LAPD officers kill man holding baby when he opens fire; baby dies

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
The police could have handled this much better. Whenever they make a mistake, they try to justify it somehow, but if a suspect made a mistake like this, it cannot be justified and they're going to jail.

The police screwed up and killed a hostage just to kill the hostage taker. Real good job.

The police were being shot at, and they did what they had to do. Even had you had police training, I seriously doubt you could have done any better. I'd like to see how you react if you or your coworker/buddy was just shot by that clown..

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

How many terrorists take Russian passenger planes hostage anymore?

A lot!

Russia gets terrorized by the Chechens all the time. Look it up.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Sucks that the baby died, but maybe hostagetakers would think twice if cops started saying fvck this and went for it...

But that kind of defeats the purpose of police intervention, doesn't it? If the police kill the hostages themselves, then what purpose did they serve?

How many terrorists take Russian passenger planes hostage anymore?

I don't know about Russian planes, but you do have a point there.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

I hate when losers become cops. If I was a police officer I would ACCEPT the fact that my life is on the line for innocent people. I would rather have taken a few bullets, and potentially have died, than have fired that close to a baby. That's why I'm NOT a cop. Too many people think being a cop is some job they do and go home to their familes. They're more interested in saving their own asses so they can go home to their families each night with minimal risk to themselves. Hey, go work as an admin assistant if that's what you want.

The guy shot at the cops. Fine, he needs to die ASAP. But how about everybody takes cover and we give one of those highly trained snipers a chance to do his job instead of panicing and letting loose a hail of bullets.

I'm usually sympathetic to the cops when it's a questionable call, but their actions in this case, unless there's more to it, are abhorrant to me.

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
Headshot? Not sure how the baby was held, but take out the dad with a headshot and the baby suffers only a minor injury. Fvck this 'neutralizing' bullshi!t.

You try for the headshot while he is shooting at you...

snipers

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Nitemare

How many terrorists take Russian passenger planes hostage anymore?

A lot!

Russia gets terrorized by the Chechens all the time. Look it up.

Have they commandeered a theater or school again?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Sucks that the baby died, but maybe hostagetakers would think twice if cops started saying fvck this and went for it...

But that kind of defeats the purpose of police intervention, doesn't it? If the police kill the hostages themselves, then what purpose did they serve?

How many terrorists take Russian passenger planes hostage anymore?

You do have a point there.

No he doesn't. He has no point there. It only proves that he doesn't keep track of international news.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I hate when losers become cops. If I was a police officer I would ACCEPT the fact that my life is on the line for innocent people. I would rather have taken a few bullets, and potentially have died, than have fired that close to a baby. That's why I'm NOT a cop. Too many people think being a cop is some job they do and go home to their familes. They're more interested in saving their own asses so they can go home to their families each night with minimal risk to themselves. Hey, go work as an admin assistant if that's what you want.

The guy shot at the cops. Fine, he needs to die ASAP. But how about everybody takes cover and we give one of those highly trained snipers a chance to do his job instead of panicing and letting loose a hail of bullets.

I'm usually sympathetic to the cops when it's a questionable call, but their actions in this case, unless there's more to it, are abhorrant to me.

Accidents happen. In this case, the baby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...of no fault of its own...but also of no fault of the cops.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Nitemare


Have they commandeered a theater or school again?

You tried to make it sound like Russia doesn't get terrorized because they deal with the terrorists harshly. You were dead wrong.

Russia gets terrorized very often by the Chechens. They strike whenever they can.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Sucks that the baby died, but maybe hostagetakers would think twice if cops started saying fvck this and went for it...

But that kind of defeats the purpose of police intervention, doesn't it? If the police kill the hostages themselves, then what purpose did they serve?

They father was a danger to society, not just his daughter, who he happened to pick up as a shield.

He shot at neighbors and cops too, guess they weren't protecting the neighborhood, or the neighbors. Would you want to live next to him if he's drunk, on drugs, and shooting at random people? No.

You're being very short-sighted here with a quip remark about thier purpose.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Accidents happen. In this case, the baby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...of no fault of its own...but also of no fault of the cops.

