters" mean you may ask, well things like earthquakes and tornadoes. This should make things very interesting and should make crysis even more unique as a game.

* Dynamic Day & Night: In all games up until now, the game would always wait for you before it progressed in time. In Crysis, the game continues on regardless of how long you are taking. So, if aliens are attacking and you're not helping anyone, the situation is going to get worse and worse. But the great thing is, the game won't force you to do anything, you can do it all at your own pace but you may suffer the consequences.

* Interactive and Destructible Environments: This probably has the biggest effect on game play. It's certainly the most unique feature to Crysis. Your actions and how you fight will directly effect the environment in either a positive or negative way. If you're playing online for example, and you find a good camping spot behind a tree. The next time you join a server, someone may have blown that tree up so now you will instantly have to change your tactics to adapt to the dynamic and ever changing environment. But then again, Crytek plain to implement a random map generation system so every single map is randomly generated on the fly.

* Weapon Modifications: Talk about tactical. You'll be able to customize your weapon totally. You will have the ability to add and remove attachments such as scopes, lasers, flashlights and microphones while also having the ability to adjust what method of attack you wish to use. You may change your ammunition to a tranquilizer for a softer approach, or use explosive bullets for more destructive tactics. The combinations are almost endless.

* Nano-Muscular Suit Modification: The year is 2020, of course there has to be some hi-tech suit. Your suit can perform many things, as long as it has the power to do so. In different situations you will require different player attributes. If you want to take the fast and agile approach, you would set your suit to speed for example, but as a consequence, you will not only lose power from your suit, but you will decrease your other attributes. So it's extremely important to adjust your suit perfectly to match your tactics and the situation.

* Dynamic Story : Although the story will travel along the same path for everyone. Your actions will still effect different parts of the story with a negative or positive impact. Crysis has what the CEO of Crytek likes to call a multithreaded storyline. This means every major character has a storyline of their own, this includes your squad mates. If you let a squad mate die for example, it may make your future a little tougher, or you may have to find an alternative to a certain task.

Another thing about the story is this. There are no cut scenes, nor is there anyone telling you what to do (not directly or constantly anyway). The story will unfold around you, its your job to find out what's going on.. . .

 

[imported_RedStar]

indeed crysis is gonna rock..and indeed it is a dx10 game

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
indeed crysis is gonna rock..and indeed it is a dx10 game

of course . . .

just as long as you understand it is not a "full dx10 game" and will ONLY use a few DX10 "features".

in a couple of years it may be patched to actually "resemble" the full DX10 games that will be coming out in about 3 years . . . of course - by then - i will also have my own DX10 card- when it is actually needed for games.

 

[imported_RedStar]

so we come to the "needed" vs desire aspect of most debates about future usefulness.

Like dx9, you may not "need" the card for a few years after release. But, you may well desire the added bonus long before that

It all comes down to the individual and their level of compromise.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
so we come to the "needed" vs desire aspect of most debates about future usefulness.

Like dx9, you may not "need" the card for a few years after release. But, you may well desire the added bonus long before that

It all comes down to the individual and their level of compromise.

i guess you are finally 'catching on' about the new games and their limited DX10 features . . .

ok . . . not bad, that's a 'start'


so now it's "compromise"?!? . . .
:Q

i guess everything is compromise - according to your way of thinking . . . So, if you buy the very latest HW today, it will be 'compromise' if you don't upgrade when the next refresh of the product is out.

my credit card company just gave me a +$2,000 credit increase yesterday [after i got a competing card the day before and transferred some of the balance]. . . i am just not rushing to max it out as i am still enjoying my gaming experience on my current system.
:thumbsup:

a complete *makeover* - including Monitor - is due for next year.

until then i am pleased to "compromise"

 

[imported_RedStar]

heh, you are the one that had to retreat with the qualifier --full--

you are the one that proposes a "full" (lol) dx 10 game can't exist for 2 years..and thus we must compromise by not getting a dx 10 card for 2 years (and forgo all the interim benefits so we can pout) ... Seems to me your way of thinking is the flawed approach.

so by all means you can stick with your uncompromising 850 for 2 more years

edit: to put an end to this, let us put your money where your text is...

Agree to not buy a "dx10" video card for 2 years or pay me 2000$. Also, if 1st gen "dx10"
cards can play "full" DX10 games then pay me another 2000$ .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
heh, you are the one that had to retreat with the qualifier --full--

you are the one that proposes a "full" (lol) dx 10 game can't exist for 2 years..and thus we must compromise by not getting a dx 10 card for 2 years (and forgo all the interim benefits so we can pout) ... Seems to me your way of thinking is the flawed approach.

so by all means you can stick with your uncompromising 850 for 2 more years

edit: to put an end to this, let us put your money where your text is...

Agree to not buy a "dx10" video card for 2 years or pay me 2000$. Also, if 1st gen "dx10"
cards can play "full" DX10 games then pay me another 2000$ .

and you're the one with the reading problem

i suggested NONE of the things you are accusing me of.
:shocked:



i have consistently use the words "full" and "built-from-the-ground-up" to describe what Crysis is not.

and why would i take your ridiculous bet with unreasonable restrictions on myself and nothing to gain whatsoever from 'winning'?
:thumbsdown:

i ALREADY told you i am buiding a new rig with a 2nd generation DX10 card - NEXT year.

my "approach" may not be reasonable to you but at least it is not incomprehensible to most posters here.

perhaps you can work on your own reading comprehension

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RedStar
heh, you are the one that had to retreat with the qualifier --full--

you are the one that proposes a "full" (lol) dx 10 game can't exist for 2 years..and thus we must compromise by not getting a dx 10 card for 2 years (and forgo all the interim benefits so we can pout) ... Seems to me your way of thinking is the flawed approach.

so by all means you can stick with your uncompromising 850 for 2 more years

edit: to put an end to this, let us put your money where your text is...

Agree to not buy a "dx10" video card for 2 years or pay me 2000$. Also, if 1st gen "dx10"
cards can play "full" DX10 games then pay me another 2000$ .

and you're the one with the reading problem

i suggested NONE of the things you are accusing me of.
:shocked:



i have consistently use the words "full" and "built-from-the-ground-up" to describe what Crysis is not.

and why would i take your ridiculous bet with unreasonable restrictions on myself and nothing to gain whatsoever from 'winning'?
:thumbsdown:

i ALREADY told you i am buiding a new rig with a 2nd generation DX10 card - NEXT year.

my "approach" may not be reasonable to you but at least it is not incomprehensible to most posters here.

perhaps you can work on your own reading comprehension

it hardly matter.
games will carry a dx-9 code path for a long long time (3 years min). by them maybe vista's bloat will be a bit easier to swallow and the good dx-10 cards will be out. remember even the fx-5xxx series is dx-9. but its done so bad its better to run it in dx-8 mode. same could happen to g80 or r600

 

[imported_RedStar]

lol, gee why would you buy a dx10 card next year when you say there will not be any games worthwhile for at least 2.

nuff said. case closed

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
lol, gee why would you buy a dx10 card next year when you say there will not be any games worthwhile for at least 2.

nuff said. case closed

you really are slow to figure it out

why?

because next year when i upgrade there won't be any cutting-edge DX9 cards.

:roll: