Large teams of suicide bombers on their way?

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: dphantom
To the OPs post, my reading of this is it is most likely a propaganda piece from Al Queda. No doubt it is possible, but it is not that easy to cross a nation's borders and then plan and prepare operations in country.

I think that that is the official assessment by the US government as well.

Yet, how do we know which threats are real and which are made for TV?

I do know this, its far easier for them to get into Europe, they can almost walk there.

If it were a European target I would think France would be high on the list as they just went Conservative and it wasn't appreciated by many Muslims in France who took it as an bad change.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: techs
The real question is why is it so easy to GET here?
Gee, your Hero Bush has done nothing to secure the borders, done nothing to protect our food, chemical plants, etc.

I keep forgetting how much Bush is stopping the stampede the Democratic controlled Congress from acting....

Damn Techs, I know your blinded by your BDS but you give Bush too much credit. He is not some superhero able to thwart Democrats with a swipe of the pen.

Congress does nothing, the President does nothing, so why single out one over the other.

Darn near FIVE years with Congress in his pocket? Where was Georgie, on vacation? "Working hard, cutting brush".

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: techs
The real question is why is it so easy to GET here?
Gee, your Hero Bush has done nothing to secure the borders, done nothing to protect our food, chemical plants, etc.

Nor has any administration before him 🙂

Yes, that was a pre-911 world.

What's the current administration's excuse?

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Narmer
I don't, for the life of me, understand how people can call a suicide attack cowardly. Compared to sitting in a tank or high in the sky in a fighter plane or in some command center hundreds of miles away using a video-game looking device to kill, and getting paid, it is a far more honorable venture than others allow. I guess people need to channel their frustration by calling those who committ the ultimate sacrifice cowards.

I guess being a man nowadays is playing the stockmarket; playing with your ipod or xbox; and, when your wife isn't around, playing with yourself. Materialism FTW:roll:

It's cowardly in the sense that you are attacking without warning, and especially cowardly when you consider that many times it's purposfully directed towards innocent, unsuspecting civilians.

Playing devil's advocate for a minute, Al Qaeda ALWAYS warns citizens but they choose to ignore it. Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri give countless warnings but people go about their business. Therefore, how is it a surprise?

Furthermore, if you compare it to standing armies, how many people get warnings before the military bombs a school, building, or terrorist hideout? If they did, the baddies would get away.

In essence, there is zero difference. I do not consider them cowards. Worse, if you have so little respect for your enemies as to disregard them as cowards, then you are doing yourself a great disservice because you undermine their strength. One of the rules of war is to always respect your adversary.

And what do you call them when they use such tacticts against nonwestern targets such as mosques and open air markets?

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: dphantom
To the OPs post, my reading of this is it is most likely a propaganda piece from Al Queda. No doubt it is possible, but it is not that easy to cross a nation's borders and then plan and prepare operations in country.

I think that that is the official assessment by the US government as well.

Yet, how do we know which threats are real and which are made for TV?

I do know this, its far easier for them to get into Europe, they can almost walk there.

If it were a European target I would think France would be high on the list as they just went Conservative and it wasn't appreciated by many Muslims in France who took it as an bad change.

That's always the question, isn't it. Intel is the key, yet what so many on these forums forget is that Intel is all about "intentions" and separating good info from bad.

What the CIA, NSA and others do is set up teams of analysts who will anlayze the intel, develop possible meanings and intentions and then write recommendations. Done correctly, two different groups of analysts looking at the same data will often draw completely different conclusions.

So it becomes a matter of expert judgement to decide which is the truth of the matter. And becasue we are using judgement and experience to make a decision, sometimes we are wrong.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: techs
The real question is why is it so easy to GET here?
Gee, your Hero Bush has done nothing to secure the borders, done nothing to protect our food, chemical plants, etc.

Nor has any administration before him 🙂

Yes, that was a pre-911 world.

What's the current administration's excuse?

