Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

[Dari]

What are you trying to say? He escaped the first attack by driving over one of the guys that was stopped in front of him (deliberately trapping him). While he was being pursued, there was another minor encounter that he was able to drive away from. He drove and got stuck in traffic, and was attacked again. This time, they managed to extract him from the vehicle and they beat him...brutally.

Indeed they did. Indeed.

I'm trying to say that, contrary to the herd belief here, Lien did not stop because of a flat tire. He stopped because of traffic. Again, my focus is on the initial events. I'm not interested in the event at the first light where someone managed to open his door. If they slashed his tires there then I suppose they did...

 

[Dari]

YES. It happened. The bikers even say it happened.

So you saw it in the video? If not, what source did you see read it in?

 

[Ichinisan]

Indeed they did. Indeed.

I'm trying to say that, contrary to the herd belief here, Lien did not stop because of a flat tire. He stopped because of traffic. Again, my focus is on the initial events. I'm not interested in the event at the first light where someone managed to open his door. If they slashed his tires there then I suppose they did...

He didn't let the flat tire stop him from driving over that biker and running for his life, so NO ONE EVER IMPLIED THAT THE FLAT TIRE WAS THE REASON HE STOPPED. He ran into traffic and couldn't drive any further.

 

[Ichinisan]

YES. It happened. The bikers even say it happened. Through the entire pursuit, the SUV's front passenger-side tire was slashed. Pieces flew off. There was nothing left but rim when he was dragged from his SUV and beaten. FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

In case you are on 25 posts per-page and missed this, Dari...

 

[Ichinisan]

so you saw it in the video? If not, what source did you see read it in?

every. Single. God. Damn. Source.

 

[Svnla]

I'm primarily talking about the initial incident. The incident when Lien bumps the biker. When he stopped I did not notice anyone slashing his tires. Did you?

If you want to debate, at least learn something about the case first. Here is what the NYPD said = http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35596169&postcount=939

Fuck all that. Those men are being hunted because of what they did AFTER the events of which I'm talking about.

Cruze (the one that started the whole thing) is being charged with felonies even he DID not join in the 2nd attack which make you look like a fool.

Again, several bikers are being charged with multiple felonies along with Cruze.

Oh, did you know that eyewitnesses said the bikers tried to pull the wife and the 2 years old kid out and attacked them after they were done with Lien? Of course, you did not. Color me shock.

I want to know which jury will side with that kind of behavior. Perfect defense for Lien's "I was afraid for my life and my wife and kid safety".

 

[Dari]

He didn't let the flat tire stop him from driving over that biker and running for his life, so NO ONE EVER IMPLIED THAT THE FLAT TIRE WAS THE REASON HE STOPPED. He ran into traffic and couldn't drive any further.

I'm too lazy to go back but I remember reading here that many said he stopped because of flat tires.

 

[Ichinisan]

I'm too lazy to go back but I remember reading here that many said he stopped because of flat tires.

No. That's fucking stupid. You don't let yourself get beaten or killed because you're afraid to drive on rims. You just don't.

 

[Dari]

If you want to debate, at least learn something about the case first. Here is what the NYPD said = http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35596169&postcount=939

What? That's the government's story. There's the defendants' story as well. Ichinisan said that the bikers admitted to slashing his tires. If they did then I guess they did...

 

[Dari]

No. That's fucking stupid. You don't let yourself get beaten or killed because you're afraid to drive on rims. You just don't.

Well, to be fair to those posters, their posts were early on so nothing was set in stone.

Again, I'll reiterate. Lien and his family were in a precarious situation. But he contributed to it with his actions. Whatever you do, always be aware of your surroundings and act accordingly. Some things are not worth it.

Damn, I feel like playing Road Rash.

 

[TerryMathews]

I wonder how much this is going to cost Alexa Lien in court and settlement costs...

$500k?

Over $1m?

Will his insurance pay or will they fuck him. Was all it all worth potentially losing all that money and getting his ass kicked? Me thinks not.

$0.

The biker would have to show that a Lien acted improperly, which would be difficult to do considering the video evidence.

New York also has some variation of Castle Doctrine allowing for "reasonable force". Combine that with the lower standard in a civil lawsuit and he should be good.

I can't wait for his insurance company to sue the bikers for damages to his SUV and his medical expenses.

 

[Ichinisan]

http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/biker-cop-in-beatdown-could-be-busted-as-early-as-tonight/

From a commenter on the NY Post article, time frame of the video:

Here is what the original video shows when you play it frame by frame.... It shows their intent to commit damage to the car, so they get money or insurance, or just to cause terror.

