Last generation of DX9 cards?

[YoungGun21]

Are there anymore cards set to come out before DX10 is released? Will there be more DX9 cards even after DX10 is released?

Also, how much will the DX9 cards drop in price when DX10 hardware is released? Would it be enough to justify waiting for that price drop compared to ordering in the next week?

Just a few questions I have been wondering about...

 

[apoppin]

you might try consulting a fortuneteller . . . my crystal ball is cloudy.


. . . we can only speculate. Based on what happened with previous HW releases of next DX, the earlier Gen cards were still quite plentiful and manufacturers continued to make them even though they begin to phase them out over many months.

"would it be enough" can only be answered by 'you'. i dunno . . . is a possible $20 or $30 savings worth waiting a month or more to you?

depends on how badly you want to upgrade.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Prob the last. Doubt that They will come up with anything other than value version like a 7950GS or something like that or an x1790 Pro

 

[akshayt]

no, there won't be any more dx 9 cards AFAIG. except from this gen

 

[ebeattie]

well, what we should be asking is how long will it be untill we see quality games BASED off of DX10. My guess is about a 9months from Vista launch, maybe 6 months, but that could be pushing it. Im talking about a game on the level of HL, Doom, Farcry. When those games came out, GD were they awesome. Is it possible that developers have been workign hand in hand to have great games ready at DX10 launch a la console boxes? Maybe.

My bet? We dont see a game good enough for 6-9 months to justify a wait for DX10 hardware. which by what it sounds like, the first generation of cards are going to be impressive, but buggy as hell and draw WAYYYYYY to much power. By the time DX10 hardware matures to where its fast, powerful and not a power whore will be a year as well. Then again, if you only wish in the WHOLE FRIGGEN WORLD is to play games like Crysis the second they hit stres and have DX10 readiness.... I guess you could wait.

Is it upgrade time because DX10 is coming out, or is it upgrade time because you need to. THAT is the question...maybe.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: ebeattie
My bet? We dont see a game good enough for 2-3 years to justify a wait for DX10 hardware. which by what it sounds like, the first generation of cards are going to be impressive, but buggy as hell and draw WAYYYYYY to much power. By the time DX10 hardware matures to where its fast, powerful and not a power whore will be a year as well. Then again, if you only wish in the WHOLE FRIGGEN WORLD is to play games like Crysis the second they hit stres and have DX10 readiness.... I guess you could wait.

Is it upgrade time because DX10 is coming out, or is it upgrade time because you need to. THAT is the question...maybe.

Fixed. I agree for the most part, except that the upcoming DX10 capable cards will be judged by their DX9 performance. And regardless of DX10 performance, there is a good chance that these will outperform the current generation cards. (Think Radeon 9700 and DX8/DX9)

Edit: Definitely appopin :laugh:

 

[imported_RedStar]

" My guess is about a 9months from Vista launch, maybe 6 months, but that could be pushing it. Im talking about a game on the level of HL, Doom, Farcry"

you mention farcry and yet seem to be unaware of the progress of crysis.

http://pc.ign.com/objects/694/694190.html

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: RedStar
you mention farcry and yet seem to be unaware of the progress of crysis.

Which will be one of few games, if not the only game, to use DirectX 10 technology until this time next year.

 

[imported_RedStar]

Crysis, Halo 2, Unreal Tournament 2007, Age of Conan, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, Hellgate London, Shadowrun

are the ones confirmed so far. I do not know if that is a definitive list.

taken from:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1081630

 

[akshayt]

AFAIK UT07 is Dx 9, right?

 

[hardwareking]

I thought Halo 2 wasn't gonna be DX10.Or it might have an option to either run it in DX10 or DX9.
And how are opengl games gonna deal with vista?(right now it doesn't support it)

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
I thought Halo 2 wasn't gonna be DX10.Or it might have an option to either run it in DX10 or DX9.
And how are opengl games gonna deal with vista?(right now it doesn't support it)

ITs both. Opengl games will work very well under vista, according to more recent reports.

 

[chansigrilian]

shadowrun is going dx10? didn't know that.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ebeattie
well, what we should be asking is how long will it be untill we see quality games BASED off of DX10. My guess is about a 9months from Vista launch, maybe 6 months, but that could be pushing it. Im talking about a game on the level of HL, Doom, Farcry.. . . .

wrong. 2-3 years minimum for a quality full DX10 game . . . we're looking at '09. . . . not '07.
[and not a 'movie' game]

Crysis is a DX9 game with some 'optimizations' for DX10.

 

[BrentJ]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ebeattie
well, what we should be asking is how long will it be untill we see quality games BASED off of DX10. My guess is about a 9months from Vista launch, maybe 6 months, but that could be pushing it. Im talking about a game on the level of HL, Doom, Farcry.. . . .

wrong. 2-3 years minimum for a quality full DX10 game . . . we're looking at '09. . . . not '07.
[and not a 'movie' game]

Crysis is a DX9 game with some 'optimizations' for DX10.

Negative, Crysis will have two paths, a DX9 path you can run at when the game is shipped with DX9 hardware, and a complete DX10 path for when Vista and DX10 cards are out which will bring about a whole new experience in the game.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BrentJ

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ebeattie
well, what we should be asking is how long will it be untill we see quality games BASED off of DX10. My guess is about a 9months from Vista launch, maybe 6 months, but that could be pushing it. Im talking about a game on the level of HL, Doom, Farcry.. . . .

wrong. 2-3 years minimum for a quality full DX10 game . . . we're looking at '09. . . . not '07.
[and not a 'movie' game]

Crysis is a DX9 game with some 'optimizations' for DX10.

Negative, Crysis will have two paths, a DX9 path you can run at when the game is shipped with DX9 hardware, and a complete DX10 path for when Vista and DX10 cards are out which will bring about a whole new experience in the game.