You make this comment as though the USA has never been attacked before...do we need a remidial course?

 

[Ferocious]

It's an absolute travesty that Al Queda attacked our great country, and nearly SIX years later is apparantly not only alive and well, but actually seem to be thriving.

Talk about having the wrong President at the wrong time in our history. :disgust:

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Shivetya
how is that as a burn?

I discounted its believability in my own post

its a blog entry on ABC, so take it for what thats worth... hopefully more sensationalism than anything else.

I suppose that I should not either of your two to comprehend that statement.


Does it hurt when you have to think? Does your village miss either of you? Normally I would not have expected a village to have two of you.

why do you post it then if its not according to you credible? is it.. maybe because its a troll bait?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
It's an absolute travesty that Al Queda attacked our great country, and nearly SIX years later is apparantly not only alive and well, but actually seem to be thriving.

Talk about having the wrong President at the wrong time in our history. :disgust:

Perhaps he should have done what prior presidents have done when AQ has deliberately attacked our country?

<crickets>

Gotta love hindsight eh?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ferocious
It's an absolute travesty that Al Queda attacked our great country, and nearly SIX years later is apparantly not only alive and well, but actually seem to be thriving.

Talk about having the wrong President at the wrong time in our history. :disgust:

Perhaps he should have done what prior presidents have done when AQ has deliberately attacked our country?

<crickets>

Gotta love hindsight eh?

Issue a warrant for their arrest, to be taken to trail by our court system? Oh, no, I forgot that's what the Dems want to do _after_ 9-11.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: techs
The real question is why is it so easy to GET here?
Gee, your Hero Bush has done nothing to secure the borders, done nothing to protect our food, chemical plants, etc.

Nor has any administration before him 🙂

I'm glad we have equally low expectations of our current White House monkey.

 

[imported_dna]

Ah, Narmer, so nice to see you showing your true colors. Nice application of moral equivalency as well....

It wouldn't be a leap of logic to say that by applying your reasoning Seung-Hui Cho also committed the ultimate sacrifice.

Keep on lambasting about materialism while the un-cowardly Al-Zawahiri and Bin-Laden get ready to marry their tenth wife; they've shown plenty guts by writing a cheque.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ferocious
It's an absolute travesty that Al Queda attacked our great country, and nearly SIX years later is apparantly not only alive and well, but actually seem to be thriving.

Talk about having the wrong President at the wrong time in our history. :disgust:

Perhaps he should have done what prior presidents have done when AQ has deliberately attacked our country?

<crickets>

Gotta love hindsight eh?

As opposed to accidentally attacking us? 😉

 

[IGBT]

..they already told us what they will do.


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All Things Considered, July 8, 2005 · Spain faced an attack similar to London in March, 2004, when nearly 200 people died after a series of train bombings. Security was increased afterwards, but Spanish officials say there is little that can be done to protect a public transport system.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe it's time to invade Afghanistan... that's where the vid comes from, right, and where the training camp is alleged to exist... wait, we already did invade, kinda... in a really half-assed way...

What we've done is created something for AlQ and the Taliban to push against, rather than stomping them flat... we've only created the kind of trials that make them stronger, as if we want them to continue, to be a threat...

The Bushistas need threats and enemies for their domestic agenda to work, keeping us distracted from the greatest transfer of wealth and power into the hands of a very wealthy few in the history of the world...

Better stock up on duct tape and plastic sheeting... you won't notice the man behind the curtain while cowering in your basement- he'll tell you when it's safe to come out into the brave new world.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: techs
The real question is why is it so easy to GET here?
Gee, your Hero Bush has done nothing to secure the borders, done nothing to protect our food, chemical plants, etc.

just out of curiosity, what have YOUR "heroes" done to secure the borders, protect our food, chemical plants, etc...?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I don't, for the life of me, understand how people can call a suicide attack cowardly. Compared to sitting in a tank or high in the sky in a fighter plane or in some command center hundreds of miles away using a video-game looking device to kill, and getting paid, it is a far more honorable venture than others allow. I guess people need to channel their frustration by calling those who committ the ultimate sacrifice cowards.

most real soldiers prefer to attack an enemy that is armed and could fight back. Intentionally targeting and slaughtering unarmed women and children is about the lowest act a human being can perform.

but you respect it!?