The biker that got bumped at the beginning, Christopher Cruz, did not go down and was not hurt at all at that point...
At :24 all 5 lead bikers are in front of SUV and braking, including Cruz....
At :26 bump happens...
At :29 Cruz is still on his bike in full control and is stopping (after bump), SUV is also completely stopping...
At :36 Cruz gets off bike and walks toward SUV...
At :37 Jeremiah Mieses (the dude in coma) gets off bike and walks in front of SUV...
At :40 Christopher Cruz has already walked up and is viciously yanking on driver door...
At :47, another biker in white long-sleeve shirt and black helmet has walked up and is at front right tire area with something in his right hand...
At :47 Cruz is still at the drivers door and Mieses in standing in frontof SUV...
At :48 Cruz leans in and is still trying to open driver's door...
At :49 Biker with white long-sleeve shirt and black helmet steps back for 1 second and then lunges forward with right hand...
At :50 tire is spiked and you hear loud pssshhhhh sound (the sound of air rushing out of a knifed tire) and what sounds like a female shriek and the driver takes off at the same time...
At :50.5, Tire spiker is already moving backwards from tire stabbing motion and continues to jump back to avoid getting run over... Cruz is also out of harms way since he is still trying to open the driver door...
At :51 Mieses is run over along with bikes parked in front of SUV...
At :53, tire spiker is standing, looking down at Mieses who is face down on pavement...SUV speeds off and chase ensues...
At 3:00, you can see part of the spiked tire fly off after driving on a flat... and camera guy signals for bikers to watch out for debris... SUV driver continues to drive with remains of right front tire...
At 4:00, SUV exits highway...
At: 4:45 bikers block off road ahead, stopping a white ford SUV, and surround Range Rover SUV again...
At 5:02 white ford SUV goes around bikers and black guy with chrome helmet stops his blue dirt bike directly in front of Range Rover SUV...
At 5:06 chubby biker with grey backpack, black leather jacket and white helmet runs and yanks open driver's door...
At 5:07 SUV driver sees opening left by white SUV and guns it... knocking over chrome helmet blue dirt bike guy... chase continues...
At 6:14, SUV is trapped again because of traffic and bikers descend onceagain...
At 6:16, black guy with chrome helmet and black jacket, throws down his blue dirt bike and proceeds to bust driver window with helmet...
At 6:21, black guy with brown t-shirt, grey vest, and white helmet, Allen Edwards, begins punching on back window...

At 6:26, uploaded video footage ends...If you look at the passenger side pictures from the very end where he is pulled out of his SUV and beaten... you see a bare rim on the front right, no tire at all...
It's obvious the thugs knifed his right front tire at the very beginning...

Quoted for Dari. (bold emphasis added by me)

 

[GagHalfrunt]

You must be either retarded or slow if you didn't know that California's slimiest lawyer is in our fair city representing the biker who was crushed by Lien. Lien should have never been following so closely. Never. You never get that close to motorcycles on city streets let alone on the highway.

I'm officially going with blind, stoned AND stupid.

Following closely? ROFLMAO, even by ATOT standards you're ungodly ignorant. He got cut off and intentionally brake-checked and if all you can muster as an argument is that the SUV was following closely you're just making an even bigger fool of yourself than usual. And that takes some doing.

Allred showed up in NYC to get free TV time. There is no WAY she's actually going to represent a career criminal who got hurt when he intentionally boxed in and attempted to cut off a man being attacked by the criminals gang. She picks cases she knows she can win, she'll make some statements, pretend to be relevant and then slip away back to her sewer without stepping foot into a courtroom on this animals behalf.

 

[Svnla]

What? That's the government's story. There's the defendants' story as well. Ichinisan said that the bikers admitted to slashing his tires. If they did then I guess they did...

Well, then you need to provide links/sources to prove otherwise. I have been reading about this case a lot and so far, I have NOT seen anything to prove that Lien was in anyway in the wrong but the bikers. Not one reliable news source said otherwise.

Feel free to provide links/sources/articles/etc. to show that Lien was not attacked after the first stop and he was acting restless/dangerous and not in self defense.

 

[Dari]

I'm officially going with blind, stoned AND stupid.

Following closely? ROFLMAO, even by ATOT standards you're ungodly ignorant. He got cut off and intentionally brake-checked and if all you can muster as an argument is that the SUV was following closely you're just making an even bigger fool of yourself than usual. And that takes some doing.