The bullet that killed the baby was fired from a cop's gun. Therefore you can't say that it's no fault of the cops. Sure, the cops were put in a bad situation, but they handled it poorly.

 

[habib89]

man, that sucks.. but i thought they never shoot at someone that has a hostage.. i guess he was shooting at them first.. i don't blame them for shooting, but it definatly sucks to be them....

i don't see why they couldn't have shot the dude in the face though.. i mean sure, he's shooting in one direction.. but what about the cop that's at the other direction? he coulda taken time to pop the dude in the head.. but i guess in the heat of action, you can't just do that... just sucks.. fvcked up "dad" if he would use his kid as a shield though..

 

[thelanx]

This morning I heard on the radio that the baby was killed and that police thought the father shot the girl before getting shot himself...or so the police say. Hmm, I think there could have a better way of resolving this. There never should have been a third exchange, and even the second exchange could probably have been avoided if police did the smart thing and moved EVERYONE, including themselves, further from the scene. Then have specially trained swat teams and/or snipers + hostage negotiators to handle the problem, instead of sticking around and incurring two additional exchanges of fire, thereby drastically increasing the danger for everyone, including officers and the hostage.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I hate when losers become cops. If I was a police officer I would ACCEPT the fact that my life is on the line for innocent people. I would rather have taken a few bullets, and potentially have died, than have fired that close to a baby. That's why I'm NOT a cop. Too many people think being a cop is some job they do and go home to their familes. They're more interested in saving their own asses so they can go home to their families each night with minimal risk to themselves. Hey, go work as an admin assistant if that's what you want.

The guy shot at the cops. Fine, he needs to die ASAP. But how about everybody takes cover and we give one of those highly trained snipers a chance to do his job instead of panicing and letting loose a hail of bullets.

I'm usually sympathetic to the cops when it's a questionable call, but their actions in this case, unless there's more to it, are abhorrant to me.

Accepting a job in law enforcement does not make your family any less important than anyone else's. Nor does it make your life any less important.

To argue otherwise is simply asinine.

Viper GTS

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: akubi

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
Headshot? Not sure how the baby was held, but take out the dad with a headshot and the baby suffers only a minor injury. Fvck this 'neutralizing' bullshi!t.

You try for the headshot while he is shooting at you...

snipers

How do you know there was even a spot for a sniper to post up? If it's in some neighborhood it's not like a sharpshooter can run to the nearest skyscraper and get on the roof. And if you're too close, a scoped rifle is going to about as difficult to use when going for a headshot as a handgun is.

As far as the cops are concerned, sounds like a clean shoot to me.

 

[skace]

The retard used his own family as a bullet shield and it worked with great success. What more needs to be said? The gene pool got chlorinated.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: NFS4

Accidents happen. In this case, the baby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...of no fault of its own...but also of no fault of the cops.

The bullet that killed the baby was fired from a cop's gun. Therefore you can't say that it's no fault of the cops. Sure, the cops were put in a bad situation, but they handled it poorly.

How would you have handled it? Remember that the father is mentally unstable, is currently highly intoxicated, and has already fired shots at police officers and people they were trying to rescue.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
Headshot? Not sure how the baby was held, but take out the dad with a headshot and the baby suffers only a minor injury. Fvck this 'neutralizing' bullshi!t.

This isn't counterstrike.

Edit: I should read further into the thread. Comment already made.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: thelanx
This morning I heard on the radio that the baby was killed and that police thought the father shot the girl before getting shot himself...or so the police say. Hmm, I think there could have a better way of resolving this. There never should have been a third exchange, and even the second exchange could probably have been avoided if police did the smart thing and moved EVERYONE, including themselves, further from the scene. Then have specially trained swat teams and/or snipers + hostage negotiators to handle the problem, instead of sticking around and incurring two additional exchanges of fire, thereby drastically increasing the danger for everyone, including officers and the hostage.

Did you read the part in the article where they tried to evacuate a neighbor and got shot at?

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: emmpee

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
Headshot? Not sure how the baby was held, but take out the dad with a headshot and the baby suffers only a minor injury. Fvck this 'neutralizing' bullshi!t.