100% WRONG
:thumbsdown:

CysisNOTdx10

Originally posted by: apoppin

Crysis is a DX9 game [period]. it will be released as a DX9c game

LATER . . . IF there is a "base" of DX10 players on DX10 HW - NEXT YEAR - DX10 extensions will be ADDED in a PATCH.

. . . just like FarCry with SM 3.0

lets go to the horses's mouth:

Crysis Exclusive Preview - Technology and the Hardware That You'll Need to Run the Game

quote:

Yerli: If there is no [DX10] hardware, you have to use the software emulation, and because of its performance, it's no pleasure to work with. On the other hand, buggy alpha hardware can be really painful. We cannot develop techniques solely for DX9 or DX10, so we implement, create, and tweak the level with DX9 and adjust the code afterwards for DX10

.

and

quote:

Yerli: Crysis will ship with features that are exclusive to DX10, however, ultimately we will develop more elegant solutions with time coming forward, since we have implementation ideas that at this stage would fight our DX9 implementation. Hence we will improve DX10 even more after Crysis ships through patches, but only if the DX10 hardware base is big enough to reduce focus on DX9. Probably a year will have to pass by.

Crysis is no "full Dx10 game"

edit: HOW do you guys get it exactly backwards?
:roll:

Crysis is a PURE dx9c game with 'optimizations' for DX10 . . . and LATER support for DX10 ADDED in patches . . . after a year.

LOL
[sadly]


i am ready for you guys this time and next . . . cut & paste my 'stock' response.

 

[BrentJ]

Crysis will ship with features that are exclusive to DX10, it says it right there. They can improve upon this even more through patches later on, but the game very much will ship with a DX10 path.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BrentJ
Crysis will ship with features that are exclusive to DX10, it says it right there. They can improve upon this even more through patches later on, but the game very much will ship with a DX10 path.

"features" does not a "full DX10 game" make . . . read the rest of the article if it is unclear to you.

And they MAY improve on the optimizations IF there is a big enough DX10 HW base. . .
. . . AFTER a year.

Me? . . . i will be getting the 2nd generation of DX10 cards . . .
. . . the first generation - possibly available before this Xmas - won't be able to play the new DX10 games when they are released in about 3 years.
:Q

 

[imported_RedStar]

apoppin: indeed i think the article you link to sums it up well:

"Crysis will help usher in a new wave of PC gaming with its DirectX 10 support, but it doesn't forget about today's gamers and their hardware"

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: RedStar
apoppin: indeed i think the article you link to sums it up well:

"Crysis will help usher in a new wave of PC gaming with its DirectX 10 support, but it doesn't forget about today's gamers and their hardware"

But, it still won't use all of DX10s features to their limit. However, I still think it should be considered a "DX10 game" Same was with Half-life 2, it had DX9 features but also had a DX8-DX6 I believe, codepath. That was considered a DX9 game.

 

[ebeattie]

Whatever the route the card makers and game developers take, the fact remains that when DX10 capable cards come out, there wont be any games that utilize it! Id recommend waiting untill we see DX10 games hit the market before we all rush to get one. I was going to use EVGA's step up program to grab the best DX10 card if it came out within the programs 90 days. but I have decided I would rather invest in a second 7950 GX2 (after i get my first one) and enjoy qual sli. Ill go DX10 when I buld my nextcomputer from the case up with all new components; about a year and a half from now. I know that Ill be playing nothing but BF2, BF2142 and NFS Carbon for the next year and a half, so that gives me plenty of time to see the new hardware develop and mature.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
apoppin: indeed i think the article you link to sums it up well:

"Crysis will help usher in a new wave of PC gaming with its DirectX 10 support, but it doesn't forget about today's gamers and their hardware"

"dx 10 support"


. . . optimizations for DX10. . . features exclusive to DX10. . .
it is a Far Cry from a full Dx10 game built from the ground up with DX10
[pun intended]

it is a fully DX9c game and Crysis Devs know their BASE will be 90% DX9 for at least the first year . . . AFTER that you may see something resembling a DX10 game . . . slowly . . . in patches.

. . . by THEN, i'll have a DX10 card.



there is NO WAY a DX10 game could be released until a couple of years after there is DX10 HW . . . there is no DX10 HW - yet . . . just beta HW . . . and a still unfinished DX10 spec.

it's really weird that you still hold onto your 'Crysis is DX10' fantasy
. . . wishful thinking, i guess.
:roll:

 

[imported_RedStar]

let's revisit this thread in 2 years ...shall we. lol

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
let's revisit this thread in 2 years ...shall we. lol

"search" will probably still be broken here.
:disgust:

ANYWAY, look at history. It took approximately 3 years to get Full DX9 games after the first DX9 HW and release of DX9 in Fall, '02.

Look at the early "Dx9 games". DX9 in DE:IW [Unreal Engine '03] looks very little like DX9 in today's modern titles and was an awful RESOURCE HOG due to bad optimization . . . 6 months later Thief - DS [same Unreal Engine '04] ran the DX9 pathway much better with improved lighting and shadows . . .
. . . some 'improved DX9' in late '04 [Hl2/Riddick/etc.] . . . and we finally got DX9's SM3.0 finally with FC - after it's '04 release - in patches.

Fall '02 to mid '05 . . .
. . . that's still 3 years and DX9 hasn't been full tapped - not even close.

and if you look at DX8's release it was the "same" . . . and DX7 before it . . . why should DX10 be any different?

edited

 

[ebeattie]

very good points. Now we'll have to see if our card manufacturers feel like designing new DX9 cards. Hopefully they wont snub DX9 like they did to AGP when PCIe hit the street.