Suicide has always been a cowardly act. Perhaps you and your emo friends think it's the only path of righteousness, but the rest of the rational world would disagree... but hey, good luck on your journey!

I guess being a man nowadays is playing the stockmarket; playing with your ipod or xbox; and, when your wife isn't around, playing with yourself. Materialism FTW:roll:

my gawd, you must be the best man you know!

 

[StageLeft]

More nonsense, this is non-news.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
I don't, for the life of me, understand how people can call a suicide attack cowardly. Compared to sitting in a tank or high in the sky in a fighter plane or in some command center hundreds of miles away using a video-game looking device to kill, and getting paid, it is a far more honorable venture than others allow. I guess people need to channel their frustration by calling those who committ the ultimate sacrifice cowards.

most real soldiers prefer to attack an enemy that is armed and could fight back. Intentionally targeting and slaughtering unarmed women and children is about the lowest act a human being can perform.

but you respect it!?

Suicide has always been a cowardly act. Perhaps you and your emo friends think it's the only path of righteousness, but the rest of the rational world would disagree... but hey, good luck on your journey!

I guess being a man nowadays is playing the stockmarket; playing with your ipod or xbox; and, when your wife isn't around, playing with yourself. Materialism FTW:roll:

my gawd, you must be the best man you know!

Of course I respect them. Their strategy is two-fold: destabilize an area to make the occupier's life as miserable as possible. The other strategy is to fight the occupiers. It's just like our strategy in Iraq, except in reverse. And to add to that, most real fighters only attack soldiers.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
More nonsense, this is non-news.

Easy for you to say Skoorb---your Canadian remember---and Canada has done little to piss off Al-Quida---and I live in the USA---which right now makes me about ground zero. And right now I have to admit our President has done everything in his power to really piss them off. And specifically requested that they bring it on.

And unlike GWB&co. , I don't have that huge army guarding me or ready to whisk me away to that secret undisclosed location.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Skoorb
More nonsense, this is non-news.

Easy for you to say Skoorb---your Canadian remember---and Canada has done little to piss off Al-Quida---and I live in the USA---which right now makes me about ground zero. And right now I have to admit our President has done everything in his power to really piss them off. And specifically requested that they bring it on.

And unlike GWB&co. , I don't have that huge army guarding me or ready to whisk me away to that secret undisclosed location.

I live here, too. This "news" is really nothing unlike what we've heard continually, ad tedium, since 9/11. Although there will be another attack in the US between the next one minute and one millennium, we have been continually bombarded with this kind of news/event since 9/11 and nothing ever comes of it. I frankly was surprised they had to announce people coming; I assumed some where already here, but probably were too appathetic to do anything now.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Shivetya
how is that as a burn?

I discounted its believability in my own post

its a blog entry on ABC, so take it for what thats worth... hopefully more sensationalism than anything else.

I suppose that I should not either of your two to comprehend that statement.


Does it hurt when you have to think? Does your village miss either of you? Normally I would not have expected a village to have two of you.

why do you post it then if its not according to you credible? is it.. maybe because its a troll bait?

As usually another troll thread....

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer
And to add to that, most real fighters only attack soldiers.

exactly. tell that to the insurgents and terrorists who blow up markets at noon with absolutely no soldiers present.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
And to add to that, most real fighters only attack soldiers.

exactly. tell that to the insurgents and terrorists who blow up markets at noon with absolutely no soldiers present.

Have problems reading?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
And to add to that, most real fighters only attack soldiers.

exactly. tell that to the insurgents and terrorists who blow up markets at noon with absolutely no soldiers present.

Have problems reading?

go hug another suicide bomber.