This isn't Counterstrike, it's not that easy. Let's see you try and line up a headshot while a moving suspect is firing wildly at you.

A sniper wouldn't be the one fired upon because SWAT snipers are suppose to be taking positions far enough back to not be seen by the suspect. A sniper seen is a BAD sniper. Their job is to find a clearn line of sight so that when they look down a scope they can get the best shot possible on a suspect WITHOUT being seen by that suspect. A SWAT sniper should have been used to pull the trigger.. not a party full of cops tossing out slugs like candy at Halloween.

Yes the man fired upon them. Several times earlier. Its not clear WHO fired first during the final altercation, which always sends my radar off. They know he was first to fire on the previous 2 gunfights but now on the third it's a bit "unclear."

However, they do have the right to take his a$$ down for firing at anyone, despite the hostage. BUT was it a clear case of homicidal mania where the man was beyond all reason and it was an instant reaction to kill or be killed? Doesn't look like it. They had plenty of time for a SWAT sniper to b set up in a position for a clean kill based on the timeline and the fact SWAT had come out at all. While I KNOW the cops were justified in killing the man, they still screwed the pooch on procedure when it comes to minimizing collateral damage. Which is the issue here. Did the cops do everything in their power to protect the infant? I'm no judge either way but my opinion is NO.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I hate when losers become cops. If I was a police officer I would ACCEPT the fact that my life is on the line for innocent people. I would rather have taken a few bullets, and potentially have died, than have fired that close to a baby. That's why I'm NOT a cop. Too many people think being a cop is some job they do and go home to their familes. They're more interested in saving their own asses so they can go home to their families each night with minimal risk to themselves. Hey, go work as an admin assistant if that's what you want.

The guy shot at the cops. Fine, he needs to die ASAP. But how about everybody takes cover and we give one of those highly trained snipers a chance to do his job instead of panicing and letting loose a hail of bullets.

I'm usually sympathetic to the cops when it's a questionable call, but their actions in this case, unless there's more to it, are abhorrant to me.

Easy to talk big from the keyboard.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BigJ

How would you have handled it? Remember that the father is mentally unstable, is currently highly intoxicated, and has already fired shots at police officers and people they were trying to rescue.

Not being there, it's hard to say how I WOULD have handled it, but needless to say, I can tell you how I WOULDN'T have handled it. I wouldn't have shot where the baby is. Try shooting for the head or legs. They're lower percentage shots than a body shot, but you wouldn't be risking the hostage as much. To make myself clear, I have no problem with the cops killing the guy who fired at them, my problem is that they were so eager to do it that they killed an innocent hostage in the process.

Look, this isn't the first episode with LAPD acting in a poor manner. They are well known for being trigger happy. That's why there's a constant stream of news pouring from LA regarding police behavior.

 

[OrByte]

Im with HeroOfPellinor. If the COPs were doing their job so well they would have taken bullets, let the man empty out his pistol and rifle, and basically do more in an effort to save the baby.

Even the statements of the officers make it sound like they just shrugged it off.

then again, none of us were there at the scene so it is easy to monday morning quarterback.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What kind of piece of sh!t uses a baby as a human shield? Especially his own daughter? 🙁

The only consolation I have is that the fvcker is dead...

for the baby girl...🙁

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: BigJ

How would you have handled it? Remember that the father is mentally unstable, is currently highly intoxicated, and has already fired shots at police officers and people they were trying to rescue.

Not being there, it's hard to say how I WOULD have handled it, but needless to say, I can tell you how I WOULDN'T have handled it. I wouldn't have shot where the baby is. Try shooting for the head or legs. They're lower percentage shots than a body shot, but you wouldn't be risking the hostage as much.

Look, this isn't the first episode with LAPD acting in a poor manner. They are well known for being trigger happy. That's why there's a constant stream of news pouring from LA regarding police behavior.

So you're an expert marksman where if you aim for the legs or head, the bullets will always fly true, and never hit any other part of the body, including the torso? You can also do this when you're taking fire, and your adrenaline is off the wall?