Allred showed up in NYC to get free TV time. There is no WAY she's actually going to represent a career criminal who got hurt when he intentionally boxed in and attempted to cut off a man being attacked by the criminals gang.

See what you want, moron, but the video clearly shows the biker riding parallel with Lien in Lien's lane. It clearly shows that he's trying to communicate. I don't know what else to tell you. Should I say this in a different language?

 

[Dari]

Well, then you need to provide links/sources to prove otherwise. I have been reading about this case a lot and so far, I have NOT seen anything to prove that Lien was in anyway in the wrong but the bikers.

Feel free to provide links/sources/articles/etc. to show that Lien was not attacked after the first stop and he was acting restless and not in self defense.

I cannot prove a negative...

 

[TerryMathews]

Isn't it weird how Spatial stopped posting as soon as Dari was back from vacation?

 

[Dari]

Quoted for Dari. (bold emphasis added by me)

Ok, that's some fantastic writing right there. This is a go pro with stereo sound on a HIGHWAY with MOTORCYCLES. and the person with the go pro is like 20-30 feet from the action, at least. You're telling me he can pick up all that audio? Doubtful...

 

[Svnla]

I cannot prove a negative...

Then why you are continuing to blame the victim? I, Ichinisan, and other posters have many links and sources from various news outlets (not just one or two) to show the bikers were in the wrong. You have nothing but keep blaming Lien. That's what I do not understand, especially the "Lien was followed too close to the first biker" even that bastard was the one that jumped onto Lien's lane, not the other way around.

 

[Dari]

Isn't it weird how Spatial stopped posting as soon as Dari was back from vacation?

Isn't it weird how I cursed out Spatial in the beginning of this story when he attacked cyclists?

 

[Dari]

Then why you are continuing to blame the victim? I, Ichinisan, and other posters have many links and sources from various news outlets (not just one or two) to show the bikers were in the wrong. You have nothing but keep blaming Lien. That's what I do not understand.

You have a wide scope. I chose a narrow one and what you were asking of me was stupid. To show that Lien was not attacked? Come on.

 

[SSSnail]

Dari, you're officially the dumbest fucker on the internet, and I've seen ALL the dumb fucks on the internet.

 

[Svnla]

You have a wide scope. I chose a narrow one and what you were asking of me was stupid. To show that Lien was not attacked? Come on.

I was talking about the first stop, NOT about the second. Lien was attacked at the first stop, right after Cruze stopped in front of him. The bikers slashed his tire, bashed his SUV and tried to open the doors to get in. That's why he was afraid for his life and his family safety. That's why he had not choice to to get away from them.

Do you get it now? Do you understand how ridiculous your previous statements were?

Let review:

Cruzed stopped his bike to start the whole thing. ====> being charged with several felonies for doing so

Lien SUV hit the bike and stopped. (FIRST STOP)

Bikers attacked Lien's SUV and he was afraid for his life/family.

Lien ran over the bikers that surround him all around because he had no other choice.

Lien stucked at traffic and the bikers pulled him out and attacked him and tried to attack his wife and kid. (SECOND STOP). ======> bikers being charged with felonies for attacked Lien.

Do you get it now? Do you understand how others posters do not understand your "blame the victim" statements?

 

[Dari]

Dari, you're officially the dumbest fucker on the internet, and I've seen ALL the dumb fucks on the internet.

If it makes you feel better about yourself to say that, keep going. Don't hold back.

I was talking about the first stop, NOT about the second. Lien was attacked at the first stop, right after Cruze stopped in front of him. The bikers slashed his tire, bashed his SUV and tried to open the doors to get in. That's why he was afraid for his life and his family safety. That's why he had not choice to to get away from them.

Do you get it now? Do you understand how ridiculous your previous statements were?

Let review:

Cruzed stopped his bike to start the whole thing.
Lien SUV hit the bike and stopped. (FIRST STOP)
Bikers attacked Lien and he was afraid for his life/family.
Lien ran over the bikers that surround him all around.
Lien stucked at the next traffic and the bikers pulled him out and attacked him and tried to attack his wife and kid. (SECOND STOP).

Do you get it now?

Cute synopsis but you're wrong on many levels. Let's start with the fact that there were 3 STOPS....

 

[Svnla]

Cute synopsis but you're wrong on many levels. Let's start with the fact that there were 3 STOPS....

I did skip the other stop because one of the bikers tried to open the door and it did open very briefly but could not get in, Lien SUV was not hit/his SUV was not blocked in as Stop #1 and none of the bikers were being hit (insignificant for the case IMO).

Now feel free to point what did I type that was wrong?